Episode 71
Aumatma Shah-Simmons, ND:Dr. Aumatma on Autoimmunity and Fertility
Aumatma Shah-Simmons, ND:
Dr. Aumatma on Autoimmunity and Fertility
This week we are talking about supporting fertility with autoimmunity to create the family you desire. My friend Dr. Aumatma joins us as we dig into addressing root causes of autoimmunity to support fertility holistically.
First Aired on: Jan 23, 2023
Episode 71
Aumatma Shah-Simmons, ND:Dr. Aumatma on Autoimmunity and Fertility
Aumatma Shah-Simmons, ND:
Dr. Aumatma on Autoimmunity and Fertility
This week we are talking about supporting fertility with autoimmunity to create the family you desire. My friend Dr. Aumatma joins us as we dig into addressing root causes of autoimmunity to support fertility holistically.
First Aired on: Jan 23, 2023
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Dr. Aumatma Shah-Simmons is a naturopathic doctor and fertility expert who specializes in helping couples conceive healthy babies through evidence-based holistic approaches. She is passionate about empowering women to listen to their intuition and use research-driven methods to support their fertility journey holistically.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons learned about Fertility and Autoimmune through her experience and research.
She found that there are many myths about fertility and talks about the importance of tuning into one's intuition and listening to one's body.She recommends the Autoimmune Protocol Diet (AIP) as a starting point for reducing inflammation and getting to the root cause of autoimmune conditions.
She also emphasizes the importance of removing toxins from the body to ensure a healthy pregnancy.
In this episode, you will learn:
1. How can tuning into your intuition help you make decisions about having children?
Dr. Aumatma shares her story of waking to realize that she didn't want children with the man she was married to...but she did want children. She started taking steps to preserve and support her fertility, and got divorced. Through that part of her journey, she realized that there are still many myths around women's fertility that need debunking.Dr. Aumatma had a nine month journey in that rabbit hole.
Most things in her life have had a three-trimester cycle.
2. How does Western medicine approach fertility and how does it differ from more holistic approaches?
Western medicine tends to treat autoimmune patients with steroids and medications to improve outcomes. It never treats the drivers of the autoimmune or fertility challenges at the root cause level.Testing is limited until after a woman has had three miscarriages.
Typically only the mother's health is considered unless there are already fertility issues.
3. What are the root causes of autoimmune conditions and how can they affect fertility?
Dr. Aumatma takes the same approach to identifying the drivers of autoimmunity, no matter the diagnosis.- Identifying inflammatory foods and reducing toxins is always key.
- Managing stressors - metabolic and external - is essential!
- The health of the men is as important and impactful on fertility outcomes as the health of the women working with Aumatma.
- Testing up front can save a lot of heartache down the road.
Dr. Aumatma's 1 thing:
Reduce your toxic burden, step by step.
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Episode Transcript
Julie Michelson: [00:00:00] Welcome back to The Inspired Living with Autoimmunity podcast. I'm your host, Julie Michaelson, and today we're joined by Dr. Aumatma, the holistic fertility doctor. Dr. Aumatma supports badass power couples to create the family of their dreams, and she also trains doctors who wanna specialize in fertility. In today's conversation, we discuss optimizing conception and [00:01:00] pregnancy when you have autoimmunity.
Dr. Ramma gives us simple steps to take and tests to consider to improve outcomes, and even if you aren't planning on having a baby anytime soon, our conversation will help you up level your health.
Dr. Aumatma, welcome to the podcast.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Thank you so much for having me, Julie. I'm excited to be here.
Julie Michelson: am so excited as well. I love your work. I love your podcast, and I know listeners are gonna get so much value out of this. So let's dig in for those that are unfamiliar, you know, how did you get to be this fertility expert?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: It's actually a funny story because I started as a naturopathic doctor. I was already in practice for quite some time, and it was. I kind of woke up married to this person that I had chosen to marry, [00:02:00] and he started talking about having children. And it was the first time that I had even thought of it, like it was just not on my radar at all.
And I was like, oh crap, you're right. Like we should probably be thinking about this and then, I realized my intuition, my uterus, literally everything in my body was like, no. And I was like, what is it him? Is it a no period? Like what are we doing here? And I went kind of into A nine month rabbit hole of what?
Like kind of tuning in and trying to figure out was it that I never wanted to have kids or was it that I didn't wanna have them with him? And what I realized was it was him that I didn't wanna have kids with him. But it brought up for me this desire of like, actually I really wanna have a child, and if not with [00:03:00] him, then what am I doing?
Like why am I married to him? So it kind of led to a divorce, unfortunately. But that process of like exploring, because what I remembered from medical school was literally. Your, your fertility's good till 35 and after that it drops off of a cliff and good luck for you. And I was like, well, 35 is pretty close, so what are we doing?
So I kind of went down the ra re research rabbit hole and, and realized that a lot of what we have, Talked about and told, and ta even taught in medical school is based on a lot of myths that are not proven. And as I started talking to people about them people like women kept coming up to me and we were like, Hey, you can help me with my fertility.
And I was like, no, we're just talking mitz. And . It, it kind of. Evolved to the point where it is now, like almost every [00:04:00] single one of our clients is a fertility client. And it's become my passion because I feel like there is so little there is so much evidence and there's so much evidence based support that we could offer women, but in reality, that's not what, what's happening most of the time.
So, I really have tried to walk this line of like, we wanna support women, we wanna support couples to have healthy babies, but we also wanna do it in the context of research driven and as holistic as we can possibly get. So not like an anti-western medicine, but how do we integrate, how do we make this work the best for the couple?
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Which is amazing. Oh my gosh. I lo and I love your story. I have three kids, they're adults and we just recently had this conversation of, you know, I don't know how to get them to understand, but when we're [00:05:00] talking about choosing a mate, if you want to have a family or you think you may wanna have a family, like that should be a criteria of like, this is a person, like, I have to have babies with you.
Right? Like and so I, I just wanna like, touch on a, like how brilliant you are and, and all the time I'm talking with my clients and on the podcast about tuning in, right? Tapping into our intuition, listening to our bodies. You were like, I don't know if it was my uterus or what, you know what part of me, right?
But clearly you were getting the signals. Something isn't right here to reproduce right now with this, in this situation. And so I love that because that is, it's so important for all of us, and I know that's not what we're gonna get into today, but
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: totally fine. I feel like the intuition piece is just so important cuz even clients that wanna work [00:06:00] with us, I'm like, I'm not here to sell you on working with us. Like go tune into your intuition and see if it's the right fit and if it is, you're pretty much guaranteed to get pregnant.
But if it's not like you're forcing something that's not tangibly there for you, then maybe don't do this
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, and to, to touch on the lack of science in all of those myths, right? Because if you think about, You know, studies weren't done with women, so all of this quote unquote medical data wasn't really data , you
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Mm-hmm.
Julie Michelson: But, but I do love, and I had, this is the last, then we're gonna move forward, I promise.
But I love that your rabbit hole. I, I still wanted to say, was it nine months or was it 40 weeks? Which, which
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: It's pretty much like,
Julie Michelson: you
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: really interesting is when I look back at my life, every [00:07:00] single thing that I have done has been in like the three trimester type energy. It's like really bizarre. Like the big stuff in my life happens over a nine month period. It's like, It has to gest date, it has to grow, it has to like, and then it's like birthed into the world.
It's really bizarre, but I feel like that's a really natural process that we often are like trying to rush things or we're like, oh no, I need to get this out of the door right now. But in reality, like. Are, are phases. The way that even I and I teach this to practitioners is like the way your business is going to be birth is going to be the same way that you grow a human in your body and then birth it.
And that birthing process might be painful,
Julie Michelson: Often
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: it needs to have like fully
Julie Michelson: beautiful thing, but yeah, [00:08:00] I love that. And, and share with listeners as, so did you miss your window? Was it too late for you to
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: No, I ended up, so I preserved, quote unquote, preserve my fertility. I did all of the things that I figured out to do for other women, and I did them for years actually. And then finally met my now husband. We even dated for like four years before we decided to have a child and. Yeah, and I was 38 when I had my, my little one.
So it, it's, yeah. I feel like, you know, it is, it is possible that we choose what it is that we. Do and like who we reproduce with. And and if it's like the, the right time or not the right time. Like there's so many women out there that are asking these questions and I feel like the, the go-to answer is, well freeze your eggs [00:09:00] and don't worry about it.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if that works actually. . So
Julie Michelson: might not be option number one, like, let's not
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: yeah.
Julie Michelson: That's amazing. So I am guessing that at least a good number of the couples that come to you. One and at least one of them if, and we'll kind of focus on mom, but it, it actually, it could be either way.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah.
Julie Michelson: have, have autoimmunity or, you know, inflammatory issues.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Yeah. Like a very large percentage of them. If we include like generalized inflammation, that's a big percentage of the population that does not know they're, they even have inflammation.
