Episode 19
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Today we are joined by Jane Hogan, The Wellness Engineer. Jane helps us connect science and spirituality…and walks us through how we can use that knowledge to facilitate healing. She leads a beautiful Loving Presence exercise to allow us to tap into the healing vibration that we all have in our heart, which can allow us to reclaim our health.
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Julie Michelson: Welcome back to the inspired living with auto-immunity podcast. I'm your host, Julie Michelson. And today we're joined by Jane Hogan, the wellness engineer to help us connect science and spirituality. And how we can use that knowledge to facilitate healing. Jane leads us through a beautiful, loving presence exercise to allow us to tap into the healing vibration that we all have in our heart, which can [Page//00:01:00] allow us to reclaim our health.
[Page//00:01:02] Jane welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you with us today.
[Page//00:01:08] Jane Hogan: Julie, I'm thrilled to be on your podcast and share what I have learned with your audience.
[Page//00:01:15] Julie Michelson: And you and I have fairly similar stories. Of course, you know, there's always this crossover and then always a lot of unique travels. But I love starting with. You know, how did you get to be the wellness engineer? Because most of us in this world, you know, didn't decide when we were 10 that we wanted to enter the functional medicine space.
[Page//00:01:40] I don't even know if there was such a thing when I was 10, but
[Page//00:01:43] Jane Hogan: I don't think.
[Page//00:01:44] Julie Michelson: I would love for you to, to share your story with us because it, you know, you know, is close to my heart and I think it'll speak to many, many listeners.
[Page//00:01:56] Jane Hogan: Yes. Yes. They'll they'll understand when I tell my story, if they know [Page//00:02:00] your story. Yeah, so I was working as an engineer. I had a successful career as a civil engineer, and actually I taught at a college. Things go well, and then I had a very stressful year. It was a bunch of things, one on top of the other, and.
[Page//00:02:16] My health just took a decline like in, within about three weeks, I just turned 50. And about three weeks after I turned 50, I started getting this migrating joint pain. And it was like so bad that my, you know, my shoulder would hurt and my arm would have to go in a sling. And then like the weird thing is the next day it would be the other shoulder and it's just kind of kept on happening.
[Page//00:02:39] It was like my fingers, my hands. My wrists, my knees, my feet, and it, and my jaw, it just kept getting on getting like worse and worse. And I thought, okay, I just need a vacation and all this to be over and I'm going to be fine. So I went on, I had my summer vacations from [Page//00:03:00] from my job and I thought, okay, like a bit of rest and I'm going to be all right.
[Page//00:03:04] And Nope, I just continued to get worse. And I actually had. Big inflammation on my knees and could hardly walk. And couldn't, I couldn't make a fist with my hands, like stuck in rooms. Cause I couldn't turn the door handle. I couldn't squeeze shampoo out of the bottle. You know, these are the things I remember now, these functional things that I couldn't do. And I was it, it was out of control and it happened so quickly. It was in about three months, really felt totally out of control. And I was just coming up to my freedom years and literally just had an empty nest and my husband and I had all these plans for travel. And I was like, I'm not going to be able to do anything.
[Page//00:03:45] I was. And he's not going to be able to travel either. Cause I won't be able to travel and, and grandkids, like I'm not going to be able to run around with them and play with them. And I was, I was just really I was afraid and I started, of course we [Page//00:04:00] Google. Right? Of course we go go. So I started Googling and you know, all these symptoms and it was looking a lot like rheumatoid arthritis and I had no idea what rheumatoid arthritis.
[Page//00:04:13] I didn't know. I wasn't aware of anyone that any of my friends that had an auto immune condition, I didn't even know that rheumatoid arthritis was an autoimmune condition. Anyway, as I started researching it, it's pretty bleak as you know, because I'm sure you did the same thing in Google. And, you know, the long-term prospects look terrible, progressively worse.
[Page//00:04:36] There is no cure. The medications had horrible side effects, but I, I just, I didn't know what to do. Honestly. I didn't know what to do. I didn't have a diagnosis at that point, but my family doctor, and I'm so blessed to have. This family doctor who suggested that sometimes joint pain can be related to food or made [Page//00:05:00] worse by foods.
[Page//00:05:00] I'm like
[Page//00:05:01] Julie Michelson: Hmm.
[Page//00:05:02] Jane Hogan: There's no. How could that be related? Of course, I know there's a big relationship now. So she said that most inflammatory foods were gluten, dairy and sugar. So. Them out cold Turkey immediately, like within about five days, like big reduction in pain, I was like, okay, this changes everything.
[Page//00:05:21] Now there's something I can do. And so there was this real sense of empowerment. And so I made a decision like, okay, I'm, I'm gonna do this. I'm going to figure this out. I'm an engineer. I figure things out. That's what we do. We problem solve. So I started trying and learning more along the way. I knew stress had brought this on.
[Page//00:05:41] So stress had to be related, sleep and movement and all these things. I just started doing a whole lot of different things, not a clue what I was doing and making keeping track of things like how my pain levels and sleep and weight. And I had my mood and all these kinds of things, and I [Page//00:06:00] was graphing them and charting them.
[Page//00:06:01] Julie Michelson: Sounds like an engineer.
[Page//00:06:03] Jane Hogan: I know, I know I was just like, okay, this is a problem to solve. So I just did my problem solving. And so I started learning a lot along the way. By the time I actually got the diagnosis, I was kind of like on my way and doing, figuring a lot of stuff out. But when I found Julie is that I would get so far and then I would plateau a little bit and I'd have to go, okay, what's going on here.
[Page//00:06:25] Figure something else out and then a little bit better and then plateau again. And so. I kept on thinking like what's going on. I'm doing all the food that everyone says. So by then I was doing. Kind of AIP, but I also tried plant based. I tried leg try it at all. I didn't try carnivore though, but I did try a lot of different things and I, you know, a lot of different supplements and I was researching and all these things I decided to do become a functional medicine, certified health coach.
[Page//00:06:53] Not that I was actually planning on coaching, but I thought I want to learn more about it. So I. [Page//00:07:00] But I can understand for myself and then maybe help other people. So I want to get into the emotion side afterwards, but I'll just stop there for now to see if you have any questions about that part.
[Page//00:07:10] Julie Michelson: I, I don't have questions, but I have, I do want to circle back. First of all, I was diagnosed pre-Google or it might've been a thing, but I don't know, better, worse, you know, I didn't know. It's a, it can be a scary rabbit hole, but it also can, you know, give you ideas and tools. I. Love your doctor. I mean, I, I love the fact because, and that's where even though our diagnoses, or at least that was one of mine were the same again, this is there.
[Page//00:07:45] There's always overlap and there's always such a wildly different story. And I basically my rheumatologist told me what Google told you, you know, the whole, no hope you'll only decline. You know,
[Page//00:07:57] Jane Hogan: Harry story.
