Episode 18
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In today’s episode we are joined by Trina Felber, creator and CEO of Primal Life Organics. We are talking about the importance of a healthy oral microbiome, and the steps we can take to create balance and wellness. Trina walks us through what is truly healthy for our mouth and why most of the dental care products sold today are harming our health. We connect the dots between oral health and chronic inflammation, this is an episode you can’t afford to miss.
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Julie Michelson: Welcome back to the inspired living with auto-immunity podcast. I'm your host, Julie Michelson. And today we're joined by Trina Felber.
[00:00:41] Trina is the creator and CEO of primal life organics. And we're talking about the importance of a healthy oral microbiome and the steps that we can all take to create balance and wellness.
[00:00:55] We connect the dots between oral health and chronic inflammation.
[00:00:58] Trina welcome to [00:01:00] the podcast. I'm so excited to have you with us today,
[00:01:03] Trina Felber: Hey, Julie, I'm super excited to mouth off with you.
[00:01:07] Julie Michelson: pun intended. And for those of you listening on audio, you can't see all the fantastic props in the background, but Trina has a big tooth behind her and there's a mouth. There's all kinds of
[00:01:21] Trina Felber: Yeah, I've got some happy, happy little critters, but I also have the ugly little critters.
[00:01:28] Julie Michelson: we are going to talk about critters.
[00:01:31] Trina Felber: yeah.
[00:01:32] Julie Michelson: Yeah. So I love when we start off with, because I know a little bit about your history and I know you weren't born to be in the oral hygiene industry. Tell us how you got to have any, you know, want to talk about primal life organics, but tell, tell me how you got.
[00:01:52] To be aware that oral health is where it's at.
[00:01:58] Trina Felber: I get asked all the time. How does a [00:02:00] nurse, especially a nursing messages, go from giving anesthesia and putting people to sleep to S you know, cleaning their mouth. And I, I always say it's because I had to open their mouth to put a tube in it, and I thought how disgusting it was, but that's not the real story.
[00:02:15] Julie Michelson: no, I think there has to be more to it.
[00:02:19] Trina Felber: No, the real story. My daughter, my daughter at the age of two we were brushing her teeth one night. I think my husband was brushing your teeth and he goes, oh my gosh, what's that? And I'm like, I don't know. So I go look and she opens her mouth. And one of her Mueller's that was just coming through, had a.
[00:02:36] Look like a cavity in it. And you know, we, she, we were eating paleo at the time and not a lot of sugars. She was, it was a brand new molar erupting. So we were both kind of freaked out like, oh my gosh, what's going on? So we took her to the dentist, the dentist. At this point, I had been making skincare products for about two years.
[00:02:55] Yeah, cause she was two about two years. So I w I had already been dabbling in how to make things and, [00:03:00] you know, formulate things and all that. So we took her to the dentist and then the dentist took one, look at the twos and he goes, yeah, that's a pretty significant defect. He goes, it's really a natural cavity is what it is, happens in uterus.
[00:03:11] I didn't even know that can happen. I'm a nurse. And I had no clue that you can have a baby born with a cavity, but typically it happens for moms out there that are like, oh my gosh, you know, this happened to my child. It's not your fault. So it usually happens when mom has like a bacterial flash is what we would call it or a viral infection or a high fever or.
[00:03:33] A lot of stress happens, you know? And it happens at the moment that that tooth is being developed. So it's not your fault. You had no clue, you know? Yeah. So, but, you know, regardless it happened and he said, you know, what we can do is we'll put a temporary filling in that tooth since she's too. And we'll we'll probably have to replace that filling every two to three months, it's probably going to fall out every time that tooth falls out [00:04:00] we'll decide is now the time to pull it, or should we put another temporary filling in it, knowing that every temporary filling will only last about two to three months I was getting, so we did, we put a temporary filling it.
[00:04:10] I was leaving with my husband and my daughter and my boys, and the dentist says, don't worry, mom. We put a temporary filling in it. Now we just hope for the best. And I went, oh my gosh, this mom is not, this is mama is not hoping for the best. So that just sparked a little fire under my butt. You know, I just was like, I just wonder if.
[00:04:34] I didn't know anything really about dental health as nurses, we weren't trained in dental health. You know, I just knew that I needed to brush my teeth twice a day and do some flossing and you know, that kind of thing. So I went, I went home and I started doing my research, you know, you know how what's the best type of.
[00:04:51] How it, or paste or paste I'd probably put for, you know, dental health, oral health. I did every kind of search I could. I came up with Dr. Weston a [00:05:00] price I'm so, so glad I found Dr. Westmont pricing for anybody that doesn't know who he is. He was a dentist in the early 19 hundreds, like right around 1910 to 1920, I think was as big, you know, when he was really discovering all this stuff, but he studied third world countries.
[00:05:15] And why was their dental health so good. You know, we look at national geographic still today and you see pictures of men and women with big jaws and they're big smiles, like big, big teeth. Like you'd say their TV smiles or toothy smiles, big teeth, big smiles, big jaws. But if you look further, you're like, huh, they're not really obese.