Julie Michelson: Well, I, I look at that as like the beginning of the spectrum, right? Like I, I really so, you know, so somebody shows up and. You know, they're like, we want, you know, we're ready. This is the time we wanna have our family. [00:10:00] And I have, I'll throw Hashimotos out just because I know there's, there's such a, but pit any, I don't know that it matters.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. All autoimmune conditions tend to have the same issue, which is it's gonna be harder to get pregnant and harder to stay pregnant and. Because the, so what's interesting to me is with Hashimotos or with even like Crohn's disease or lupus, there are a lot of antibodies that are floating around in the system and.
It's bad enough that the antibodies are confused and attacking your thyroid, for example, but the same antibodies are then going to potentially attack the embryo that is forming and growing within you. And it's, that shift [00:11:00] is is hard for a lot of people because that's gonna lead to a pregnancy loss and like, The way to prevent it is to get at the root right, so Hashimotos and even like dial that back and like, how did that happen?
how? Why do you have Hashimotos? So really kind of dialing it in and getting at the root of the autoimmune will support a healthier pregnancy.
Julie Michelson: I love that.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I think a lot of times in Western medicine, the standard of care is like, oh, we're just gonna put you on Prednisone, . That's our solution. And. And that is okay if that, if you're like already pregnant and that's your last case, you know, like let's try to do what we can.
But if you know that that is the case, then you really have to question whether Prednisone is the best approach. And I have, I just talked to someone this week [00:12:00] who actually has been on. Cycling, prednisone, . So basically like as soon as she ovulates, they put her on Prednisone for two weeks and then she gets off of it for two weeks and then she's back on for two weeks and off of it.
And I'm like, and how's that working out? And she's like, I feel crazy like all the time.
Julie Michelson: do you see my eyes? I'm like, no. I, I, when I. In the decline part of my health journey. My, my kids, I'd like to think I was a very calm, I'm not a yeller, very mellow person. Prednisone in my family is called Mean Mommy Medicine, , because I had no patience. My kids were young, so like that's why I, by the look on my face, I can't imagine.
And, and it has a time and a place, you know, to, to manage. To manage symptoms. But like you said, you know, if, if you're managing, [00:13:00] so, so for listeners that are in a place where they're either already trying to conceive, you know, and, and carry to term or they're like, okay, you know, I know within the next couple of years but they haven't.
Started to get to the root cause of what's going on with their autoimmunity, what are their drivers? It sounds like No, no, that's the place to start, which of course makes me so happy because this is what I want everybody to be doing anyway. trying to conceive or not right?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah, absolutely. Look,
Julie Michelson: just turn this process around.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Yeah. And it's, and I think a lot of times it's frustrating because doctors will literally say, well, if you have antibodies to your thyroid, there's nothing you can do about it anyway, so just leave it alone. And to me, I'm like, what? You know
Julie Michelson: turn off. Make them stop
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I have, I have, [00:14:00] I have one patient who I've had, I've been working with her for almost 10 years.
She's not trying to get pregnant. She's a super young woman. She's actually like working on preserving her fertility and wants to get pregnant in the next few years now, but, So 10 years. This woman first walked into, like, we used to have a herbal dispensary, and she walked into this dispensary and she, she was like, I don't know what to do.
My hair's falling out. Like I have all of these symptoms I can't swallow. I've been to like 60 different doctors plus the er, and they found nothing. , and I'm looking at her like she has this massive goiter. Yeah. I'm like did they test your thyroid? And she's like, what? No. Why? And I'm like let's do some basic tests.
And her T p O antibodies were like seven 80. That's kind of the highest I've ever seen in anyone. and she was like, oh my God, you found it? And [00:15:00] I'm like, oh no, this is just the beginning. like, if you have this, then we need to figure out what
Julie Michelson: why? Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: And and sure enough, within like a couple of weeks, her antibodies went down.
The goiter went down. She was able, able to swallow again. Like it just seems crazy. To me that six different doctors, the ER, that has access to so much technology and they couldn't like see this massive goiter in her neck. Like, I don't know. I don't get it. So,
Julie Michelson: that is so crazy. But think about what a blessing for her that, as you said, and that was 10 years ago, but you know, as she's starting to consider that she's almost ready to start a family. She's managed all of that. Because you know that, that could be, you know, who knows how many miscarriages she's avoiding down the
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Absolutely.
Julie Michelson: I dunno. So, so what are [00:16:00] I, I would imagine most listeners, and it's probably same for, you're already kind of on that path, right? Of their, their, oh, the pups are chiming in. They are looking for root cause or working on root causes. I used to say root cause all the time. I'm like, when is it just one? It's not. So hopefully they're already taking steps to identify and start to manage. But you know, and I know they're commonalities. So, you know, are there, is there, if somebody's trying to conceive, is there a, a particular way of eating or diet nutrient, you know, what do you tell people to do?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: think, I think a general, a good general starting point is the AIP P diet, and that's the autoimmune protocol diet. The main things on there, there's, it's, it gets very like nitty gritty, but the main things on there like avoid gluten, avoid soya, avoid dairy, avoid. Sugar and corn, those are the five big ones, right?
So [00:17:00] that helps to at least get to the point of like instant reduction of inflammation and. And then we can actually like do some more tests and try to figure out like, do you have food sensitivities? Is there intestinal permeability issues that are going to then support or make worse the antibodies that your body is creating?
So I think. It's a good plug. The a ai a i p is like an instant, like let's get at this as quickly as we can and then we can like figure out more details. And I've seen, I've seen antibodies that people are making because the of food sensitivities to like beef, which
Julie Michelson: Or spinach or you know,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: kale or like all the things that you're like.
What, we shouldn't be reacting to this, but [00:18:00] it really doesn't matter. Like your body can literally react to any, any food that you consume, but I think the, mm-hmm.
Julie Michelson: we have leaky gut, I mean that is what happens. And I love that you, you were like, you know, start, cuz I am a, I'm an a i P coach. And, and I used to, when people weren't getting the results, I was expecting. Then add in food sensitivity tests and, and you know, focus in more on the gut.
And now it's like, no, we just do that upfront. Because I know if you, if you have autoimmunity, you have leaky gut unless you've already done the work to heal it. I joke, even a few years ago I did a food sensitivity panel and I was like, oh, there's Wednesday night dinner. You know, , it was salmon and broccoli and garlic and, you know, I was like, yeah, spinach, you know, all the
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: right.
Julie Michelson: Oh. And, but that's what happens is, you know, once the leaky gut is [00:19:00] there and, and it is, if you have autoimmunity, you, you've have it. I mean, you or you have had it. So, and I love that you clarified too, because people look at a i p and they get so overwhelmed because it is really in depth and intense.
And,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: and you honestly, and you need a coach. If you're gonna do that really well, you need someone like Julie who is going to support you through it, because it can be super overwhelming.
Julie Michelson: It can be and and then people tend to get stuck. In the elimination phase, we forget it's a phase, right? Like we're talking about, you know, trimesters and, and growing a human timeframe. You know, we're not supposed to be in the elimination phase for the rest of our life. And, and so You know, I, I love that whole figuring it out.
Like take that, does it, like, just drops that inflammation down to a certain level where then you can really dig in and get to what else is going on.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. [00:20:00] And it helps to like lower the, the body burden in some ways so that your, you can really start sifting through like, oh, when I eliminate these things, then my inflammation is lower and I'm not as reactive to everything. Right. It can, it can really like cool it down a little.
Yeah.
Julie Michelson: and you can notice, you know, if you're reacting to 20 things, all the time. I, I joke, I know most listeners aren't old enough, but the, I I think of it as like that fuzzy TV screen, you know, when the antenna wasn't right when I was a kid. As far as like the, it is just your body's being bombarded by too many sources of inflammation.
And so if you can start to get some of them lower, then you can really hear the signal.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And then I think the other thing with autoimmune conditions, specifically from the relationship to fertility, is around [00:21:00] toxins and mold, right? Yeah. So those are the other big ones that we wanna make sure like you don't have a huge toxin burden, cuz that is gonna make it. Much more likely that your immune system is overreacting to things that it shouldn't be reacting to.
So that's important. And then, like we've seen this relatively often, like mold comes up frequently. I'm sure you see that a lot too. I. , and that is also, in some ways, that's just like your immune system trying to fight off whatever this external stimuli is and then going haywire and being like, oops, sorry, I didn't realize your thyroid shouldn't be the thing I attack
Julie Michelson: or your embryo , or you know?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: your embryo
Julie Michelson: the body. In fight mode. I know I, I love, and we're speaking because this is my podcast, we're talking about [00:22:00] autoimmune autoimmunity specifically, but I have a client who I just started working with a few weeks ago. She is getting married and knows they wanna conceive right.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Mm-hmm.