[Page//00:07:58] Julie Michelson: Yeah. Yeah. I [Page//00:08:00] didn't have that D you know, I kept saying, well, what about food? And what about this? And what about that?
[Page//00:08:04] And so I'm so grateful for everybody that you touch. Cause I know you touch so many lives that you were so quickly just guided in the right direction as a start. And I know because I know from my story and we have very similar training and, and it's never just one thing and it, it, it. Only diet and sleep and movement and detox, but we're going to talk about, you know, you, you really do, I think focus on and you correct me.
[Page//00:08:41] You know, this, the mindset, the mind, body connection. I know you do a lot of breath work and we're going to do some of that as we get rolling. But. I w I want, so I would love for you, which I think was the next step of where you're going to explain for us, because here you are this engineer, [Page//00:09:00] right.
[Page//00:09:00] And this is always, I get really excited. I I've had scientists on and, and, and, you know, the, I was definitely one of those people who. Thought things like mindset and mind, body connection, and, you know, was all woo. And, you know, what did it really mean? And how does it work? And I didn't understand quantum physics and I didn't understand the body.
[Page//00:09:23] So explain for us miss wellness engineer. This connection between science and spirituality when it comes to our health. and maybe I'm jumping ahead. Maybe you want to go back to how you filled in that, that other piece to keep you consistently improving. But that, that's where I would love to.
[Page//00:09:46] That's where the gold is.
[Page//00:09:48] Jane Hogan: Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. So yeah, I did have this real science-y background. Yet all this I knew was brought on by stress, but I also, interestingly. Was [Page//00:10:00] trained in Reiki. I had this real interest in the Wu and and I don't know really where that came from. Maybe like now I believe soul's calling, but anyway I had this interest.
[Page//00:10:12] Had trained in Reiki. I, I, I did, I didn't practice meditation regularly, but I was involved in a meditation group and I had done Tai Chi, which is, you know, all about energy moving in the body and so on. So I did have this spiritual side as well. So the science and the spirituality and. I kind of kept come to believe that they're actually the same.
[Page//00:10:37] They they're coming together. So the science is proving the spirituality. So along my journey, I, I came to realize that, okay, stress brought this on stress has gotta be something to do with it. I love the, all the mind body components in our training. As you know, every month we had a. We had a mind body component.
[Page//00:10:58] Right. And I just loved [Page//00:11:00] that and it really hearing other people talking about it and combining it with the science side really appealed to me. I love that aspect of the program. And so I started to realize though it wasn't just the stress of that. That one year that was, you know, what tipped the bucket over.
[Page//00:11:19] I realized that I carried a lot of stress, my whole life, you know, feelings we have inside about ourselves, what we believe about ourselves. And I, you know, I don't need to get in to how that happened. It just, you know, whatever we learn things when, before the age of seven, we take them to be true. And then we carry that throughout life.
[Page//00:11:38] And So I didn't have like a, you know, a really adverse childhood or anything like that. But, you know, we, it doesn't have to be that bad to trigger some of these things. There's a lot of science behind early childhood adverse childhood events. The ACE is called the ACE score and auto immune conditions.
[Page//00:11:56] They kind of go hand in there. I understand it [Page//00:12:00] now. So eventually I decided, you know, I'm not that happy in my job and I want to follow my soul. What I believe is my soul's calling now, and that is to help other people get, understand that they are empowered in their health. Because what I realized is that we are a physical body and it's in an inbox.
[Page//00:12:18] But we are in control of that environment and the environment does include food. It does include movement. It does include all the toxins or lack of toxins. It does include the relationships. It also includes our thoughts, right? The thoughts that we think and so on. So this though the thoughts that we think affect our physical body, Deepak Chopra has said this, the mind creates the body. Which is very interesting. Quantum physics tells us that everything is energy. Everything is energy, including us. We are actually energetic beings compressed in physical form. So. What we should have energy flowing. That's the [Page//00:13:00] Chinese medicine, the yoga talks about that, right? Per Ana. So we should have his energy flowing and when this energy isn't flowing, that's when we get disease or pain or, you know, we don't even have to label it as anything.
[Page//00:13:15] It's just energy, not flowing like it should. And to me it seems very clear now. And so one of the things I do is help people get that energy flowing again and numerous ways to do that. The breath is one, the breath represents energy in our bodies. So love starting with the breath. And in fact, I think.
[Page//00:13:37] If you're not, if you're not working with the breath, nothing else really matters. Like you can't ignore breath work and how we're breathing. I mean, even when it comes down to, for example, eating our food, if you're eating the healthiest food and like shoving it in and feeling like really crappy while you're eating.
[Page//00:13:57] It's not going to digest. You're not, you're not, you're going to [Page//00:14:00] be in a state of a state of fight or flight, you know, that, that sympathetic state, instead of the parasympathetic state, where all the healing happens. So without a physical body, we have an an energetic body as well. And that energetic. It, it dictates our physical body.
[Page//00:14:18] It's our physical bodies is a representation of what's going on in that, in that energetic body.
[Page//00:14:26] Julie Michelson: Well, there's so much to unpack there. I want to circle back and I love your evolution. And my, you know, the, the, when I first started coaching years ago, it was, you know, the first thing I did with everybody was diet, you know, like, what are you eating? We need to. And now I'm like, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that.
[Page//00:14:48] Jane Hogan: Yes.
[Page//00:14:49] Julie Michelson: Because I, as we have both learned the mindset piece and the breath work and the energy [Page//00:15:00] is. Hey, it's essential. But also I always joke. I was so fortunate because I too was healing on my own and trying and doing, and this would help a little bit and that would help a little bit and you know, what's next.
[Page//00:15:17] And what else can I do? And I say to so many people, I'm so fortunate that just. Like the two things that really started to move the needle for me to even clear my brain fog enough, to learn more were diet and meditation, like regular, not dabbling, true dedicated meditation practice. But knowing what I know now, I'm so fortunate that I even got the needle to move as much as they did without, you know, adding in these other pieces.
[Page//00:15:46] And so I, to now, I mean, we start there because then it's exponential, then all that other stuff really can create big shifts. and I love the, the [Page//00:16:00] science behind it. You know, all of the modalities you just mentioned are thousands of years old.
[Page//00:16:07] Jane Hogan: Yes. Yes.
[Page//00:16:08] Julie Michelson: of years old. And yet, you know, now we are, you know, finally have some data to back it up.
[Page//00:16:15] I'm like people knew this, you know, living on the mountain tops ages of. And it doesn't matter if it's, you know, yoga or acupuncture or Tai Chi or, I mean, you name it. It basically is all energy movement, you know, a lot of different words for the same thing. And
[Page//00:16:36] Jane Hogan: come, they all compliment each other. They're not in in disharmony with each other. They compliment each other. It doesn't matter what you do with what you do. As long as the energy is moving and you're feeling good. I think people don't realize how important feelings are because feelings are actually, well, feelings come from our thoughts. Thoughts create the emotions, [Page//00:17:00] feelings, the feelings. I, I see feelings as there's an emotional component, but there's a physical component feelings create vibration in our body. And so if you think about it, you feel differently inside when you're feeling like love and joy, then you feel when, if you're having the emotion of sadness, right.