[00:05:39] They don't have diabetes. They don't have
[00:05:42] Julie Michelson: Autoimmune illness.
[00:05:44] Trina Felber: Yeah, no immune illness like what's going on. What's their secret. So that's what he did. He looked at their secret and he realized that when they come to the U S and we supersize everything he might not have, because he's probably, you know, when they started supersizing everything he wasn't around.
[00:05:57] But when we supersize everything [00:06:00] and everyone, these people that were living healthy comes to the U S the first thing that went was their dental health. They had started getting bad breath. Number one, Cavities and gum disease and then paired on bear periodontitis, which is the inflammation of not just the gums, but deeper into the bone tissue.
[00:06:19] And then after they start with getting dental disease, they have heart disease. They're open. They have diabetes and everything else. They have problems conceiving. They have preterm labor. All of the other inflammatory issues start to show up. So that's how important dental health is. So I took what his research showed basically showed that you want your mouth to be alkaline.
[00:06:44] You want minerals. And you want to detail, those are the three components. So if you're brushing with something that destroys your bacteria, causes acid in your mouth, and doesn't really cleanse your tissue, you're really not doing [00:07:00] anything good for your mouth. You're actually causing more harm than good.
[00:07:04] And then fortunately there was this big moment in history that nobody knows about. The ADA held a conference and Dr. Weston a price. I think there were three people on his panel. And then there was another panel. These guys, Dr. Westmont price was, you know, against cavities. And these guys were like pro cavities and Dr.
[00:07:22] Weston, a price was speaking and he basically said, I have the solution or the answer to preventing cavities. And it re it means eliminating. We just have to eliminate processed sugar. We eliminate cavities and these other guys go, yeah, well we want business, we need cavities. And the ADA went. We're going to go with those guys over here and buy by Dr.
[00:07:44] Weston a price. So when I basically read about that, I thought I was. Dr. Weston, a price like where, where is this story? Like this story is buried. So I basically looked at what he said, and I thought I'm going to create a product for my daughter. Cause I want that too. [00:08:00] If I could get that tooth to last one year and one day I was going to be so proud of myself, that it didn't need to be pulled within a year.
[00:08:07] So I formulated what is now known as dirty mouth. It's dirty because we have dirty mouth's, it's dirty because I use dirt and it's dirty because you need a little bit of a dirty mouth in order to have a healthy mouth, all this stuff on the market, the blue stuff, all the, see, you know, everything on the market is meant to.
[00:08:28] All bacteria, when you do that, it's pro-inflammatory because you need your good stuff to keep the inflammation down and to protect you. So I created dirty mouth tooth powder, my daughter's tooth. I was like, I always forget to tell the end of the story, which is like the punchline joke. Right? My daughters to the one that was supposed to be pulled within a year, that filling was gonna fall out numerous times.
[00:08:56] She lost it naturally at the age of 12. [00:09:00] And that original, yeah. That original filling was still in place. And the two, the enamel had grown over that filling and protected it. So bacteria couldn't get in. I was astounded. We got that to the full life of that tube. So that's, that's the
[00:09:16] Julie Michelson: Hey, mom, I love that motivation, that, that mom power of like, no, this is not, you know, we're not hoping for the best we're going to make the bats.
[00:09:32] Trina Felber: You know, hope has no, it has its place in some things, but when it comes to your health, we shouldn't be hoping we have better health. We shouldn't be hoping that we won't get cancer. We should be proactively preventing. These things from having preventing information, preventing cavities, like I'm so pre you know, proactive I'm so prevention mindset that there is no hope.
[00:09:58] Like, you know, it's [00:10:00] factor it's when you're doing the right thing.
[00:10:04] Julie Michelson: I love that. So you already connected so many dots as to why in the world. Was I so excited to have you on the podcast today? What does, you know, toothpaste have to do with autoimmunity and chronic inflammation and. We're not going to dig into all of the different levels. Why the products you're going to walk into the grocery store and buy are so not only not supportive of, of your health, but you know, just detrimental across the board, you touched on some of that.
[00:10:42] But I do want to dig into it. It seems like anybody who is listening either has, or has somebody they love or things they have auto-immunity. And so you all know the word microbiome, right? Everybody wants to talk about microbiome [00:11:00] and gut health. And so we're going to talk. About there you go. For those of you listening on audio, we just had a little flash of the good bugs in the bed bugs.
[00:11:12] Let's talk about that oral microbiome and why people don't, you know, people don't connect it, but let's let you, you again, you get. You know, if someone wanted to replay that first four minutes, like 10 times they would get the whole history right there of the big toothy smiles and what we have in the United States.
[00:11:32] But you know, what is going on in our mouth and what is it doing for our.
[00:11:37] Trina Felber: Your mouth is the start of your digestive center. So if you're, if you have digestive issues, whether it's leaky gut syndrome or malabsorption syndrome, which basically there. Basically the same thing. It's just a different degree or different component. If you have any digestive issues, it all comes down to the bacteria and the environment.