Julie Michelson: and she's healthy. She just found functional medicine, so she's up-leveling and you know, sure enough, so it's, we, you know, these are things that to us are so common with autoimmunity, but I'm guessing when it comes to toxins, Everybody considering conceiving or getting ready to conceive, that needs to really be on their radar as well.
Because, you know, we're, if you're living on this planet, chances are pretty good. You're holding onto some toxins.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. And you like we're exposed to, I think so I had, I had interviewed this awesome doctor on my podcast, can't remember her name, but she's from Canada. And she was like, we are exposed to 80,000 toxins on very low [00:23:00] levels every single day. 80,000. I was
Julie Michelson: and they're
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: serious? Like,
Julie Michelson: Like that's what people don't understand is like you, you mentioned body burden and that's what it is. So you may not have some extreme level of one particular toxin, but to the body, it's still, there's a cumulative effect.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yes. Yes. And it's, it's really like with fertility, the body is, if the body is in survival mode, it's not thriving. If you're not thriving, guess what? The, the quickest, easiest, simplest thing to turn off is reproduction. It's not nece, it's not a necessity for your survival. It's necessary for the survival of the human race, but it's not necessary for you to continue to exist on this planet.
So the body says that I have too much to deal with, turn that off. Like that's not a necessary function. And it just, it's like as simple as light switch [00:24:00] off. I don't wanna deal. And it can
Julie Michelson: I don't have the
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: You're right. Totally.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. So I have to, that you, that was like the perfect segue. I wasn't even planning on it, but we have to go there now. You know, survival mode, I think of chronic stress. Right. You know? Yes. It's, it's so easy to, to, you know, we've got food, we've got talks, and they're all important.
But what, you know, what do you say about. Managing stress or evaluating stressors,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah, that's a good point. So I think, I think we have to view the things that we've been talking about are stressors in the body, right? So metabolic stressors or internal stressors that have to do with our immune system deliver not functioning. The toxins that we're exposed to, the food that we ate. You know, like all of those are, are to a certain degree, a stressor. And then we have the external [00:25:00] stressors, quote unquote, that are our boss that we don't like, or the job that's super high pressure, or the relationship that's strained for whatever reason. And those are all gonna be stressors in a different way, but still impacting our adrenals, which then impacts everything else in the body.
So at the core of it, like. Supporting the cortisol and melatonin pathways are going to support healing the body on a fundamental level and are going to make you more stress resilient, which is a fancy way of saying like, You are not get necessarily getting rid of all of the stress because most of it isn't going anywhere.
right? Like your body's still, like you're still breathing the air in, that you breathe in. But if you can lower the burden, the total toxin burden on all [00:26:00] levels. and if you can build in some extra stress resilience, now your body has the capability to say, Hey, I can shift from survival into thriving, and I'm okay to turn this reproductive switch back on.
So, We really have to get to that point of like all the other stuff is taken care of and the body, and honestly we're saying body cuz we're focusing on women. But it's just as important for the the male partner. If you have a partner to both of you, really get to this place of everything else is pro. S pro thriving.
I don't, I, I don't wanna,
Julie Michelson: Pro thriving. Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: but it's like there isn't a signal in your body that's like saying, oh my God, if I do this one thing, I'm gonna freak out or I'm going to die. Essentially,
Julie Michelson: right. Which is the, the [00:27:00] signal. And I always say like the. There is no stress response SY system that's different for, you know, I'm late for this appointment versus like there's a tiger on my rear-end. , like in internally, you get that same response
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yes. Yes, exactly.
Julie Michelson: Is there, is there something you like couples to do?
Well, cuz I'm thinking as we're talking about this, like even if somebody is doing all the work and has checked all the boxes, if they'll, they're already in a cycle of fertility struggles. That's such a big stressor. And I remember
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah, the fertility stress is,
Julie Michelson: trying to have a baby and the doctors would say, you know, just relax.
It'll happen. And it's like, well, It's
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: you wanna punch
Julie Michelson: start. Yes, yes.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: you totally wanna punch the person that's telling you to just
Julie Michelson: So that's an extra level of chronic stress that, that somebody is, is needing [00:28:00] to manage. And I love that you pointed out, it's really about building resilience. It's the same thing with all like resilience to talk all of it, right.
Reducing the burden enough to get. That resilience because I, I have yet to find anybody who successfully lives in a bubble, you know, on an island
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: totally. Stress free
Julie Michelson: yeah, yeah, . So, but do you have like a starting point for people or something for people to consider, you know, if they're already in that, because it can be intense trying to start a.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. So I think. My advice to a lot of couples is do the testing upfront. Right? A lot of times PE doctors are like, well, you're under the age of 35. You can try for 12 months unsuccessfully before we will test your hormones and sperm, and sperm often waits for like two years. Sometimes I'm like, oh, [00:29:00] you're fine.
You're only 30. I'm like, I've seen. 25 year old men with super crappy sperm. So
Julie Michelson: these days,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. So like age has barely anything to do with it. So my
Julie Michelson: and that's set. Sorry, go ahead.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. So my advice is really to do that testing upfront. E maybe you give it like two months of trying and you're like, okay, look, let's just test a no. And. When you know you have more power to do something about it and it doesn't mean you have something wrong. Like a lot of times people are like, I don't wanna test cuz I don't wanna know if something's wrong with me. And I'm like, well, so then you'd rather wait for an entire year where you're constantly on this roller coaster of, am I pregnant?
Crap, I'm not pregnant again. And you go through that cycle over and over again
Julie Michelson: brutal.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: only to be like, I don't know what I'm doing and you're still [00:30:00] going to, at that point, gonna need to test anyway,
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: so save yourself.
Julie Michelson: that knowledge is power cuz all it's a, you know, most of what the tests are gonna turn up are things you can do something about. You know I, and, and that just brings up the, the healthcare system. The traditional healthcare system really hasn't. changed since all those myths.
I, I know somebody who's young who miscarried last week, and when she went to the doctor, they said, well, we're not gonna do any testing until you have your third miscarriage.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Oh yeah. . I'm
Julie Michelson: Well, I, I'm sorry. What?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Miscarriages? Yes.
Julie Michelson: horrible.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Y it's Har. It's awful. It's awful. And I think that it's really like, , it's, it's hard to be in multiple ways in this, right? Like as the c, the client that's going [00:31:00] through this process and they're going to their doctor, and the doctor is like, oh no, you're fine.
You can do this testing later. And, and then you're like, okay, I guess that's normal and I should like stop worrying about it and maybe it's okay that I have three miscarriages, but your body is every single time you have a loss, it's going into survival mode. , right? It's literally like, oh my God, I'm dying.
And that degree of stress is going to make another loss that much more like. So if we're not healing in between, like you have a loss, fine, it happened once. Let's figure out why it happened. And yes, there are lots of reasons why miscarriages happened and like, I'm just like, don't believe your doctors don't believe them.
Julie Michelson: Oh, I got so angry when I heard that last week. I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. [00:32:00] Yeah, it's, it's really common and, and like I was just talking to a colleague of mine who is trained as a naturopathic doctor. She's really smart. And she had a miscarriage. She went to the doctor, her OB was like, oh, no worries. Just try again. It'll be fine. Just give it two months and then you'll be fine.
And sure enough, she's pregnant again. And I was like, Crap. Like you didn't think to pause and do any testing. And I like, I she's one of my really good friends. I hope it works out for her, but I'm also like, this is the, the problem with our system and it's so global. And unless you're in this field where you're like, wait, I'm gonna think about this differently, even for yourself, it is.
So traumatic to be like, yeah, let's just try again and hopefully it's fine. And honestly, like she's 40, she doesn't have time to try again [00:33:00] if this is another situation. So
Julie Michelson: right.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I'm knocking on wood like not wishing this up upon her at all, but it's just an example of like the, even the most knowledgeable, skilled.
People are being given this message of like, it's okay, just try again. And to me, if I were to go through that, I would really just be like, that's not good enough. Like I don't want to go through this again. It's painful. It's emotionally draining and it's just bad medicine. Like it's completely disgraceful that we even have the nerve to tell women to go.
Three miscarriages before they do something about it,
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: the level of [00:34:00] testing, the level of testing that they do. Is like still the tip of the iceberg and it accounts only for like 10% of the losses. So the other 90% they're gonna say, sorry, unexplained miscarriage. And there are still tests that they should be doing for that other 90% that never get done.
So, so sorry I went on a rant.
Julie Michelson: No, don't, don't be sorry. Can you share with us some of those tests, things that people could be asking
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Totally, I think. I think looking for autoimmune conditions should be at the top of the list, right? So we're doing these like super heavy duty genetic tests before doing the basics, which is autoimmune. Like just test ana, it's like $15 tests, anti-nuclear antibodies. That's a very global marker for autoimmune conditions.