[Page//00:17:19] It just physically is different in your body. And so that is the response. And if we're, if we're in a state, that's not a harmonious vibration. If we're having that emotion, that's not creating a harmonious vibration. All of our cells, they have receptors on, on ourselves that they're picking that up and they're like, okay, trouble out there.
[Page//00:17:39] You know, let's, let's not we, we might need to go into battle or something like that. So our cells like really respond to that. And so ourselves. They're creating the DNA to create new cells so that our new us is created from these vibrations. But what's really hard. And I [Page//00:18:00] understand this and you probably see this with your clients too.
[Page//00:18:02] Julie, is that. When you are, when you get a diagnosis like that, it's very fearful. It's hard. And when you're in pain, that's very upsetting. So it's, it's very hard to to not feel those negative emotions when you're in that state. So that's where the real work is that like, that is where the work is, right.
[Page//00:18:25] Julie Michelson: Absolutely. And you, you mentioned earlier, you know, this, the power of the thoughts and the thoughts we're aware of and the thoughts that we're not aware of right there. And.
[Page//00:18:35] Jane Hogan: those two.
[Page//00:18:36] Julie Michelson: I always say, you know, the, you talk about you know, how, how we are forming informing before the age of seven. And it is the same process of.
[Page//00:18:50] Our body believes our thoughts as truth. It hears them. It believes that they could be, we could know, as we're thinking it, it's not true. It doesn't matter. The body just [Page//00:19:00] hears that and takes that on as truth. And then as you said, it creates that state. And so there is so much. Power in the, it people say, well, oh my gosh, that's right.
[Page//00:19:13] I'm while I'm in pain. And I just got a scary diagnosis and you know, you want me to change my thoughts? You want me to,
[Page//00:19:21] Jane Hogan: Yeah.
[Page//00:19:22] Julie Michelson: take how, how, how do you expect me to do that? And, and so the, the good news is we can use that information. To plant new thoughts and to, and to do the work, like you said, to get that energy flowing and, you know, dislodge those blocks and get that healing started. And I know when you talk about energy flow, as you said, one of the things that you do with your clients and focus on is breath work. And, and we're gonna focus on breath, work for healing, but I was. Just had a [Page//00:20:00] conversation this morning had nothing to do with healing. Didn't do it. You know, everybody thinks, well, I breathe, right.
[Page//00:20:05] We, we breathe. But I was having a conversation about scuba diving cause I'm in the middle of working on my open water certification and, and was talking to somebody this morning who was saying, oh my gosh, I love scuba diving. It's so peaceful. And then he chuckled and he said, Once you learn to control your breath.
[Page//00:20:26] Like, I mean, and that is the whole, it was such a beautiful analogy for, I didn't, as you were talking, it was piecing together for me. I don't know if you have ever scuba dived. But so then, you know, when you don't control your breath, you know, your breath affects your buoyancy.
[Page//00:20:45] Jane Hogan: Yeah.
[Page//00:20:46] Julie Michelson: So you think of, if your breath is out of control and then you're moving around in the water and then that's skirt starting that stress response.
[Page//00:20:54] It's the same thing. And so yes, obviously anybody listening to this is breathing. [Page//00:21:00] We know you're breathing but we are breathing well. We aren't breathing fully and we aren't using breathing as a tool. To move energy intentionally. And I believe that Jane is going to walk us through how to do that a little bit today.
[Page//00:21:18] Jane Hogan: Yeah. I'd love to thanks so much for the opportunity. Yeah, the, the breath we are terrible breathers. There's. There's a quote, I've just finished reading breath by James nester. Like it's nothing to do with the Wu. It's all about the science. So I highly recommend that book for people to read just because we are, a lot of us are mouth breathers.
[Page//00:21:38] We're, we're breathing too quickly. We're taking in too much oxygen. There's a whole thing around that. You know, we don't want to take in too much oxygen. There's, it's a bit of a, it seems like an oxymoron, but we need the carbon dioxide to shuttle the oxygen into ourselves. And if we don't have enough carbon dioxide, it doesn't happen.
[Page//00:21:55] So so yeah, this is quite interesting, but I like, I like to use the [Page//00:22:00] breath to To create a, an emotional state in the body and to really kind of get it, get it moving, but I really would love to do a practice with your audience today, Julie, on creating like a loving presence in their body.
[Page//00:22:14] Julie Michelson: Yes, please.
[Page//00:22:15] Jane Hogan: I love this.
[Page//00:22:16] I love this because, well, when you create a loving presence, you're creating a vibration. That is a very healing vibration. We're going to use the heart. The heart is the most powerful electromagnet. Oregon in our body. It sends out a signal like 10 feet away from us, which can be measured with instruments.
[Page//00:22:36] We have now. I mean, who knows really how far it goes. So we are sending out the signal all around us, and I love this tool as well because you're creating it yourself. You can create any time. So getting back to before I start, I'll just want to talk about how, when people are in pain or when they're feeling all these fearful [Page//00:23:00] emotions, if we can get a little break, like just give your brain a little break, so your body can get back into that healing state.
[Page//00:23:07] And that's what you discovered like with meditation. So meditation can do it. You can do it with, you know, some other thoughts. You can do it with breath work, but any of these things where you just get that little break and then in that moment, You're okay. And then you string together a bunch of those like pearls on a necklace, and then you can gradually have longer and more frequent moments like that throughout your day.
[Page//00:23:32] And then, you know, eventually it just gets better and there's more and more, and it gets easier then to be in that state. So I like to think about it like that, like the pearls on a on a necklace and stringing them to.
[Page//00:23:43] Julie Michelson: I love that visual. It's so many, and I, I will say of us. I was going to say of our clients, but even of us, you know, I was, I declined for over a decade. And I certainly was in a place where I was so stuck in that loop. You were just describing [Page//00:24:00] that. I ha I hadn't. I had lost touch with, what does it feel like to be in a parasympathetic state?
[Page//00:24:05] What is that healing state even. Feel like and I will tell you from experience as I'm sure Jane can attest to, as you string those pearls together, eventually you get to live in that place and it is, it's a beautiful place to live. So
[Page//00:24:21] Jane Hogan: And it's that choice. It's a choice.
[Page//00:24:24] Julie Michelson: Yes. And I will use the word you alluded to you doing something like this breath work technique is it's power, right?
[Page//00:24:32] You said we can do it ourselves. And I know you and I both stand for taking your power back because we can heal.