[00:11:57] I always like to say the environment, because then it's a [00:12:00] bigger picture. It's not just these little bugs around. It's really the environment. Cause these guys create assets. They create the environment like cancer. They create whatever they want to live in and they make it happen. Whereas these guys struggle a little bit more.
[00:12:12] Because our diets have eroded us so much. So these guys really do need some pampering in our day and age, unless you really, you go to good one. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, we'll get it. Some people aren't aren't watching. This is just, you just have to watch, right. You just have to watch.
[00:12:28] Julie Michelson: She's got puppets, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:12:30] Trina Felber: We're going to be talking to me in a minute. your, your mouth is what it really starts. It's the start of the digestion. I always say, if you're not watching, you know, monitoring your oral health, you've missed the first 12 inches of your digestive. And the tube, I say, tongue to tail that is all outside your body.
[00:12:50] If you start to think of your, that tube, that runs from your mouth, the opening of your mouth, all the way down, out that is outside your body and the [00:13:00] membrane that is surrounding all of that, you know, your esophagus, your stomach, your small intestine, large, and everything. That membrane has to be helpful.
[00:13:10] All the way down and if it's not healthy, it becomes what we call leaky. And that leaky syndrome allows for bad stuff to pass through that normally shouldn't pass through that leakiness can start and typically does start inside the mouth. So when you think about a baby being born, I always like to use this analogy.
[00:13:30] People never think about this, but when you're born. You're not in a 100% sterile environment in your mom's womb, but it's pretty sterile compared to the world that we live in. So when a baby is born and the baby's born vaginally, they're born with a dirty nose and dirty mouth, primarily because through the vaginal canal, they collect the bacteria that mom.
[00:13:54] And their nose and in their mouth. And when they take their first breath, they breathe that in. And when they take their [00:14:00] first sip of milk, they swallow that bacteria, that bacteria feeds and seeds their gut. And that is the start of their immune system. That is the relationship between your mouth and your gut babies that are born, that are C-section.
[00:14:16] They lose that they have a sterile nose and a sterile mouth. And when they breathe, they are going to breathe in the wrong type of bacteria. They will not get that boost from mom's bacteria, providing them with the ability to Sue start their immune system system. So that's why sometimes when mom has. Vaginal bacteria, they will do some swabs and put the swabs in baby's nose and mouth.
[00:14:42] That is the reason behind that, but that is the connection. Your mouth is the, is the link between the outside world and your gut. If you have only bad bacteria inside your mouth, how do you know that? First off bad breath, we have been [00:15:00] conditioned to believe that bad breath is. The more that we wear a face mask, the harder it is to even get rid of bad breath.
[00:15:09] And that's because the environment underneath that mask is the best conditions for bad bacteria to grow creates more acid, more acid creates more plaque, more plaque, creates more bacteria. Then we also try to get rid of it with mints and gum gum. And a lot of times, even if it's an artificial sugar, it's.
[00:15:31] Feeding and seeding that bad bacteria, bad breath. This is like a newsflash. You aren't supposed to have bad breath. That is the first sign that there is too many bad guys and not enough. Good guys. When these guys out power, these guys, you have bad breath. Imagine a world where you wake up in the morning and your breath.
[00:15:55] Isn't. And that can happen. That's [00:16:00] what real life should be like without all the junk that's causing these guys to go have a party while you sleep. These guys should be the ones. And for those of you that I forget that you're not, and you're listening. You guys gotta watch. The public are talking. So yes, if you have bad breath, you really shouldn't have bad breath.
[00:16:19] You're using the wrong products and your food probably might be a component of that. So the way to fix that is pretty simple. And it's by switching what you're using. And it's flipping that around when you swallow when you swallow, you swallow, whatever is in your mouth. This is kind of disgusting.
[00:16:35] And people don't realize this, you know, it's like everything. Everything. You eat everything in the air, wherever you, whatever is inside your mouth. You have saliva all day long and you swallow it. So if you're swallowing the bad guys all day long and you expect your gut to get healthy. I think again, it's not going to [00:17:00] happen completely.
[00:17:01] Like you might get a little bit of less symptoms and it'll get a little better, but until you really start with the very starting point, you're really not going to be able to heal yourself completely.
[00:17:12] Julie Michelson: It's so, so very true. I had this flash then, because I don't have a filter I'm going to share. And some people are going to be like, that's disgusting, but that's okay.
[00:17:21] Trina Felber: I love it.
[00:17:22] Julie Michelson: Yeah. Talking about, we're not supposed to have bad breath in, and it is a, it's just, it's a sign, right? It's a signal too much bad bacteria.
[00:17:29] And maybe, maybe some people are going to find this gross, but I think a lot of moms are going to be like, yeah. When my kids were babies, when they were little, if they had bad, I mean, I would check. If I had one son that was prone to sinus infections, that was how I knew the difference between a cold and a sinus infection.
[00:17:51] I would smell his breath. It had a certain smell for a sinus infection, same thing with the upset tummy. [00:18:00] It was a certain smell. So when they were feeling a hundred percent that they had bad breath, they hadn't res baby prep.