It's almost always gonna be elevated if you have some sort of auto. And [00:35:00] you don't need to know exactly which autoimmune it is. If you know that it's autoimmune, then you can like work deeper on that.
Julie Michelson: Can you say that again? I love
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: yes. If, if, if you have, if a n a anti-nuclear antibodies come out positive, then you have some autoimmune condition.
You don't. At that point, you may not know exactly which one, however.
Julie Michelson: matter.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: matter. , it doesn't matter. It's like autoimmune is autoimmune is autoimmune and you're gonna approach it the same way, regardless of which autoimmune it is. Granton, you might wanna know, you might wanna be like, actually I have these joint pains and that might, it might help me to know that I have rheumatoid arthritis, not
Julie Michelson: right.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: But at the end of the day, the, the protocol, the approach to. Healing it in your body is going to be pretty identical regardless of what it is. [00:36:00] So Ana like kind of the tip of the iceberg. The simplest, easiest, cheapest test that you can get is not happening at is part of the recurrent pregnancy loss.
Lists of tests. So that's number one. number two is testing the guys. So DNA fragmentation on the guise. And what we do in our practice is something called homocysteine, inflammation markers, c r P, et cetera. And blood sugar and insulin. And those, believe it or not, have been connected to pregnancy loss.
So, What they have found, and this is a crazy, crazy wild story because the whole time I've been working in fertility, pregnancy loss has always been a big percentage of it, and I love it because I hate the idea that anyone goes through this more than once. So we, [00:37:00] we were testing all of the guys on all of these markers, and I noticed very early on I was like, wait, almost every single guy that we test with a partner who has had a loss, has either high homocysteine or high blood sugar levels, or high insulin
Julie Michelson: I have goosebumps, like, why don't people know this?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Even there are like hundreds of doctors that I tell this to and they're like, what? You just blew my mind. And so for years I was like, I swear I'm crazy, but this is a pattern. Like, I swear this is a pattern. And two years ago we, I started seeing the studies coming out saying the exact same thing, homocystine and blood sugar are connected in the male to pregnancy loss in the female.
And what's exciting about that is because a, it's really super easy to fix, but b , it's it's the male partner and most of these guys have really great sperm. [00:38:00] So it's never caught on a sperm test. Never ever, ever does it show up as like, oh, you're a sperm are not so great. Maybe we should do something about it.
No, these markers are completely independent. It is impacting the outcome of the pregnancy, and there are studies on that show that it's impacting the outcome of the pregnancy. So,
Julie Michelson: Even, even beyond that, if you, if you think about once they have, you know, a healthy pregnancy that results in a baby,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah.
Julie Michelson: these guys are gonna be so much healthier long term because a, like you said, these are easy things to fix. Once you know they're there and they're so important. I mean, you don't want high homocysteine and you certainly don't want high blood sugar, which is way too common these
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: my goodness. And, and the number of times guys are, and I'm like, I've repeatedly told guys like, oh, you're borderline diabetic. Did your doctor talk to you about that? [00:39:00] They're like, no, what are you talking about? I'm not pre-diabetic. I'm like, well, first of all, you have all this abdominal weight. We're gonna need to do something about that. But second of all, like here's your lab test. It says right on the lab like you're pre-diabetic. Right.
Julie Michelson: here's your a1c right
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yes. Yes, exactly. So we're gonna need to do something about it. And a majority of the time they. We had one guy, the woman has P C O S, so inherently she had some things leading into the pro the issue, but they've been on this journey for three years.
Three miscarriages, no, like never been tested for anything outside of her hormones and like, oh, you're not getting pregnant cuz it's P c o S.
Julie Michelson: right?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: The guy comes in and I'm like, this dude is like 30 pounds overweight. And I'm like, sure. He's. Yeah, it's true. He's got blood sugar issues. He doesn't have enough testosterone, like all these things, right?
And I'm [00:40:00] like, oh, this is gonna be awesome. . So within a month,
Julie Michelson: you.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. I'm like, oh yes, we wanna work on her P C O S, but we really need to work over here and get him to the point where he feels amazing. And the funniest part was we worked with him for a couple of. He lost, he lost like 45 pounds in three months or something like that.
And we had, we essentially didn't do anything except eat healthier , right? Like there was no diet, there was no like massive change. It was just like, here's the guidelines. Eat anything you like on this.
Julie Michelson: Real food. Eat
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. . Yeah. And and his blood sugar levels went down, his homocysteine went down, and the best part was, so I didn't tell you, but I couldn't actually stay erect.
So.
Julie Michelson: well, that'll also make it harder to
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Fixed. Like never [00:41:00] told, like hasn't talked
Julie Michelson: wasn't
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: It wasn't like a thing, but he's like, oh yeah, that fixed itself. And I was like, what? That's amazing. it's, you know, it, I feel like I'm getting super excited because I feel like the male part of this is so ignored, but the minute you start paying attention to it, Massively different outcomes.
They got pregnant in four months. They're in their like light later part of their second trimester. So they're doing really, really well. They're past like every miscarriage she's ever had, and. And they got pregnant in four months. , it's like it doesn't have to take forever, right? It's like when you do the things that can click into place quickly, it doesn't have to take a year, it doesn't even have to take six months.
It can be super fast, efficient, [00:42:00] but also like going to increase the outcome of you having a healthy baby,
Julie Michelson: Which is so amazing, and what I love the most about this conversation is, you know, yes, the g the gift of helping people have families, but really this is actual truly preventative medicine.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I agree. This is why I got into this. It's totally why I got into this. So I didn't, I didn't know it when I was going through my fertility questions, but my mom had passed away from cancer and I had done all this research and study and training honestly in cancer therapy and. I thought I was gonna be a cancer specialist cuz my mom had been through it.
And I realized that what I was really passionate about is like how do we prevent all of it? So when all the fertility stuff came up and, and like at some point I started crying cuz I couldn't have. Put all of those [00:43:00] things together better. But it was a big part of just like couldn't we have a healthier planet and healthier children and healthier families that these guys no longer are pre-diabetic and they now have a longer lifespan, a long he healthier lifespan just from going through fertility issues.
Julie Michelson: and then that means the whole family is going to be eating real food and the whole family is gonna be aware of toxins and the whole family. And that's, that's how we get to the healthier planet. That's always my most exciting part. It's the trickle down. It's that butterfly effect.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: yeah. Absolutely. I
Julie Michelson: you're starting out, like, you know, these kiddos aren't gonna have to course correct.
They're the, these families are just on the right path,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. And, and I tell them all the time, I'm like, please keep doing this after you have your child. Like,
Julie Michelson: forget like yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: it's really easy to get like, oh, we're busy. Oh, the stress of [00:44:00] like having a new child. But I think sustaining as much as you can, or even like weaving in as many of these lifestyle things as you can continue doing, gonna have a healthier life because of.
Julie Michelson: And you know, cuz we talk off air about, you know, it's a process, right? Like I'm still working on it. You're still working
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Mm. Always a work in progress.
Julie Michelson: it's, it is, it's a process. Well, clearly the universe had intentions. For you and your gifts. And I am so grateful that I know I, I can only ima I wish when I was wanting to start my family and struggling that, that I hadn't had you but you weren't doing this yet back then.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I was
Julie Michelson: you So, but it is, it, it is such a gift to, to everybody and to the future. And I'm so, I'm so grateful that you joined us today to, to share some of your [00:45:00] sunshine and light and, and knowledge with us is amazing. So what is one step that listeners can take today and. Well, why we just were talking about, yes, this was about fertility, right?
And But anybody, whether you're like me and you are way past having your children what's one thing people can, can do today to start to improve their
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I think, I think the lowest hanging fruit is toxin. Lowering the toxin burden, right? And I think that that can happen in a lot of subtle ways. So that is a really good starting point and we didn't get into like all the toxins that are in the environment, so I'm happy to share with all of your listeners.
The Divas Detox Guide, which is basically a PDF I created to like walk them through every part of their house to detox all the stuff that affects fertil.
Julie Michelson: I love that, and I don't think it's out yet, but this is [00:46:00] what we talk about together on your podcast as well.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: we've talked
Julie Michelson: if you wanna do a deeper dive with both of us on toxins,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yep.
Julie Michelson: But
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Actually we could, I don't, we, we can coordinate, we can link my podcast to yours if you wanna do back and
Julie Michelson: would be
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: cuz I feel like they. We talked so much about the toxins that are affecting fertility, and it would be really great for people to be able to hear that because it's just like we didn't get into it.
And
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: there's other content out there, so
Julie Michelson: I love it and we'll link to, to the guide and, and what a, what a great gift. And I love that you, that you were like clear about like the smallest steps we can take. Cuz again, it's a process and so it can be overwhelming if you think, oh, oh my gosh, I need to be totally to like, again, can't achieve toxin free if you're living on [00:47:00] the planet.
So, Just taking those, those small, I'll even add imperfect steps you know, still really do move that needle.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yep.