[Page//00:24:42] Jane Hogan: Absolutely. Absolutely so many stories. I think people hear stories like your story, my story, and other people, then it helps with the hope side. So. At least that takes them out of the despair. And that was something I did in the beginning too. So that's why it's important what you and I are doing. All [Page//00:25:00] right, so let's do this.
[Page//00:25:02] So I, if you're driving, obviously you might want to pause and, and do this afterwards, but what I'm going to ask you to do is just sit comfortably in your chair and let your feet rest on the floor and your hands rest on your own. You can have them palms up or palms, palms down, and then just gently close your eyes breathing in and out through the nose. Just begin to notice your friend and see if you can agree the lower down. So think about breathing into the belly area and then, then your chest and exhaling [Page//00:26:00] might help if you straighten back a little bit, so you can get that breath into the valley and then into the heart. Now I'd like you to imagine that you are filling that heart up with a new, a full breath that you're breathing in and filling the heart and the space around her. The breath you're breathing in, filling up the heart and making it bigger and now bring to mind [Page//00:27:00] a person or maybe a pet. Or a place or a time when you felt LA and now feel that feeling in your heart, breathe into it. Notice how good it feel. And now match and that as you breathe in with every breath, you're going to make it a little bit bigger and imagine on the next breath that it doubles inside this feeling of loss. And now in the next [Page//00:28:00] breath, imagine that it's filling up your entire body. Now imagine that it's going even beyond your body, outside of your physical. It's a feeling of love, just radiating from you and see if you can double it again. Beautiful feeling. So you keep them even fill up the room that you're in [Page//00:29:00] big, big feeling of LA just for a couple of grads, just really feel how good this. Last breath in and exhale with a side. Before you open your eyes, twist your body around, like twist your spine. So you look over to the right and then twist your body around Mr. over the last, coming back to the middle of. And now [Page//00:30:00] slowly open your eyes.
[Page//00:30:07] Julie Michelson: That was amazing. It was amazing. I love, I do something very similar with my clients and I'm just getting into that heart space. Again, it goes back to so many people haven't been there in so long. So.
[Page//00:30:23] Jane Hogan: And there's a, as you know, there's a lot of science behind it as well. So, you know, if you liked this. That's good, but it really, it really helps your body on all levels. It helps all systems of the body and it just gets you right into that parasympathetic state. And that's the only state where healing can happen.
[Page//00:30:42] So that's why it's so important to you. As much as you can. So you can, you can do this any time. You, each of you who listen to this, you generated that yourself. I guided you, but you can generate this yourself anytime you want. And it doesn't even have to be as long as [Page//00:31:00] I just did. You could just, you know, close your eyes or even have your eyes open and just feel that feeling.
[Page//00:31:07] And the more you can get into that feeling of feeling love and joy, the more you're activating the parasympathetic state and the more you're healing.
[Page//00:31:18] Julie Michelson: I love that. I always ask, you know, what one step listeners can take starting today. You obviously just gave us that step. I say, I remember when I first started doing HeartSpace work it was uncomfortable in the beginning and it took me a little while to feel like I had the hang of it to be able to just drop into that space.
[Page//00:31:44] So you guys changes, gave you such a gift that you could listen to this over and over until you feel like you have it down and want to make it yours. And then you can take it and play with it, as Jane said anywhere and everywhere.
[Page//00:31:59] Jane Hogan: [Page//00:32:00] Yes, totally portable. And it's free.
[Page//00:32:02] Julie Michelson: Yeah.
[Page//00:32:03] Jane Hogan: And if you have trouble with, you know, like magic, just like, just go with it, just make it up. Just make it. We're not used to feeling in our body. We're more used to like being stuck in our head. Right. So. It's it's different for people. And you may, you may notice like I, I know even now I tend to get really tight in my solar plexus area, like just under, underneath the ribs.
[Page//00:32:29] So that's a place I have to consciously. Okay. Let's just release into that. So if you have areas of tightness, you can even use your imagination to breathe into that. And just imagine just like we did with the. Just breathing into the place where you're feeling like maybe pain in your shoulder or a lump in your throat or a headache, do the same kind of thing.
[Page//00:32:50] It's, it's very, it's fun and powerful.
[Page//00:32:53] Julie Michelson: It is so powerful. And I just want to tack on, yes, this is such a great way to [Page//00:33:00] get into that parasympathetic state, that healing state, the one. I want to reiterate for everybody is that the body is designed to heal all these things we were talking about. This is the basis. And we know this again, based on science.
[Page//00:33:15] And so, but we do have to be in that parasympathetic state in order to do that. So
[Page//00:33:21] Jane Hogan: I'd like to just add to that. All of the, any pain that we have or disease, it is actually our body calling for our attention. It wants us to give it its attention like this. So it's really a gift. So I know it's hard to accept pain as a gift, but it is a gift it's calling you. It's telling you where you need to pay attention.
[Page//00:33:44] So and when you can reframe it like that too, it makes it a little bit easier. And like, I honestly see the whole, everything I went through as a gift that was leading me in my calling and my purpose. So I know you probably feel the
[Page//00:33:57] Julie Michelson: I absolutely do a million [Page//00:34:00] percent. So
[Page//00:34:00] Jane Hogan: Aren't we lucky? Aren't we lucky.
[Page//00:34:03] Julie Michelson: And, and we, we both know too, as you said, that the pain is information, those symptoms are information. And what I found and see all the time is that it does start as a whisper. And if we don't hear the whisper, it gets louder and louder. And, and so this, this tool is such an amazing tool.
[Page//00:34:23] Stop in his tracks, turn it around and get that healing started. So I thank you so very much for sharing that powerful exercise with everybody before we wrap up, where can listeners find you? And I will have links in the show notes as well, but what's the best place. If somebody was that really resonated and somebody wants to really get ahold of you, where, where should they go?
[Page//00:34:46] Jane Hogan: Well, they can go to my website, JaneHogan.Com and right on the first page, there's a, they can do this download there's three audio files so they can get that. They would like [Page//00:35:00] to I'm on Facebook and Instagram and YouTube and Twitter and Pinterest and LinkedIn. If they just searched Jane Hogan health, they'll find.
[Page//00:35:09] Julie Michelson: Wonderful. Jane, thank you so much. You shared such amazing gold with us today. And again, I cannot encourage listeners enough to use that tool. It is a gift. It's a gift from Jane to you, to your body. So, thank you. Thank you
[Page//00:35:27] Jane Hogan: Oh, it was my great pleasure, Julie. Thank you so much.
[Page//00:35:31] Julie Michelson: for everyone listening. Remember you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting inspiredliving.show. I hope you had a great time and enjoyed this episode as much as I did. I will see you next week.
[Page//00:01:02] Jane welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you with us today.
[Page//00:01:08] Jane Hogan: Julie, I'm thrilled to be on your podcast and share what I have learned with your audience.