[00:18:10] Trina Felber: And that's how it should be. We all see my
[00:18:12] Julie Michelson: We should all have baby breath. It's like puppy breath. Right. So good. Or at least so not offensive.
[00:18:22] So I love that. Okay. So too many bad guys. Is too much acid. We don't want it in our mouths. We don't want to be swallowing it all day long. You just reminded me. I was on with a client this week, who was walking while we were talking and she walked past a house that was doing laundry with clearly not.
[00:18:44] Clean products. And she literally said I can taste it. She was outside. I can. And so you just, I was like, oh, and she's falling on it. And now she's wanting.
[00:18:56] Trina Felber: Right. It's so in the acid, in the mouth. So when [00:19:00] your, when your mouth is acidic, so the bad guys cause acid and the foods, a lot of the foods that we eat, coffee is acidic. Tea is acidic. Red meat is acidic, almost everything, except for like fruits and vegetables are acidic by nature. And any processed foods are acidic by nature, you know, milk, dairy, that kind of stuff.
[00:19:18] So anytime there's acid inside the mind, There's. The, in the minerals in the teeth leave the enamel. So what that means is your, your enamel is made up of calcium phosphorus and a bunch of other less prominent, but still they're minerals, like manganese, Silicon, things like that. When you're eating something that's acidic or brushing with something, that's creating more acid inside your mouth, you're losing minerals all day long.
[00:19:49] And what your mentioned you is remineralized your teacher, the fruits that you eat. And through your saliva, your saliva is the lifeblood of your mouth. It's the secretion. No [00:20:00] one's talking about. And it's probably one of the most, especially in this day and age important minerals are important secretions, body secretions ever.
[00:20:10] And the reason for that is because your saliva, some of the functions of the saliva, it has proteins in it that is made to kill viruses, bacteria, and fungus, right inside your mouth. So you don't swallow them. I said viruses, right? Yes. It's true. It's antimicrobial antifungal antiviral.
[00:20:31] Julie Michelson: So wait a minute. Are you saying the body is designed to fight these things off to
[00:20:37] Trina Felber: I know it's hard to believe that. Like, how did our ancestors survive? This is how they survived that healthy food, healthy saliva, and really, if you are healthy the chances that, you know, that's why some people get colds and some people can be around 300 people that have a cold and walk away with nothing.
[00:20:57] Most likely they have a good microbiome [00:21:00] inside their mouth. The bacteria will help kill the bad stuff and the saliva and those two work together to function. As the start of your immune system, when you're exposed to. Your saliva also has proteins in it that start digesting or enzymes that start digestion as mammals.
[00:21:17] We are the only mammals that have enzymes for digestion in our saliva. Every other mammal swallows it and digestion starts in the stomach, but our star inside the mouth, if your saliva is not healthy, if you're, if you're not producing enough saliva, then that can be an issue with your digestion as well.
[00:21:38] And then finally, Your saliva suppo it's. I hate to say it's alkaline because it's more neutral, but in our ancestors days, because they were eating healthy, more alkaline foods that are saliva, didn't need to be super alkaline to neutralize the acids level of today and today [00:22:00] because we do eat some. Acid food and drank.
[00:22:03] And because our products are designed to cause more acid, our saliva is rendered completely in effective completely. It cannot neutralize acids, which means that the minerals that are in your syllabic, cause this is the only way that you can. Remineralized your teeth naturally. You can't take a supplement.
[00:22:23] You can not take magnesium. You can't not take calcium indirectly. If your gut is healthy and you are absorbing your minerals and your mineral level is high in your or normal in your body, you will have a normal mineral count or level in your saliva. But if you're having an acid condition inside your mouth, that your saliva can't neutralize those add those minerals get swallowed and they just go to waste.
[00:22:51] If you're mineral depleted, because you have leaky gut and malabsorption syndrome or pregnancy will deplete your minerals, then your saliva will do be [00:23:00] depleted. And then the same thing happens. So what happens with that situation is you lose minerals, lose minerals, those minerals, you never replace them.
[00:23:07] You end up with one of two things happening. You either have sensitivities. So hot and cold you, and you're like, oh, that hurts. Or you end up with a cavity. And the only difference is a cavity is more where it's in one localized spot and sensitivity, so they can both be happening at the same time. Of course, or you can have one or the other happening more predominantly.
[00:23:31] And the way to fix that is not necessarily with something that's going to fill, drill and bill you. There is a better.
[00:23:39] Julie Michelson: I love it.
[00:23:41] Trina Felber: There is a better solution, you
[00:23:43] Julie Michelson: Oh good. Because I was really worried that you were just going to be all doom and gloom, even though you're smiling.
[00:23:51] Trina Felber: You don't need to filter on the only time I tell people it really, yes, you probably should do what you're done to size is when there's pain and inflammation [00:24:00] or infection you know, that, you know, obviously there's something else going on there and you probably need to do something. You know, I always say, you know, you should see a biological dentist.