Progress over perfection. Love that.
Julie Michelson: So before we wrap up, for people listening on the go that aren't gonna check the show notes, where's the best place for them to find you?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: on Instagram at Holistic Fertility. Doctor, you, there's like tons and tons of content on there and you're welcome to DM me if you're like, Hey, you said this thing. I have a question. Whatever. We are very much active on Instagram.
Julie Michelson: and Dr. Ahma is, she is just the kindest, most generous soul. So really hit her up if you have questions. And if you are listening to this and you are in that place where you are getting ready to start a family, seriously connect with her. She is amazing and she helps so many people reach that dream.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Thank you. Thanks so [00:48:00] much for having me and letting me share this message. know that, gosh, like the things that you support people with the fertility Jo, there's just so many pieces that I feel like connecting the dots and like having us all working together to achieve this like vision that we all have for a healthier planet is, it's happening.
It will happen.
Julie Michelson: This is why we have these conversations. Absolutely. So, oh mama, thank you so much. You've shared amazing gold with us today.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Thank you.
Julie Michelson: For everyone listening. Remember, you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting Inspired Living Show. I hope I had a great time and enjoyed this episode as much as I did.
I'll see you next week.
Dr. Ramma gives us simple steps to take and tests to consider to improve outcomes, and even if you aren't planning on having a baby anytime soon, our conversation will help you up level your health.
Dr. Aumatma, welcome to the podcast.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Thank you so much for having me, Julie. I'm excited to be here.
Julie Michelson: am so excited as well. I love your work. I love your podcast, and I know listeners are gonna get so much value out of this. So let's dig in for those that are unfamiliar, you know, how did you get to be this fertility expert?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: It's actually a funny story because I started as a naturopathic doctor. I was already in practice for quite some time, and it was. I kind of woke up married to this person that I had chosen to marry, [00:02:00] and he started talking about having children. And it was the first time that I had even thought of it, like it was just not on my radar at all.
And I was like, oh crap, you're right. Like we should probably be thinking about this and then, I realized my intuition, my uterus, literally everything in my body was like, no. And I was like, what is it him? Is it a no period? Like what are we doing here? And I went kind of into A nine month rabbit hole of what?
Like kind of tuning in and trying to figure out was it that I never wanted to have kids or was it that I didn't wanna have them with him? And what I realized was it was him that I didn't wanna have kids with him. But it brought up for me this desire of like, actually I really wanna have a child, and if not with [00:03:00] him, then what am I doing?
Like why am I married to him? So it kind of led to a divorce, unfortunately. But that process of like exploring, because what I remembered from medical school was literally. Your, your fertility's good till 35 and after that it drops off of a cliff and good luck for you. And I was like, well, 35 is pretty close, so what are we doing?
So I kind of went down the ra re research rabbit hole and, and realized that a lot of what we have, Talked about and told, and ta even taught in medical school is based on a lot of myths that are not proven. And as I started talking to people about them people like women kept coming up to me and we were like, Hey, you can help me with my fertility.
And I was like, no, we're just talking mitz. And . It, it kind of. Evolved to the point where it is now, like almost every [00:04:00] single one of our clients is a fertility client. And it's become my passion because I feel like there is so little there is so much evidence and there's so much evidence based support that we could offer women, but in reality, that's not what, what's happening most of the time.
So, I really have tried to walk this line of like, we wanna support women, we wanna support couples to have healthy babies, but we also wanna do it in the context of research driven and as holistic as we can possibly get. So not like an anti-western medicine, but how do we integrate, how do we make this work the best for the couple?
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Which is amazing. Oh my gosh. I lo and I love your story. I have three kids, they're adults and we just recently had this conversation of, you know, I don't know how to get them to understand, but when we're [00:05:00] talking about choosing a mate, if you want to have a family or you think you may wanna have a family, like that should be a criteria of like, this is a person, like, I have to have babies with you.
Right? Like and so I, I just wanna like, touch on a, like how brilliant you are and, and all the time I'm talking with my clients and on the podcast about tuning in, right? Tapping into our intuition, listening to our bodies. You were like, I don't know if it was my uterus or what, you know what part of me, right?
But clearly you were getting the signals. Something isn't right here to reproduce right now with this, in this situation. And so I love that because that is, it's so important for all of us, and I know that's not what we're gonna get into today, but
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: totally fine. I feel like the intuition piece is just so important cuz even clients that wanna work [00:06:00] with us, I'm like, I'm not here to sell you on working with us. Like go tune into your intuition and see if it's the right fit and if it is, you're pretty much guaranteed to get pregnant.
But if it's not like you're forcing something that's not tangibly there for you, then maybe don't do this
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Yeah. Well, and, and to, to touch on the lack of science in all of those myths, right? Because if you think about, You know, studies weren't done with women, so all of this quote unquote medical data wasn't really data , you
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Mm-hmm.
Julie Michelson: But, but I do love, and I had, this is the last, then we're gonna move forward, I promise.
But I love that your rabbit hole. I, I still wanted to say, was it nine months or was it 40 weeks? Which, which
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: It's pretty much like,
Julie Michelson: you
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: really interesting is when I look back at my life, every [00:07:00] single thing that I have done has been in like the three trimester type energy. It's like really bizarre. Like the big stuff in my life happens over a nine month period. It's like, It has to gest date, it has to grow, it has to like, and then it's like birthed into the world.
It's really bizarre, but I feel like that's a really natural process that we often are like trying to rush things or we're like, oh no, I need to get this out of the door right now. But in reality, like. Are, are phases. The way that even I and I teach this to practitioners is like the way your business is going to be birth is going to be the same way that you grow a human in your body and then birth it.
And that birthing process might be painful,
Julie Michelson: Often
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: it needs to have like fully
Julie Michelson: beautiful thing, but yeah, [00:08:00] I love that. And, and share with listeners as, so did you miss your window? Was it too late for you to
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: No, I ended up, so I preserved, quote unquote, preserve my fertility. I did all of the things that I figured out to do for other women, and I did them for years actually. And then finally met my now husband. We even dated for like four years before we decided to have a child and. Yeah, and I was 38 when I had my, my little one.
So it, it's, yeah. I feel like, you know, it is, it is possible that we choose what it is that we. Do and like who we reproduce with. And and if it's like the, the right time or not the right time. Like there's so many women out there that are asking these questions and I feel like the, the go-to answer is, well freeze your eggs [00:09:00] and don't worry about it.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if that works actually. . So
Julie Michelson: might not be option number one, like, let's not
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: yeah.
Julie Michelson: That's amazing. So I am guessing that at least a good number of the couples that come to you. One and at least one of them if, and we'll kind of focus on mom, but it, it actually, it could be either way.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah.
Julie Michelson: have, have autoimmunity or, you know, inflammatory issues.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Yeah. Like a very large percentage of them. If we include like generalized inflammation, that's a big percentage of the population that does not know they're, they even have inflammation.
Julie Michelson: Well, I, I look at that as like the beginning of the spectrum, right? Like I, I really so, you know, so somebody shows up and. You know, they're like, we want, you know, we're ready. This is the time we wanna have our family. [00:10:00] And I have, I'll throw Hashimotos out just because I know there's, there's such a, but pit any, I don't know that it matters.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. All autoimmune conditions tend to have the same issue, which is it's gonna be harder to get pregnant and harder to stay pregnant and. Because the, so what's interesting to me is with Hashimotos or with even like Crohn's disease or lupus, there are a lot of antibodies that are floating around in the system and.
It's bad enough that the antibodies are confused and attacking your thyroid, for example, but the same antibodies are then going to potentially attack the embryo that is forming and growing within you. And it's, that shift [00:11:00] is is hard for a lot of people because that's gonna lead to a pregnancy loss and like, The way to prevent it is to get at the root right, so Hashimotos and even like dial that back and like, how did that happen?
how? Why do you have Hashimotos? So really kind of dialing it in and getting at the root of the autoimmune will support a healthier pregnancy.
Julie Michelson: I love that.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I think a lot of times in Western medicine, the standard of care is like, oh, we're just gonna put you on Prednisone, . That's our solution. And. And that is okay if that, if you're like already pregnant and that's your last case, you know, like let's try to do what we can.
But if you know that that is the case, then you really have to question whether Prednisone is the best approach. And I have, I just talked to someone this week [00:12:00] who actually has been on. Cycling, prednisone, . So basically like as soon as she ovulates, they put her on Prednisone for two weeks and then she gets off of it for two weeks and then she's back on for two weeks and off of it.
And I'm like, and how's that working out? And she's like, I feel crazy like all the time.
Julie Michelson: do you see my eyes? I'm like, no. I, I, when I. In the decline part of my health journey. My, my kids, I'd like to think I was a very calm, I'm not a yeller, very mellow person. Prednisone in my family is called Mean Mommy Medicine, , because I had no patience. My kids were young, so like that's why I, by the look on my face, I can't imagine.