[Page//00:01:15] Julie Michelson: And you and I have fairly similar stories. Of course, you know, there's always this crossover and then always a lot of unique travels. But I love starting with. You know, how did you get to be the wellness engineer? Because most of us in this world, you know, didn't decide when we were 10 that we wanted to enter the functional medicine space.
[Page//00:01:40] I don't even know if there was such a thing when I was 10, but
[Page//00:01:43] Jane Hogan: I don't think.
[Page//00:01:44] Julie Michelson: I would love for you to, to share your story with us because it, you know, you know, is close to my heart and I think it'll speak to many, many listeners.
[Page//00:01:56] Jane Hogan: Yes. Yes. They'll they'll understand when I tell my story, if they know [Page//00:02:00] your story. Yeah, so I was working as an engineer. I had a successful career as a civil engineer, and actually I taught at a college. Things go well, and then I had a very stressful year. It was a bunch of things, one on top of the other, and.
[Page//00:02:16] My health just took a decline like in, within about three weeks, I just turned 50. And about three weeks after I turned 50, I started getting this migrating joint pain. And it was like so bad that my, you know, my shoulder would hurt and my arm would have to go in a sling. And then like the weird thing is the next day it would be the other shoulder and it's just kind of kept on happening.
[Page//00:02:39] It was like my fingers, my hands. My wrists, my knees, my feet, and it, and my jaw, it just kept getting on getting like worse and worse. And I thought, okay, I just need a vacation and all this to be over and I'm going to be fine. So I went on, I had my summer vacations from [Page//00:03:00] from my job and I thought, okay, like a bit of rest and I'm going to be all right.
[Page//00:03:04] And Nope, I just continued to get worse. And I actually had. Big inflammation on my knees and could hardly walk. And couldn't, I couldn't make a fist with my hands, like stuck in rooms. Cause I couldn't turn the door handle. I couldn't squeeze shampoo out of the bottle. You know, these are the things I remember now, these functional things that I couldn't do. And I was it, it was out of control and it happened so quickly. It was in about three months, really felt totally out of control. And I was just coming up to my freedom years and literally just had an empty nest and my husband and I had all these plans for travel. And I was like, I'm not going to be able to do anything.
[Page//00:03:45] I was. And he's not going to be able to travel either. Cause I won't be able to travel and, and grandkids, like I'm not going to be able to run around with them and play with them. And I was, I was just really I was afraid and I started, of course we [Page//00:04:00] Google. Right? Of course we go go. So I started Googling and you know, all these symptoms and it was looking a lot like rheumatoid arthritis and I had no idea what rheumatoid arthritis.
[Page//00:04:13] I didn't know. I wasn't aware of anyone that any of my friends that had an auto immune condition, I didn't even know that rheumatoid arthritis was an autoimmune condition. Anyway, as I started researching it, it's pretty bleak as you know, because I'm sure you did the same thing in Google. And, you know, the long-term prospects look terrible, progressively worse.
[Page//00:04:36] There is no cure. The medications had horrible side effects, but I, I just, I didn't know what to do. Honestly. I didn't know what to do. I didn't have a diagnosis at that point, but my family doctor, and I'm so blessed to have. This family doctor who suggested that sometimes joint pain can be related to food or made [Page//00:05:00] worse by foods.
[Page//00:05:00] I'm like
[Page//00:05:01] Julie Michelson: Hmm.
[Page//00:05:02] Jane Hogan: There's no. How could that be related? Of course, I know there's a big relationship now. So she said that most inflammatory foods were gluten, dairy and sugar. So. Them out cold Turkey immediately, like within about five days, like big reduction in pain, I was like, okay, this changes everything.
[Page//00:05:21] Now there's something I can do. And so there was this real sense of empowerment. And so I made a decision like, okay, I'm, I'm gonna do this. I'm going to figure this out. I'm an engineer. I figure things out. That's what we do. We problem solve. So I started trying and learning more along the way. I knew stress had brought this on.
[Page//00:05:41] So stress had to be related, sleep and movement and all these things. I just started doing a whole lot of different things, not a clue what I was doing and making keeping track of things like how my pain levels and sleep and weight. And I had my mood and all these kinds of things, and I [Page//00:06:00] was graphing them and charting them.
[Page//00:06:01] Julie Michelson: Sounds like an engineer.
[Page//00:06:03] Jane Hogan: I know, I know I was just like, okay, this is a problem to solve. So I just did my problem solving. And so I started learning a lot along the way. By the time I actually got the diagnosis, I was kind of like on my way and doing, figuring a lot of stuff out. But when I found Julie is that I would get so far and then I would plateau a little bit and I'd have to go, okay, what's going on here.
[Page//00:06:25] Figure something else out and then a little bit better and then plateau again. And so. I kept on thinking like what's going on. I'm doing all the food that everyone says. So by then I was doing. Kind of AIP, but I also tried plant based. I tried leg try it at all. I didn't try carnivore though, but I did try a lot of different things and I, you know, a lot of different supplements and I was researching and all these things I decided to do become a functional medicine, certified health coach.
[Page//00:06:53] Not that I was actually planning on coaching, but I thought I want to learn more about it. So I. [Page//00:07:00] But I can understand for myself and then maybe help other people. So I want to get into the emotion side afterwards, but I'll just stop there for now to see if you have any questions about that part.
[Page//00:07:10] Julie Michelson: I, I don't have questions, but I have, I do want to circle back. First of all, I was diagnosed pre-Google or it might've been a thing, but I don't know, better, worse, you know, I didn't know. It's a, it can be a scary rabbit hole, but it also can, you know, give you ideas and tools. I. Love your doctor. I mean, I, I love the fact because, and that's where even though our diagnoses, or at least that was one of mine were the same again, this is there.
[Page//00:07:45] There's always overlap and there's always such a wildly different story. And I basically my rheumatologist told me what Google told you, you know, the whole, no hope you'll only decline. You know,
[Page//00:07:57] Jane Hogan: Harry story.
[Page//00:07:58] Julie Michelson: Yeah. Yeah. I [Page//00:08:00] didn't have that D you know, I kept saying, well, what about food? And what about this? And what about that?
[Page//00:08:04] And so I'm so grateful for everybody that you touch. Cause I know you touch so many lives that you were so quickly just guided in the right direction as a start. And I know because I know from my story and we have very similar training and, and it's never just one thing and it, it, it. Only diet and sleep and movement and detox, but we're going to talk about, you know, you, you really do, I think focus on and you correct me.
[Page//00:08:41] You know, this, the mindset, the mind, body connection. I know you do a lot of breath work and we're going to do some of that as we get rolling. But. I w I want, so I would love for you, which I think was the next step of where you're going to explain for us, because here you are this engineer, [Page//00:09:00] right.