[00:24:08] They're going to use the best, you know, material inside your mouth, the safest material they're going to do the best testing and that kind of thing. But if you're not having like severe pain and there's no infection, you do have room to take some time and try and heal that cavity. And that's where my specialty comes in.
[00:24:26] Julie Michelson: Even before healing the cavity. What if I just, which I don't, but what, what if I just have bad breath and chronic inflammation? I mean, I did at one point, I'm sure the bad breath was there when the chronic inflammation was there, but
[00:24:41] Trina Felber: It's it's the same thing. Yeah. You just change what you're using. You're getting, getting rid of the bad stuff and flipping it out. So what you want to use is something that does the three things. Do you want something that's alkaline, something that has minerals. And something that cleanses or detoxes the [00:25:00] tissues of your mouth.
[00:25:01] So going back to my Western, the price sold story, that's what I formula. I formulated all of my dental products based on his research to do those three things. And if you do those three things, it's really pretty simple to just keep your mouth and breath healthy. You can still have some bad foods. And not destroy your mouth, not destroy your bacteria.
[00:25:25] It's kinda like you know, when you, you know, you're on a diet and you eat something, that's not really on your diet. Yeah. If you do that once or twice, your body can compensate, you know, your body can go with it, but it's the continuous, this is where we're at today is everything so much on the shelf is made to destroy our health.
[00:25:47] It's just being destroyed, being destroyed and your body can't recover. It can't recover. And that's how our dental health is right now. That's why cavities, even though they thought adding fluoride to everything was going to solve that. Florida's not the [00:26:00] answer. We know it don't use it, you
[00:26:02] Julie Michelson: Neurotoxin.
[00:26:03] Trina Felber: Yeah.
[00:26:04] Neurotoxin and yeah, I mean the whole thing, it's horrible and there's so much, it's so simple. I couldn't believe how simple it was. I couldn't believe when I started talking about this, that people didn't get it. I'm like, no, but this is simple. This is so easy. You shouldn't have bad breath. You shouldn't have gum disease.
[00:26:22] Most people don't even know they have gum disease. Like advanced stages, like gum recession, the same thing. Why is that? Why aren't we as a society? Why aren't our dentists talking about us? Why or talking to us about this and it's simply because in their schooling, unless they're really a biological dentist, they're kind of like doctors, you know, doctors don't know, they don't get any clue.
[00:26:46] They get like a two hour lecture on diet. That's it? You know, same thing with dentists, they get older lectures on everything that was on this side of the panel and nothing about what [00:27:00] Dr. Weston a price would talk about in his lectures.
[00:27:05] Julie Michelson: wow. I'm just going to pause for a second because it was for people that. I haven't heard any of this before. That's a lot, it's a lot. You know, to me, I'm like, yeah, go, go, go. And we talked before I turned the, before I hit record, you know, we literally could talk about this for two hours and that's why I was so jazzed to have you on let's really, for people that are like, this sounds crazy.
[00:27:31] And of course I'm using a fluoride toothpaste and this, this she's must be nuts. This woman.
[00:27:38] Trina Felber: She is.
[00:27:39] Julie Michelson: Let's really cannot. One thing that most people listening to this podcast know about is inflammation. And even maybe, probably if they know one lab name it's CRS. Right. So they're looking for C-reactive protein. Is it elevated as a [00:28:00] signal of chronic inflammation, systemic inflammation, connect the dots for us between this oral hygiene and elevated CRP and chronic inflammation.
[00:28:13] Trina Felber: You want me to blow your mind?
[00:28:14] Julie Michelson: Yes. Blow it.
[00:28:17] Trina Felber: So nitric oxide, you know, about nitric oxide, nitric oxide is a vasodilator. So it is basically so important for every organ of your body, but heart health is dependent on blood flow. So when you think about vasodilation or increasing blood flow, increasing oxygen that's where nitric oxide.
[00:28:41] Comes in. And if you are not producing enough nitric oxide, you can have problems throughout your body, but primarily heart health, erectile dysfunction for both men and women, you can have brain fog, [00:29:00] difficulty sleeping slow metabolism, all of these.
[00:29:04] Julie Michelson: we need good blood flow.
[00:29:06] Trina Felber: And ALO nitric oxide stimulates that inflammatory response, your, you know, your levels will be higher if your nitric oxide production is lower.
[00:29:19] So if your mouth bacteria and your gut bacteria is not healthy, you will not produce. Adequate nitric oxide, because it is a, almost like a loop of things that happened. And nitric oxide production is dependent on your bacteria inside.
[00:29:46] Julie Michelson: There we go.
[00:29:47] Trina Felber: Yeah. If your mouth isn't healthy, you will not produce. And so positive, good nitric oxide and enhanced his sleep enhances mood increases the blood flow to the heart increases blood flow [00:30:00] for I rec tile, you know, for men and women, women need an increase in blood flow as well. During. Sexual stimulation and all, you know, so many things are dependent on nitric oxide, and that is where the mouth is connected to inflammatory processes internally as well, not just, you know, bad things getting into your gum tissue,
[00:30:22] Julie Michelson: Right.