And, and it has a time and a place, you know, to, to manage. To manage symptoms. But like you said, you know, if, if you're managing, [00:13:00] so, so for listeners that are in a place where they're either already trying to conceive, you know, and, and carry to term or they're like, okay, you know, I know within the next couple of years but they haven't.
Started to get to the root cause of what's going on with their autoimmunity, what are their drivers? It sounds like No, no, that's the place to start, which of course makes me so happy because this is what I want everybody to be doing anyway. trying to conceive or not right?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah, absolutely. Look,
Julie Michelson: just turn this process around.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Yeah. And it's, and I think a lot of times it's frustrating because doctors will literally say, well, if you have antibodies to your thyroid, there's nothing you can do about it anyway, so just leave it alone. And to me, I'm like, what? You know
Julie Michelson: turn off. Make them stop
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I have, I have, [00:14:00] I have one patient who I've had, I've been working with her for almost 10 years.
She's not trying to get pregnant. She's a super young woman. She's actually like working on preserving her fertility and wants to get pregnant in the next few years now, but, So 10 years. This woman first walked into, like, we used to have a herbal dispensary, and she walked into this dispensary and she, she was like, I don't know what to do.
My hair's falling out. Like I have all of these symptoms I can't swallow. I've been to like 60 different doctors plus the er, and they found nothing. , and I'm looking at her like she has this massive goiter. Yeah. I'm like did they test your thyroid? And she's like, what? No. Why? And I'm like let's do some basic tests.
And her T p O antibodies were like seven 80. That's kind of the highest I've ever seen in anyone. and she was like, oh my God, you found it? And [00:15:00] I'm like, oh no, this is just the beginning. like, if you have this, then we need to figure out what
Julie Michelson: why? Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: And and sure enough, within like a couple of weeks, her antibodies went down.
The goiter went down. She was able, able to swallow again. Like it just seems crazy. To me that six different doctors, the ER, that has access to so much technology and they couldn't like see this massive goiter in her neck. Like, I don't know. I don't get it. So,
Julie Michelson: that is so crazy. But think about what a blessing for her that, as you said, and that was 10 years ago, but you know, as she's starting to consider that she's almost ready to start a family. She's managed all of that. Because you know that, that could be, you know, who knows how many miscarriages she's avoiding down the
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Absolutely.
Julie Michelson: I dunno. So, so what are [00:16:00] I, I would imagine most listeners, and it's probably same for, you're already kind of on that path, right? Of their, their, oh, the pups are chiming in. They are looking for root cause or working on root causes. I used to say root cause all the time. I'm like, when is it just one? It's not. So hopefully they're already taking steps to identify and start to manage. But you know, and I know they're commonalities. So, you know, are there, is there, if somebody's trying to conceive, is there a, a particular way of eating or diet nutrient, you know, what do you tell people to do?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: think, I think a general, a good general starting point is the AIP P diet, and that's the autoimmune protocol diet. The main things on there, there's, it's, it gets very like nitty gritty, but the main things on there like avoid gluten, avoid soya, avoid dairy, avoid. Sugar and corn, those are the five big ones, right?
So [00:17:00] that helps to at least get to the point of like instant reduction of inflammation and. And then we can actually like do some more tests and try to figure out like, do you have food sensitivities? Is there intestinal permeability issues that are going to then support or make worse the antibodies that your body is creating?
So I think. It's a good plug. The a ai a i p is like an instant, like let's get at this as quickly as we can and then we can like figure out more details. And I've seen, I've seen antibodies that people are making because the of food sensitivities to like beef, which
Julie Michelson: Or spinach or you know,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: kale or like all the things that you're like.
What, we shouldn't be reacting to this, but [00:18:00] it really doesn't matter. Like your body can literally react to any, any food that you consume, but I think the, mm-hmm.
Julie Michelson: we have leaky gut, I mean that is what happens. And I love that you, you were like, you know, start, cuz I am a, I'm an a i P coach. And, and I used to, when people weren't getting the results, I was expecting. Then add in food sensitivity tests and, and you know, focus in more on the gut.
And now it's like, no, we just do that upfront. Because I know if you, if you have autoimmunity, you have leaky gut unless you've already done the work to heal it. I joke, even a few years ago I did a food sensitivity panel and I was like, oh, there's Wednesday night dinner. You know, , it was salmon and broccoli and garlic and, you know, I was like, yeah, spinach, you know, all the
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: right.
Julie Michelson: Oh. And, but that's what happens is, you know, once the leaky gut is [00:19:00] there and, and it is, if you have autoimmunity, you, you've have it. I mean, you or you have had it. So, and I love that you clarified too, because people look at a i p and they get so overwhelmed because it is really in depth and intense.
And,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: and you honestly, and you need a coach. If you're gonna do that really well, you need someone like Julie who is going to support you through it, because it can be super overwhelming.
Julie Michelson: It can be and and then people tend to get stuck. In the elimination phase, we forget it's a phase, right? Like we're talking about, you know, trimesters and, and growing a human timeframe. You know, we're not supposed to be in the elimination phase for the rest of our life. And, and so You know, I, I love that whole figuring it out.
Like take that, does it, like, just drops that inflammation down to a certain level where then you can really dig in and get to what else is going on.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. [00:20:00] And it helps to like lower the, the body burden in some ways so that your, you can really start sifting through like, oh, when I eliminate these things, then my inflammation is lower and I'm not as reactive to everything. Right. It can, it can really like cool it down a little.
Yeah.
Julie Michelson: and you can notice, you know, if you're reacting to 20 things, all the time. I, I joke, I know most listeners aren't old enough, but the, I I think of it as like that fuzzy TV screen, you know, when the antenna wasn't right when I was a kid. As far as like the, it is just your body's being bombarded by too many sources of inflammation.
And so if you can start to get some of them lower, then you can really hear the signal.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And then I think the other thing with autoimmune conditions, specifically from the relationship to fertility, is around [00:21:00] toxins and mold, right? Yeah. So those are the other big ones that we wanna make sure like you don't have a huge toxin burden, cuz that is gonna make it. Much more likely that your immune system is overreacting to things that it shouldn't be reacting to.
So that's important. And then, like we've seen this relatively often, like mold comes up frequently. I'm sure you see that a lot too. I. , and that is also, in some ways, that's just like your immune system trying to fight off whatever this external stimuli is and then going haywire and being like, oops, sorry, I didn't realize your thyroid shouldn't be the thing I attack
Julie Michelson: or your embryo , or you know?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: your embryo
Julie Michelson: the body. In fight mode. I know I, I love, and we're speaking because this is my podcast, we're talking about [00:22:00] autoimmune autoimmunity specifically, but I have a client who I just started working with a few weeks ago. She is getting married and knows they wanna conceive right.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Mm-hmm.
Julie Michelson: and she's healthy. She just found functional medicine, so she's up-leveling and you know, sure enough, so it's, we, you know, these are things that to us are so common with autoimmunity, but I'm guessing when it comes to toxins, Everybody considering conceiving or getting ready to conceive, that needs to really be on their radar as well.
Because, you know, we're, if you're living on this planet, chances are pretty good. You're holding onto some toxins.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. And you like we're exposed to, I think so I had, I had interviewed this awesome doctor on my podcast, can't remember her name, but she's from Canada. And she was like, we are exposed to 80,000 toxins on very low [00:23:00] levels every single day. 80,000. I was
Julie Michelson: and they're
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: serious? Like,
Julie Michelson: Like that's what people don't understand is like you, you mentioned body burden and that's what it is. So you may not have some extreme level of one particular toxin, but to the body, it's still, there's a cumulative effect.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yes. Yes. And it's, it's really like with fertility, the body is, if the body is in survival mode, it's not thriving. If you're not thriving, guess what? The, the quickest, easiest, simplest thing to turn off is reproduction. It's not nece, it's not a necessity for your survival. It's necessary for the survival of the human race, but it's not necessary for you to continue to exist on this planet.
So the body says that I have too much to deal with, turn that off. Like that's not a necessary function. And it just, it's like as simple as light switch [00:24:00] off. I don't wanna deal. And it can
Julie Michelson: I don't have the
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: You're right. Totally.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. So I have to, that you, that was like the perfect segue. I wasn't even planning on it, but we have to go there now. You know, survival mode, I think of chronic stress. Right. You know? Yes. It's, it's so easy to, to, you know, we've got food, we've got talks, and they're all important.
But what, you know, what do you say about. Managing stress or evaluating stressors,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah, that's a good point. So I think, I think we have to view the things that we've been talking about are stressors in the body, right? So metabolic stressors or internal stressors that have to do with our immune system deliver not functioning. The toxins that we're exposed to, the food that we ate. You know, like all of those are, are to a certain degree, a stressor. And then we have the external [00:25:00] stressors, quote unquote, that are our boss that we don't like, or the job that's super high pressure, or the relationship that's strained for whatever reason. And those are all gonna be stressors in a different way, but still impacting our adrenals, which then impacts everything else in the body.