[Page//00:09:00] And this is always, I get really excited. I I've had scientists on and, and, and, you know, the, I was definitely one of those people who. Thought things like mindset and mind, body connection, and, you know, was all woo. And, you know, what did it really mean? And how does it work? And I didn't understand quantum physics and I didn't understand the body.
[Page//00:09:23] So explain for us miss wellness engineer. This connection between science and spirituality when it comes to our health. and maybe I'm jumping ahead. Maybe you want to go back to how you filled in that, that other piece to keep you consistently improving. But that, that's where I would love to.
[Page//00:09:46] That's where the gold is.
[Page//00:09:48] Jane Hogan: Yeah. Perfect. Perfect. So yeah, I did have this real science-y background. Yet all this I knew was brought on by stress, but I also, interestingly. Was [Page//00:10:00] trained in Reiki. I had this real interest in the Wu and and I don't know really where that came from. Maybe like now I believe soul's calling, but anyway I had this interest.
[Page//00:10:12] Had trained in Reiki. I, I, I did, I didn't practice meditation regularly, but I was involved in a meditation group and I had done Tai Chi, which is, you know, all about energy moving in the body and so on. So I did have this spiritual side as well. So the science and the spirituality and. I kind of kept come to believe that they're actually the same.
[Page//00:10:37] They they're coming together. So the science is proving the spirituality. So along my journey, I, I came to realize that, okay, stress brought this on stress has gotta be something to do with it. I love the, all the mind body components in our training. As you know, every month we had a. We had a mind body component.
[Page//00:10:58] Right. And I just loved [Page//00:11:00] that and it really hearing other people talking about it and combining it with the science side really appealed to me. I love that aspect of the program. And so I started to realize though it wasn't just the stress of that. That one year that was, you know, what tipped the bucket over.
[Page//00:11:19] I realized that I carried a lot of stress, my whole life, you know, feelings we have inside about ourselves, what we believe about ourselves. And I, you know, I don't need to get in to how that happened. It just, you know, whatever we learn things when, before the age of seven, we take them to be true. And then we carry that throughout life.
[Page//00:11:38] And So I didn't have like a, you know, a really adverse childhood or anything like that. But, you know, we, it doesn't have to be that bad to trigger some of these things. There's a lot of science behind early childhood adverse childhood events. The ACE is called the ACE score and auto immune conditions.
[Page//00:11:56] They kind of go hand in there. I understand it [Page//00:12:00] now. So eventually I decided, you know, I'm not that happy in my job and I want to follow my soul. What I believe is my soul's calling now, and that is to help other people get, understand that they are empowered in their health. Because what I realized is that we are a physical body and it's in an inbox.
[Page//00:12:18] But we are in control of that environment and the environment does include food. It does include movement. It does include all the toxins or lack of toxins. It does include the relationships. It also includes our thoughts, right? The thoughts that we think and so on. So this though the thoughts that we think affect our physical body, Deepak Chopra has said this, the mind creates the body. Which is very interesting. Quantum physics tells us that everything is energy. Everything is energy, including us. We are actually energetic beings compressed in physical form. So. What we should have energy flowing. That's the [Page//00:13:00] Chinese medicine, the yoga talks about that, right? Per Ana. So we should have his energy flowing and when this energy isn't flowing, that's when we get disease or pain or, you know, we don't even have to label it as anything.
[Page//00:13:15] It's just energy, not flowing like it should. And to me it seems very clear now. And so one of the things I do is help people get that energy flowing again and numerous ways to do that. The breath is one, the breath represents energy in our bodies. So love starting with the breath. And in fact, I think.
[Page//00:13:37] If you're not, if you're not working with the breath, nothing else really matters. Like you can't ignore breath work and how we're breathing. I mean, even when it comes down to, for example, eating our food, if you're eating the healthiest food and like shoving it in and feeling like really crappy while you're eating.
[Page//00:13:57] It's not going to digest. You're not, you're not, you're going to [Page//00:14:00] be in a state of a state of fight or flight, you know, that, that sympathetic state, instead of the parasympathetic state, where all the healing happens. So without a physical body, we have an an energetic body as well. And that energetic. It, it dictates our physical body.
[Page//00:14:18] It's our physical bodies is a representation of what's going on in that, in that energetic body.
[Page//00:14:26] Julie Michelson: Well, there's so much to unpack there. I want to circle back and I love your evolution. And my, you know, the, the, when I first started coaching years ago, it was, you know, the first thing I did with everybody was diet, you know, like, what are you eating? We need to. And now I'm like, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that.
[Page//00:14:48] Jane Hogan: Yes.
[Page//00:14:49] Julie Michelson: Because I, as we have both learned the mindset piece and the breath work and the energy [Page//00:15:00] is. Hey, it's essential. But also I always joke. I was so fortunate because I too was healing on my own and trying and doing, and this would help a little bit and that would help a little bit and you know, what's next.
[Page//00:15:17] And what else can I do? And I say to so many people, I'm so fortunate that just. Like the two things that really started to move the needle for me to even clear my brain fog enough, to learn more were diet and meditation, like regular, not dabbling, true dedicated meditation practice. But knowing what I know now, I'm so fortunate that I even got the needle to move as much as they did without, you know, adding in these other pieces.
[Page//00:15:46] And so I, to now, I mean, we start there because then it's exponential, then all that other stuff really can create big shifts. and I love the, the [Page//00:16:00] science behind it. You know, all of the modalities you just mentioned are thousands of years old.
[Page//00:16:07] Jane Hogan: Yes. Yes.
[Page//00:16:08] Julie Michelson: of years old. And yet, you know, now we are, you know, finally have some data to back it up.
[Page//00:16:15] I'm like people knew this, you know, living on the mountain tops ages of. And it doesn't matter if it's, you know, yoga or acupuncture or Tai Chi or, I mean, you name it. It basically is all energy movement, you know, a lot of different words for the same thing. And
[Page//00:16:36] Jane Hogan: come, they all compliment each other. They're not in in disharmony with each other. They compliment each other. It doesn't matter what you do with what you do. As long as the energy is moving and you're feeling good. I think people don't realize how important feelings are because feelings are actually, well, feelings come from our thoughts. Thoughts create the emotions, [Page//00:17:00] feelings, the feelings. I, I see feelings as there's an emotional component, but there's a physical component feelings create vibration in our body. And so if you think about it, you feel differently inside when you're feeling like love and joy, then you feel when, if you're having the emotion of sadness, right.
[Page//00:17:19] It just physically is different in your body. And so that is the response. And if we're, if we're in a state, that's not a harmonious vibration. If we're having that emotion, that's not creating a harmonious vibration. All of our cells, they have receptors on, on ourselves that they're picking that up and they're like, okay, trouble out there.
[Page//00:17:39] You know, let's, let's not we, we might need to go into battle or something like that. So our cells like really respond to that. And so ourselves. They're creating the DNA to create new cells so that our new us is created from these vibrations. But what's really hard. And I [Page//00:18:00] understand this and you probably see this with your clients too.