[00:30:22] Trina Felber: but also, yeah.
[00:30:25] Also, but because of the nitric oxide production,
[00:30:30] Julie Michelson: I love it. Thank you for just weaving all of that together. I want to ask you, so we talked about product, right? Obviously there you, the, this is what you do. You make products that are not only not harming us, but are beneficial to get us back to that balance that we need to be at. As far as, as taking care of our mouth and our teeth.
[00:30:59] Is there [00:31:00] anything you recommend in addition to brushing.
[00:31:03] Trina Felber: Yeah, I did. I have a whole dental detox program that I put together and it really, it doesn't take any longer than your typical. Brushing your teeth and flossing. You, you might have one extra step, you know, which is scraping your time. If you don't do that already, but scraping your tongue is so important because your tongue is, you know, the tug is the muscle.
[00:31:24] We don't even think about our tongue as being so important, but it's your tongue that literally makes your posture either really good or really bad. Your posture follows your tongue muscles. So a lot of people that Yeah, we don't even realize that you can exercise your time. If you push it all the way up to the roof of your mouth, you can, and you feel the allegation of your neck.
[00:31:46] So many times we're like either looking up cranking our necks, we're looking down and that muscle becomes strained or impaired. Scraping your tongue is extremely important because the bacteria that lives on your time is contributing [00:32:00] in a big way to your overall health, because it is creating that biofilm and then that acid condition.
[00:32:07] So even if you're brushing your teeth and you're getting rid of the good, the bad stuff, brushing your teeth with the right products, but you're not removing the bacteria on your tongue, then you're going to end up with. Still more acid than you want because that bacteria is just creating acid. So I came up with, for the people that can see I'll hold it up.
[00:32:25] This is what my desert detox kit looks like. You get everything that you need for a 60 day supply to take care of your mouth. You get two tooth powders. One is a morning and one is a nighttime formula. And the only difference is that the nighttime formula has some charcoal for added detox and nighttime.
[00:32:42] When you're sleeping. Body typically will regenerate and detox. So by using the charcoal one that will help facilitate that inside your mouth. You get a bamboo toothbrush. I don't know if people know this, but I plastic tubers. So not only is my mission to help you stay healthy, but my mission is also mother earth.
[00:32:59] She [00:33:00] gives me every ingredient that I use for my products and I don't want to pollute her because if I start polluting mother earth myself my products are going to come back polluted in some way, shape or form. So.
[00:33:11] Julie Michelson: and when you're, when you're as conscientious as I am, in addition to that, I know want the plastic in my mouth. I don't use plastic anywhere else. Why would I put it in my mouth?
[00:33:21] Trina Felber: Right. And the bamboo. So plastic takes over 400 years to biodegrade, but my bamboo toothbrush and I just came out with a Sonic toothbrush that has bamboo replacement heads.
[00:33:34] Julie Michelson: Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited.
[00:33:36] Trina Felber: is so cool. This is so-called because it, the bamboo replacement, this we've just launched this done two days
[00:33:44] Julie Michelson: you just made my day. You have no idea.
[00:33:46] Trina Felber: When you throw this away or my other toothbrush six months, that's it, it's gone in six months.
[00:33:52] It's not leaving a footprint. And the Sonic vibrations on this are gentler because too much vibration can actually wear [00:34:00] down your gum tissue and not stimulate blood flow the right way can be an overt, which can then do the opposite. When you do work out to her, you can have too much like lactic
[00:34:10] Julie Michelson: you're driving inflammation.
[00:34:11] Trina Felber: Yeah, right. So this is very gentle, soothing vibration with a really soft bristle. That's going to help stimulate the blood flow so that
[00:34:21] Julie Michelson: now.
[00:34:22] Trina Felber: yep. On the website it's available now. Yeah. Yeah. It's so, so we've been waiting for awhile,
[00:34:27] Julie Michelson: so I can go order.
[00:34:32] Trina Felber: Gum Sarah, my gum serum is made it replaces mouthwash. So when you start my program, you get rid of everything else. You don't use anything else because unfortunately the other stuff is going to impede what this is doing. My mouthwash is made of olive oil and essential oils, and you put a drop or two on your finger and you just rub it on your gums, but that's simple.
[00:34:53] You get my dental. It's a floss pick it's made from cornstarch. It's biodegradable is a bamboo [00:35:00] string. Perfect. And then my copper tongue scraper will last a lifetime last year.
[00:35:05] Julie Michelson: I've had mine for, oh my gosh, at least 10 years.
[00:35:09] Trina Felber: Yeah. They
[00:35:10] Julie Michelson: will say this for everybody listening, who hasn't used a tongue scraper, you will never go back. I mean, like I, that I no longer even have the thought that my mouth feels clean without completing, by scraping my tongue. I love
[00:35:28] Trina Felber: it's a game changer.
[00:35:29] Julie Michelson: and the copper's great.
[00:35:30] Trina Felber: We call it the magic wand and copper Zena, bacterial, and a recordable. So when you're scraping it, you're using something that is going to be effective at killing bacteria. And then finally, because most people struggle with natural deodorants and I formulated mine in a way.