So at the core of it, like. Supporting the cortisol and melatonin pathways are going to support healing the body on a fundamental level and are going to make you more stress resilient, which is a fancy way of saying like, You are not get necessarily getting rid of all of the stress because most of it isn't going anywhere.
right? Like your body's still, like you're still breathing the air in, that you breathe in. But if you can lower the burden, the total toxin burden on all [00:26:00] levels. and if you can build in some extra stress resilience, now your body has the capability to say, Hey, I can shift from survival into thriving, and I'm okay to turn this reproductive switch back on.
So, We really have to get to that point of like all the other stuff is taken care of and the body, and honestly we're saying body cuz we're focusing on women. But it's just as important for the the male partner. If you have a partner to both of you, really get to this place of everything else is pro. S pro thriving.
I don't, I, I don't wanna,
Julie Michelson: Pro thriving. Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: but it's like there isn't a signal in your body that's like saying, oh my God, if I do this one thing, I'm gonna freak out or I'm going to die. Essentially,
Julie Michelson: right. Which is the, the [00:27:00] signal. And I always say like the. There is no stress response SY system that's different for, you know, I'm late for this appointment versus like there's a tiger on my rear-end. , like in internally, you get that same response
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yes. Yes, exactly.
Julie Michelson: Is there, is there something you like couples to do?
Well, cuz I'm thinking as we're talking about this, like even if somebody is doing all the work and has checked all the boxes, if they'll, they're already in a cycle of fertility struggles. That's such a big stressor. And I remember
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah, the fertility stress is,
Julie Michelson: trying to have a baby and the doctors would say, you know, just relax.
It'll happen. And it's like, well, It's
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: you wanna punch
Julie Michelson: start. Yes, yes.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: you totally wanna punch the person that's telling you to just
Julie Michelson: So that's an extra level of chronic stress that, that somebody is, is needing [00:28:00] to manage. And I love that you pointed out, it's really about building resilience. It's the same thing with all like resilience to talk all of it, right.
Reducing the burden enough to get. That resilience because I, I have yet to find anybody who successfully lives in a bubble, you know, on an island
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: totally. Stress free
Julie Michelson: yeah, yeah, . So, but do you have like a starting point for people or something for people to consider, you know, if they're already in that, because it can be intense trying to start a.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. So I think. My advice to a lot of couples is do the testing upfront. Right? A lot of times PE doctors are like, well, you're under the age of 35. You can try for 12 months unsuccessfully before we will test your hormones and sperm, and sperm often waits for like two years. Sometimes I'm like, oh, [00:29:00] you're fine.
You're only 30. I'm like, I've seen. 25 year old men with super crappy sperm. So
Julie Michelson: these days,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. So like age has barely anything to do with it. So my
Julie Michelson: and that's set. Sorry, go ahead.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. So my advice is really to do that testing upfront. E maybe you give it like two months of trying and you're like, okay, look, let's just test a no. And. When you know you have more power to do something about it and it doesn't mean you have something wrong. Like a lot of times people are like, I don't wanna test cuz I don't wanna know if something's wrong with me. And I'm like, well, so then you'd rather wait for an entire year where you're constantly on this roller coaster of, am I pregnant?
Crap, I'm not pregnant again. And you go through that cycle over and over again
Julie Michelson: brutal.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: only to be like, I don't know what I'm doing and you're still [00:30:00] going to, at that point, gonna need to test anyway,
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: so save yourself.
Julie Michelson: that knowledge is power cuz all it's a, you know, most of what the tests are gonna turn up are things you can do something about. You know I, and, and that just brings up the, the healthcare system. The traditional healthcare system really hasn't. changed since all those myths.
I, I know somebody who's young who miscarried last week, and when she went to the doctor, they said, well, we're not gonna do any testing until you have your third miscarriage.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. Oh yeah. . I'm
Julie Michelson: Well, I, I'm sorry. What?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Miscarriages? Yes.
Julie Michelson: horrible.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Y it's Har. It's awful. It's awful. And I think that it's really like, , it's, it's hard to be in multiple ways in this, right? Like as the c, the client that's going [00:31:00] through this process and they're going to their doctor, and the doctor is like, oh no, you're fine.
You can do this testing later. And, and then you're like, okay, I guess that's normal and I should like stop worrying about it and maybe it's okay that I have three miscarriages, but your body is every single time you have a loss, it's going into survival mode. , right? It's literally like, oh my God, I'm dying.
And that degree of stress is going to make another loss that much more like. So if we're not healing in between, like you have a loss, fine, it happened once. Let's figure out why it happened. And yes, there are lots of reasons why miscarriages happened and like, I'm just like, don't believe your doctors don't believe them.
Julie Michelson: Oh, I got so angry when I heard that last week. I was like, you've got to be kidding me.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. [00:32:00] Yeah, it's, it's really common and, and like I was just talking to a colleague of mine who is trained as a naturopathic doctor. She's really smart. And she had a miscarriage. She went to the doctor, her OB was like, oh, no worries. Just try again. It'll be fine. Just give it two months and then you'll be fine.
And sure enough, she's pregnant again. And I was like, Crap. Like you didn't think to pause and do any testing. And I like, I she's one of my really good friends. I hope it works out for her, but I'm also like, this is the, the problem with our system and it's so global. And unless you're in this field where you're like, wait, I'm gonna think about this differently, even for yourself, it is.
So traumatic to be like, yeah, let's just try again and hopefully it's fine. And honestly, like she's 40, she doesn't have time to try again [00:33:00] if this is another situation. So
Julie Michelson: right.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I'm knocking on wood like not wishing this up upon her at all, but it's just an example of like the, even the most knowledgeable, skilled.
People are being given this message of like, it's okay, just try again. And to me, if I were to go through that, I would really just be like, that's not good enough. Like I don't want to go through this again. It's painful. It's emotionally draining and it's just bad medicine. Like it's completely disgraceful that we even have the nerve to tell women to go.
Three miscarriages before they do something about it,
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: the level of [00:34:00] testing, the level of testing that they do. Is like still the tip of the iceberg and it accounts only for like 10% of the losses. So the other 90% they're gonna say, sorry, unexplained miscarriage. And there are still tests that they should be doing for that other 90% that never get done.
So, so sorry I went on a rant.
Julie Michelson: No, don't, don't be sorry. Can you share with us some of those tests, things that people could be asking
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Totally, I think. I think looking for autoimmune conditions should be at the top of the list, right? So we're doing these like super heavy duty genetic tests before doing the basics, which is autoimmune. Like just test ana, it's like $15 tests, anti-nuclear antibodies. That's a very global marker for autoimmune conditions.
It's almost always gonna be elevated if you have some sort of auto. And [00:35:00] you don't need to know exactly which autoimmune it is. If you know that it's autoimmune, then you can like work deeper on that.
Julie Michelson: Can you say that again? I love
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: yes. If, if, if you have, if a n a anti-nuclear antibodies come out positive, then you have some autoimmune condition.
You don't. At that point, you may not know exactly which one, however.
Julie Michelson: matter.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: matter. , it doesn't matter. It's like autoimmune is autoimmune is autoimmune and you're gonna approach it the same way, regardless of which autoimmune it is. Granton, you might wanna know, you might wanna be like, actually I have these joint pains and that might, it might help me to know that I have rheumatoid arthritis, not
Julie Michelson: right.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: But at the end of the day, the, the protocol, the approach to. Healing it in your body is going to be pretty identical regardless of what it is. [00:36:00] So Ana like kind of the tip of the iceberg. The simplest, easiest, cheapest test that you can get is not happening at is part of the recurrent pregnancy loss.
Lists of tests. So that's number one. number two is testing the guys. So DNA fragmentation on the guise. And what we do in our practice is something called homocysteine, inflammation markers, c r P, et cetera. And blood sugar and insulin. And those, believe it or not, have been connected to pregnancy loss.
So, What they have found, and this is a crazy, crazy wild story because the whole time I've been working in fertility, pregnancy loss has always been a big percentage of it, and I love it because I hate the idea that anyone goes through this more than once. So we, [00:37:00] we were testing all of the guys on all of these markers, and I noticed very early on I was like, wait, almost every single guy that we test with a partner who has had a loss, has either high homocysteine or high blood sugar levels, or high insulin
Julie Michelson: I have goosebumps, like, why don't people know this?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Even there are like hundreds of doctors that I tell this to and they're like, what? You just blew my mind. And so for years I was like, I swear I'm crazy, but this is a pattern. Like, I swear this is a pattern. And two years ago we, I started seeing the studies coming out saying the exact same thing, homocystine and blood sugar are connected in the male to pregnancy loss in the female.