[Page//00:18:02] Julie, is that. When you are, when you get a diagnosis like that, it's very fearful. It's hard. And when you're in pain, that's very upsetting. So it's, it's very hard to to not feel those negative emotions when you're in that state. So that's where the real work is that like, that is where the work is, right.
[Page//00:18:25] Julie Michelson: Absolutely. And you, you mentioned earlier, you know, this, the power of the thoughts and the thoughts we're aware of and the thoughts that we're not aware of right there. And.
[Page//00:18:35] Jane Hogan: those two.
[Page//00:18:36] Julie Michelson: I always say, you know, the, you talk about you know, how, how we are forming informing before the age of seven. And it is the same process of.
[Page//00:18:50] Our body believes our thoughts as truth. It hears them. It believes that they could be, we could know, as we're thinking it, it's not true. It doesn't matter. The body just [Page//00:19:00] hears that and takes that on as truth. And then as you said, it creates that state. And so there is so much. Power in the, it people say, well, oh my gosh, that's right.
[Page//00:19:13] I'm while I'm in pain. And I just got a scary diagnosis and you know, you want me to change my thoughts? You want me to,
[Page//00:19:21] Jane Hogan: Yeah.
[Page//00:19:22] Julie Michelson: take how, how, how do you expect me to do that? And, and so the, the good news is we can use that information. To plant new thoughts and to, and to do the work, like you said, to get that energy flowing and, you know, dislodge those blocks and get that healing started. And I know when you talk about energy flow, as you said, one of the things that you do with your clients and focus on is breath work. And, and we're gonna focus on breath, work for healing, but I was. Just had a [Page//00:20:00] conversation this morning had nothing to do with healing. Didn't do it. You know, everybody thinks, well, I breathe, right.
[Page//00:20:05] We, we breathe. But I was having a conversation about scuba diving cause I'm in the middle of working on my open water certification and, and was talking to somebody this morning who was saying, oh my gosh, I love scuba diving. It's so peaceful. And then he chuckled and he said, Once you learn to control your breath.
[Page//00:20:26] Like, I mean, and that is the whole, it was such a beautiful analogy for, I didn't, as you were talking, it was piecing together for me. I don't know if you have ever scuba dived. But so then, you know, when you don't control your breath, you know, your breath affects your buoyancy.
[Page//00:20:45] Jane Hogan: Yeah.
[Page//00:20:46] Julie Michelson: So you think of, if your breath is out of control and then you're moving around in the water and then that's skirt starting that stress response.
[Page//00:20:54] It's the same thing. And so yes, obviously anybody listening to this is breathing. [Page//00:21:00] We know you're breathing but we are breathing well. We aren't breathing fully and we aren't using breathing as a tool. To move energy intentionally. And I believe that Jane is going to walk us through how to do that a little bit today.
[Page//00:21:18] Jane Hogan: Yeah. I'd love to thanks so much for the opportunity. Yeah, the, the breath we are terrible breathers. There's. There's a quote, I've just finished reading breath by James nester. Like it's nothing to do with the Wu. It's all about the science. So I highly recommend that book for people to read just because we are, a lot of us are mouth breathers.
[Page//00:21:38] We're, we're breathing too quickly. We're taking in too much oxygen. There's a whole thing around that. You know, we don't want to take in too much oxygen. There's, it's a bit of a, it seems like an oxymoron, but we need the carbon dioxide to shuttle the oxygen into ourselves. And if we don't have enough carbon dioxide, it doesn't happen.
[Page//00:21:55] So so yeah, this is quite interesting, but I like, I like to use the [Page//00:22:00] breath to To create a, an emotional state in the body and to really kind of get it, get it moving, but I really would love to do a practice with your audience today, Julie, on creating like a loving presence in their body.
[Page//00:22:14] Julie Michelson: Yes, please.
[Page//00:22:15] Jane Hogan: I love this.
[Page//00:22:16] I love this because, well, when you create a loving presence, you're creating a vibration. That is a very healing vibration. We're going to use the heart. The heart is the most powerful electromagnet. Oregon in our body. It sends out a signal like 10 feet away from us, which can be measured with instruments.
[Page//00:22:36] We have now. I mean, who knows really how far it goes. So we are sending out the signal all around us, and I love this tool as well because you're creating it yourself. You can create any time. So getting back to before I start, I'll just want to talk about how, when people are in pain or when they're feeling all these fearful [Page//00:23:00] emotions, if we can get a little break, like just give your brain a little break, so your body can get back into that healing state.
[Page//00:23:07] And that's what you discovered like with meditation. So meditation can do it. You can do it with, you know, some other thoughts. You can do it with breath work, but any of these things where you just get that little break and then in that moment, You're okay. And then you string together a bunch of those like pearls on a necklace, and then you can gradually have longer and more frequent moments like that throughout your day.
[Page//00:23:32] And then, you know, eventually it just gets better and there's more and more, and it gets easier then to be in that state. So I like to think about it like that, like the pearls on a on a necklace and stringing them to.
[Page//00:23:43] Julie Michelson: I love that visual. It's so many, and I, I will say of us. I was going to say of our clients, but even of us, you know, I was, I declined for over a decade. And I certainly was in a place where I was so stuck in that loop. You were just describing [Page//00:24:00] that. I ha I hadn't. I had lost touch with, what does it feel like to be in a parasympathetic state?
[Page//00:24:05] What is that healing state even. Feel like and I will tell you from experience as I'm sure Jane can attest to, as you string those pearls together, eventually you get to live in that place and it is, it's a beautiful place to live. So
[Page//00:24:21] Jane Hogan: And it's that choice. It's a choice.
[Page//00:24:24] Julie Michelson: Yes. And I will use the word you alluded to you doing something like this breath work technique is it's power, right?
[Page//00:24:32] You said we can do it ourselves. And I know you and I both stand for taking your power back because we can heal.
[Page//00:24:42] Jane Hogan: Absolutely. Absolutely so many stories. I think people hear stories like your story, my story, and other people, then it helps with the hope side. So. At least that takes them out of the despair. And that was something I did in the beginning too. So that's why it's important what you and I are doing. All [Page//00:25:00] right, so let's do this.