[00:35:47] For it to work for most people without baking soda. You get a sample of my free deodorant in there as well. So that's, that's the kit. And then my teeth whitening. Have you, have you used or seen my [00:36:00] teeth whitening?
[00:36:00] Julie Michelson: I have.
[00:36:02] Trina Felber: So my led teeth whitening kit has phenomenal because it uses both red and blue light to actually do damage to the bacteria, to kill bacteria.
[00:36:14] It's this is interesting, bad bacteria has like a heat. Component or an iron component to it. And it kills blue light will kill that bacteria because of the, the heme component. Good bacteria does not have that. So blue light can actually penetrate. So if you have pockets of your gums between your teeth and the root.
[00:36:36] It can penetrate into the pockets and kill the bacteria in there. It also has red light. Red light is for the gum tissue increases blood flow reduces inflammation. Red light does the same thing for your mouth. It's at the right wavelength. You put it in your mouth and it also stimulates collagen production, which is really important and rebuilding the gum tissue.
[00:36:57] And then you can also do a setting that does both red and [00:37:00] blue lights and it's a 15 minute treatment. And. The gel that we make, that I made is peroxide free because peroxide damages the enamel and will actually vaporize metals. If you have any metal left in your mouth, that will actually vaporize metal.
[00:37:16] And so it's an olive oil base with some clay in it and some essential oils in it.
[00:37:23] Julie Michelson: Wonderful. And I know there you have gifted some discount codes to listeners and those will, those links will be in the show notes as well. Before we do wrap up, where can listeners find you? Where can they were? How could I have known yesterday that you were launching the new toothbrush?
[00:37:46] Trina Felber: Primal life organics is where I am primal life organics.com. We're on Instagram and Facebook. Instagram is prime alive org. And other than that, you know, I'm found on a lot of podcasts like yours, Julia, I mean, and, and my team [00:38:00] gets the, you know, support you, but click through the links that Julie provides for you, because you're going to get the best discount, the best discount through those links.
[00:38:09] Julie Michelson: Absolutely. So I normally, I typically ask people to give listeners one step and I actually, instead of asking you, I'm going to say click through those links and, and order that kit, it just. It literally, life-changing starting with the proper oral hygiene and, and supporting that microbiome. So we promised you promise before we started that you were going to come back so that we can talk about.
[00:38:42] Skincare, because there were about 20 things, even just with the oral health that we didn't get to today. So I am excited to have you back on and I cannot thank you enough for being here. You have enlightened us.[00:39:00]
[00:39:00] Trina Felber: And let me leave you with this little cliffhanger for skin. Cause I like to do that. I get asked all the time, what is the worst ingredient in skincare? And it's really super simple and easy. Do you know, do you want to guess?
[00:39:14] Julie Michelson: Well now I'm going to let you, I mean, there's, I just a list ran through my head,
[00:39:19] Trina Felber: Yeah. There's one, if you eliminate one ingredient in skincare, you eliminate almost all the other ones that just ran through your.
[00:39:27] Julie Michelson: fragrance, what do to.
[00:39:32] Trina Felber: Water water is toxic because it's tap water. I'll get into that. There's birth control. There's antidepressants all the stuff that's in water. And it's the primary component to skincare. It's not making you, it's not making you pretty. It's making you pretty ugly. So we'll talk about that.
[00:39:55] Julie Michelson: Trina, thank you so much that you there's the cliff. It is a cliffhanger [00:40:00] and everybody's going, wait a minute. What?
[00:40:03] Trina Felber: Going to be checking their ingredients and going, oh my God, everything I have is in water. And that's my point. And so when we get into the why and how you know, my favorite setting is dehydrate your skincare, not your skin, because not only is it not like poisoning, you, it's also causing premature aging for other reasons.
[00:40:21] Julie Michelson: Yeah, well, I can't wait to have you back so we can hear all about it. Thank you for mouthing off with us today
[00:40:29] Trina Felber: Thank you.
[00:40:31] Julie Michelson: for everyone listening. Remember you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting inspired living.show. I hope you had a great time and enjoy this episode as much as I did. I we'll see you all next week.
[00:00:41] Trina is the creator and CEO of primal life organics. And we're talking about the importance of a healthy oral microbiome and the steps that we can all take to create balance and wellness.
[00:00:55] We connect the dots between oral health and chronic inflammation.
[00:00:58] Trina welcome to [00:01:00] the podcast. I'm so excited to have you with us today,
[00:01:03] Trina Felber: Hey, Julie, I'm super excited to mouth off with you.
[00:01:07] Julie Michelson: pun intended. And for those of you listening on audio, you can't see all the fantastic props in the background, but Trina has a big tooth behind her and there's a mouth. There's all kinds of
[00:01:21] Trina Felber: Yeah, I've got some happy, happy little critters, but I also have the ugly little critters.
[00:01:28] Julie Michelson: we are going to talk about critters.
[00:01:31] Trina Felber: yeah.