And what's exciting about that is because a, it's really super easy to fix, but b , it's it's the male partner and most of these guys have really great sperm. [00:38:00] So it's never caught on a sperm test. Never ever, ever does it show up as like, oh, you're a sperm are not so great. Maybe we should do something about it.
No, these markers are completely independent. It is impacting the outcome of the pregnancy, and there are studies on that show that it's impacting the outcome of the pregnancy. So,
Julie Michelson: Even, even beyond that, if you, if you think about once they have, you know, a healthy pregnancy that results in a baby,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah.
Julie Michelson: these guys are gonna be so much healthier long term because a, like you said, these are easy things to fix. Once you know they're there and they're so important. I mean, you don't want high homocysteine and you certainly don't want high blood sugar, which is way too common these
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: my goodness. And, and the number of times guys are, and I'm like, I've repeatedly told guys like, oh, you're borderline diabetic. Did your doctor talk to you about that? [00:39:00] They're like, no, what are you talking about? I'm not pre-diabetic. I'm like, well, first of all, you have all this abdominal weight. We're gonna need to do something about that. But second of all, like here's your lab test. It says right on the lab like you're pre-diabetic. Right.
Julie Michelson: here's your a1c right
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yes. Yes, exactly. So we're gonna need to do something about it. And a majority of the time they. We had one guy, the woman has P C O S, so inherently she had some things leading into the pro the issue, but they've been on this journey for three years.
Three miscarriages, no, like never been tested for anything outside of her hormones and like, oh, you're not getting pregnant cuz it's P c o S.
Julie Michelson: right?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: The guy comes in and I'm like, this dude is like 30 pounds overweight. And I'm like, sure. He's. Yeah, it's true. He's got blood sugar issues. He doesn't have enough testosterone, like all these things, right?
And I'm [00:40:00] like, oh, this is gonna be awesome. . So within a month,
Julie Michelson: you.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. I'm like, oh yes, we wanna work on her P C O S, but we really need to work over here and get him to the point where he feels amazing. And the funniest part was we worked with him for a couple of. He lost, he lost like 45 pounds in three months or something like that.
And we had, we essentially didn't do anything except eat healthier , right? Like there was no diet, there was no like massive change. It was just like, here's the guidelines. Eat anything you like on this.
Julie Michelson: Real food. Eat
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. . Yeah. And and his blood sugar levels went down, his homocysteine went down, and the best part was, so I didn't tell you, but I couldn't actually stay erect.
So.
Julie Michelson: well, that'll also make it harder to
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Fixed. Like never [00:41:00] told, like hasn't talked
Julie Michelson: wasn't
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: It wasn't like a thing, but he's like, oh yeah, that fixed itself. And I was like, what? That's amazing. it's, you know, it, I feel like I'm getting super excited because I feel like the male part of this is so ignored, but the minute you start paying attention to it, Massively different outcomes.
They got pregnant in four months. They're in their like light later part of their second trimester. So they're doing really, really well. They're past like every miscarriage she's ever had, and. And they got pregnant in four months. , it's like it doesn't have to take forever, right? It's like when you do the things that can click into place quickly, it doesn't have to take a year, it doesn't even have to take six months.
It can be super fast, efficient, [00:42:00] but also like going to increase the outcome of you having a healthy baby,
Julie Michelson: Which is so amazing, and what I love the most about this conversation is, you know, yes, the g the gift of helping people have families, but really this is actual truly preventative medicine.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I agree. This is why I got into this. It's totally why I got into this. So I didn't, I didn't know it when I was going through my fertility questions, but my mom had passed away from cancer and I had done all this research and study and training honestly in cancer therapy and. I thought I was gonna be a cancer specialist cuz my mom had been through it.
And I realized that what I was really passionate about is like how do we prevent all of it? So when all the fertility stuff came up and, and like at some point I started crying cuz I couldn't have. Put all of those [00:43:00] things together better. But it was a big part of just like couldn't we have a healthier planet and healthier children and healthier families that these guys no longer are pre-diabetic and they now have a longer lifespan, a long he healthier lifespan just from going through fertility issues.
Julie Michelson: and then that means the whole family is going to be eating real food and the whole family is gonna be aware of toxins and the whole family. And that's, that's how we get to the healthier planet. That's always my most exciting part. It's the trickle down. It's that butterfly effect.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: yeah. Absolutely. I
Julie Michelson: you're starting out, like, you know, these kiddos aren't gonna have to course correct.
They're the, these families are just on the right path,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yeah. And, and I tell them all the time, I'm like, please keep doing this after you have your child. Like,
Julie Michelson: forget like yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: it's really easy to get like, oh, we're busy. Oh, the stress of [00:44:00] like having a new child. But I think sustaining as much as you can, or even like weaving in as many of these lifestyle things as you can continue doing, gonna have a healthier life because of.
Julie Michelson: And you know, cuz we talk off air about, you know, it's a process, right? Like I'm still working on it. You're still working
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Mm. Always a work in progress.
Julie Michelson: it's, it is, it's a process. Well, clearly the universe had intentions. For you and your gifts. And I am so grateful that I know I, I can only ima I wish when I was wanting to start my family and struggling that, that I hadn't had you but you weren't doing this yet back then.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I was
Julie Michelson: you So, but it is, it, it is such a gift to, to everybody and to the future. And I'm so, I'm so grateful that you joined us today to, to share some of your [00:45:00] sunshine and light and, and knowledge with us is amazing. So what is one step that listeners can take today and. Well, why we just were talking about, yes, this was about fertility, right?
And But anybody, whether you're like me and you are way past having your children what's one thing people can, can do today to start to improve their
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: I think, I think the lowest hanging fruit is toxin. Lowering the toxin burden, right? And I think that that can happen in a lot of subtle ways. So that is a really good starting point and we didn't get into like all the toxins that are in the environment, so I'm happy to share with all of your listeners.
The Divas Detox Guide, which is basically a PDF I created to like walk them through every part of their house to detox all the stuff that affects fertil.
Julie Michelson: I love that, and I don't think it's out yet, but this is [00:46:00] what we talk about together on your podcast as well.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: we've talked
Julie Michelson: if you wanna do a deeper dive with both of us on toxins,
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yep.
Julie Michelson: But
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Actually we could, I don't, we, we can coordinate, we can link my podcast to yours if you wanna do back and
Julie Michelson: would be
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: cuz I feel like they. We talked so much about the toxins that are affecting fertility, and it would be really great for people to be able to hear that because it's just like we didn't get into it.
And
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: there's other content out there, so
Julie Michelson: I love it and we'll link to, to the guide and, and what a, what a great gift. And I love that you, that you were like clear about like the smallest steps we can take. Cuz again, it's a process and so it can be overwhelming if you think, oh, oh my gosh, I need to be totally to like, again, can't achieve toxin free if you're living on [00:47:00] the planet.
So, Just taking those, those small, I'll even add imperfect steps you know, still really do move that needle.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Yep.
Progress over perfection. Love that.
Julie Michelson: So before we wrap up, for people listening on the go that aren't gonna check the show notes, where's the best place for them to find you?
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: on Instagram at Holistic Fertility. Doctor, you, there's like tons and tons of content on there and you're welcome to DM me if you're like, Hey, you said this thing. I have a question. Whatever. We are very much active on Instagram.
Julie Michelson: and Dr. Ahma is, she is just the kindest, most generous soul. So really hit her up if you have questions. And if you are listening to this and you are in that place where you are getting ready to start a family, seriously connect with her. She is amazing and she helps so many people reach that dream.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Thank you. Thanks so [00:48:00] much for having me and letting me share this message. know that, gosh, like the things that you support people with the fertility Jo, there's just so many pieces that I feel like connecting the dots and like having us all working together to achieve this like vision that we all have for a healthier planet is, it's happening.
It will happen.
Julie Michelson: This is why we have these conversations. Absolutely. So, oh mama, thank you so much. You've shared amazing gold with us today.
Aumatma Shah-Simmons: Thank you.
Julie Michelson: For everyone listening. Remember, you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting Inspired Living Show. I hope I had a great time and enjoyed this episode as much as I did.
I'll see you next week.
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Dr. Aumatma is a double board-certified Naturopathic Doctor & Endocrinologist, in practice for 15 years. Dr Aumatma supports badass power couples to create the family of their dreams, and also trains doctors who want to specialize in fertility. She is the best-selling author of "Fertility Secrets: What Your Doctor Didn't Tell You About Baby-Making.” She is on a mission to help bring healthier babies into the world by creating healthier parents and the planet. Dr. Aumatma has been featured on ABC, FOX, CBS, KTLA, MindBodyGreen, and The Bump as the Holistic Fertility Doctor. Reach out to work/ train with Dr Aumatma: IG/TikTok @holsiticfertilitydoctor or www.holisticfertilityinstitute.com
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