[Page//00:25:02] So I, if you're driving, obviously you might want to pause and, and do this afterwards, but what I'm going to ask you to do is just sit comfortably in your chair and let your feet rest on the floor and your hands rest on your own. You can have them palms up or palms, palms down, and then just gently close your eyes breathing in and out through the nose. Just begin to notice your friend and see if you can agree the lower down. So think about breathing into the belly area and then, then your chest and exhaling [Page//00:26:00] might help if you straighten back a little bit, so you can get that breath into the valley and then into the heart. Now I'd like you to imagine that you are filling that heart up with a new, a full breath that you're breathing in and filling the heart and the space around her. The breath you're breathing in, filling up the heart and making it bigger and now bring to mind [Page//00:27:00] a person or maybe a pet. Or a place or a time when you felt LA and now feel that feeling in your heart, breathe into it. Notice how good it feel. And now match and that as you breathe in with every breath, you're going to make it a little bit bigger and imagine on the next breath that it doubles inside this feeling of loss. And now in the next [Page//00:28:00] breath, imagine that it's filling up your entire body. Now imagine that it's going even beyond your body, outside of your physical. It's a feeling of love, just radiating from you and see if you can double it again. Beautiful feeling. So you keep them even fill up the room that you're in [Page//00:29:00] big, big feeling of LA just for a couple of grads, just really feel how good this. Last breath in and exhale with a side. Before you open your eyes, twist your body around, like twist your spine. So you look over to the right and then twist your body around Mr. over the last, coming back to the middle of. And now [Page//00:30:00] slowly open your eyes.
[Page//00:30:07] Julie Michelson: That was amazing. It was amazing. I love, I do something very similar with my clients and I'm just getting into that heart space. Again, it goes back to so many people haven't been there in so long. So.
[Page//00:30:23] Jane Hogan: And there's a, as you know, there's a lot of science behind it as well. So, you know, if you liked this. That's good, but it really, it really helps your body on all levels. It helps all systems of the body and it just gets you right into that parasympathetic state. And that's the only state where healing can happen.
[Page//00:30:42] So that's why it's so important to you. As much as you can. So you can, you can do this any time. You, each of you who listen to this, you generated that yourself. I guided you, but you can generate this yourself anytime you want. And it doesn't even have to be as long as [Page//00:31:00] I just did. You could just, you know, close your eyes or even have your eyes open and just feel that feeling.
[Page//00:31:07] And the more you can get into that feeling of feeling love and joy, the more you're activating the parasympathetic state and the more you're healing.
[Page//00:31:18] Julie Michelson: I love that. I always ask, you know, what one step listeners can take starting today. You obviously just gave us that step. I say, I remember when I first started doing HeartSpace work it was uncomfortable in the beginning and it took me a little while to feel like I had the hang of it to be able to just drop into that space.
[Page//00:31:44] So you guys changes, gave you such a gift that you could listen to this over and over until you feel like you have it down and want to make it yours. And then you can take it and play with it, as Jane said anywhere and everywhere.
[Page//00:31:59] Jane Hogan: [Page//00:32:00] Yes, totally portable. And it's free.
[Page//00:32:02] Julie Michelson: Yeah.
[Page//00:32:03] Jane Hogan: And if you have trouble with, you know, like magic, just like, just go with it, just make it up. Just make it. We're not used to feeling in our body. We're more used to like being stuck in our head. Right. So. It's it's different for people. And you may, you may notice like I, I know even now I tend to get really tight in my solar plexus area, like just under, underneath the ribs.
[Page//00:32:29] So that's a place I have to consciously. Okay. Let's just release into that. So if you have areas of tightness, you can even use your imagination to breathe into that. And just imagine just like we did with the. Just breathing into the place where you're feeling like maybe pain in your shoulder or a lump in your throat or a headache, do the same kind of thing.
[Page//00:32:50] It's, it's very, it's fun and powerful.
[Page//00:32:53] Julie Michelson: It is so powerful. And I just want to tack on, yes, this is such a great way to [Page//00:33:00] get into that parasympathetic state, that healing state, the one. I want to reiterate for everybody is that the body is designed to heal all these things we were talking about. This is the basis. And we know this again, based on science.
[Page//00:33:15] And so, but we do have to be in that parasympathetic state in order to do that. So
[Page//00:33:21] Jane Hogan: I'd like to just add to that. All of the, any pain that we have or disease, it is actually our body calling for our attention. It wants us to give it its attention like this. So it's really a gift. So I know it's hard to accept pain as a gift, but it is a gift it's calling you. It's telling you where you need to pay attention.
[Page//00:33:44] So and when you can reframe it like that too, it makes it a little bit easier. And like, I honestly see the whole, everything I went through as a gift that was leading me in my calling and my purpose. So I know you probably feel the
[Page//00:33:57] Julie Michelson: I absolutely do a million [Page//00:34:00] percent. So
[Page//00:34:00] Jane Hogan: Aren't we lucky? Aren't we lucky.
[Page//00:34:03] Julie Michelson: And, and we, we both know too, as you said, that the pain is information, those symptoms are information. And what I found and see all the time is that it does start as a whisper. And if we don't hear the whisper, it gets louder and louder. And, and so this, this tool is such an amazing tool.
[Page//00:34:23] Stop in his tracks, turn it around and get that healing started. So I thank you so very much for sharing that powerful exercise with everybody before we wrap up, where can listeners find you? And I will have links in the show notes as well, but what's the best place. If somebody was that really resonated and somebody wants to really get ahold of you, where, where should they go?
[Page//00:34:46] Jane Hogan: Well, they can go to my website, JaneHogan.Com and right on the first page, there's a, they can do this download there's three audio files so they can get that. They would like [Page//00:35:00] to I'm on Facebook and Instagram and YouTube and Twitter and Pinterest and LinkedIn. If they just searched Jane Hogan health, they'll find.
[Page//00:35:09] Julie Michelson: Wonderful. Jane, thank you so much. You shared such amazing gold with us today. And again, I cannot encourage listeners enough to use that tool. It is a gift. It's a gift from Jane to you, to your body. So, thank you. Thank you
[Page//00:35:27] Jane Hogan: Oh, it was my great pleasure, Julie. Thank you so much.
[Page//00:35:31] Julie Michelson: for everyone listening. Remember you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting inspiredliving.show. I hope you had a great time and enjoyed this episode as much as I did. I will see you next week.
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Jane Hogan, "The Wellness Engineer," blends science and spirituality to help people release chronic pain using the mind, body and breath so they can become empowered creators of their own health.
Her personal experience of reversing crippling rheumatoid arthritis using natural solutions inspired her to leave a 30-year engineering career and become a Functional Medicine Certified Health Coach, Certified Yoga Teacher and wellness educator. Jane is the creator of the Wellness By Design Blueprint helping people access their own magnificence through intentional living.
Jane is the host of the Wellness By Design podcast and has been featured on numerous podcasts and summits and has been published in Thrive Global and Elephant Journal magazines.
Her personal experience of reversing crippling rheumatoid arthritis using natural solutions inspired her to leave a 30-year engineering career and become a Functional Medicine Certified Health Coach, Certified Yoga Teacher and wellness educator. Jane is the creator of the Wellness By Design Blueprint helping people access their own magnificence through intentional living.
Jane is the host of the Wellness By Design podcast and has been featured on numerous podcasts and summits and has been published in Thrive Global and Elephant Journal magazines.
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