[00:01:32] Julie Michelson: Yeah. So I love when we start off with, because I know a little bit about your history and I know you weren't born to be in the oral hygiene industry. Tell us how you got to have any, you know, want to talk about primal life organics, but tell, tell me how you got.
[00:01:52] To be aware that oral health is where it's at.
[00:01:58] Trina Felber: I get asked all the time. How does a [00:02:00] nurse, especially a nursing messages, go from giving anesthesia and putting people to sleep to S you know, cleaning their mouth. And I, I always say it's because I had to open their mouth to put a tube in it, and I thought how disgusting it was, but that's not the real story.
[00:02:15] Julie Michelson: no, I think there has to be more to it.
[00:02:19] Trina Felber: No, the real story. My daughter, my daughter at the age of two we were brushing her teeth one night. I think my husband was brushing your teeth and he goes, oh my gosh, what's that? And I'm like, I don't know. So I go look and she opens her mouth. And one of her Mueller's that was just coming through, had a.
[00:02:36] Look like a cavity in it. And you know, we, she, we were eating paleo at the time and not a lot of sugars. She was, it was a brand new molar erupting. So we were both kind of freaked out like, oh my gosh, what's going on? So we took her to the dentist, the dentist. At this point, I had been making skincare products for about two years.
[00:02:55] Yeah, cause she was two about two years. So I w I had already been dabbling in how to make things and, [00:03:00] you know, formulate things and all that. So we took her to the dentist and then the dentist took one, look at the twos and he goes, yeah, that's a pretty significant defect. He goes, it's really a natural cavity is what it is, happens in uterus.
[00:03:11] I didn't even know that can happen. I'm a nurse. And I had no clue that you can have a baby born with a cavity, but typically it happens for moms out there that are like, oh my gosh, you know, this happened to my child. It's not your fault. So it usually happens when mom has like a bacterial flash is what we would call it or a viral infection or a high fever or.
[00:03:33] A lot of stress happens, you know? And it happens at the moment that that tooth is being developed. So it's not your fault. You had no clue, you know? Yeah. So, but, you know, regardless it happened and he said, you know, what we can do is we'll put a temporary filling in that tooth since she's too. And we'll we'll probably have to replace that filling every two to three months, it's probably going to fall out every time that tooth falls out [00:04:00] we'll decide is now the time to pull it, or should we put another temporary filling in it, knowing that every temporary filling will only last about two to three months I was getting, so we did, we put a temporary filling it.
[00:04:10] I was leaving with my husband and my daughter and my boys, and the dentist says, don't worry, mom. We put a temporary filling in it. Now we just hope for the best. And I went, oh my gosh, this mom is not, this is mama is not hoping for the best. So that just sparked a little fire under my butt. You know, I just was like, I just wonder if.
[00:04:34] I didn't know anything really about dental health as nurses, we weren't trained in dental health. You know, I just knew that I needed to brush my teeth twice a day and do some flossing and you know, that kind of thing. So I went, I went home and I started doing my research, you know, you know how what's the best type of.
[00:04:51] How it, or paste or paste I'd probably put for, you know, dental health, oral health. I did every kind of search I could. I came up with Dr. Weston a [00:05:00] price I'm so, so glad I found Dr. Westmont pricing for anybody that doesn't know who he is. He was a dentist in the early 19 hundreds, like right around 1910 to 1920, I think was as big, you know, when he was really discovering all this stuff, but he studied third world countries.
[00:05:15] And why was their dental health so good. You know, we look at national geographic still today and you see pictures of men and women with big jaws and they're big smiles, like big, big teeth. Like you'd say their TV smiles or toothy smiles, big teeth, big smiles, big jaws. But if you look further, you're like, huh, they're not really obese.
[00:05:39] They don't have diabetes. They don't have
[00:05:42] Julie Michelson: Autoimmune illness.
[00:05:44] Trina Felber: Yeah, no immune illness like what's going on. What's their secret. So that's what he did. He looked at their secret and he realized that when they come to the U S and we supersize everything he might not have, because he's probably, you know, when they started supersizing everything he wasn't around.
[00:05:57] But when we supersize everything [00:06:00] and everyone, these people that were living healthy comes to the U S the first thing that went was their dental health. They had started getting bad breath. Number one, Cavities and gum disease and then paired on bear periodontitis, which is the inflammation of not just the gums, but deeper into the bone tissue.
[00:06:19] And then after they start with getting dental disease, they have heart disease. They're open. They have diabetes and everything else. They have problems conceiving. They have preterm labor. All of the other inflammatory issues start to show up. So that's how important dental health is. So I took what his research showed basically showed that you want your mouth to be alkaline.
[00:06:44] You want minerals. And you want to detail, those are the three components. So if you're brushing with something that destroys your bacteria, causes acid in your mouth, and doesn't really cleanse your tissue, you're really not doing [00:07:00] anything good for your mouth. You're actually causing more harm than good.
[00:07:04] And then fortunately there was this big moment in history that nobody knows about. The ADA held a conference and Dr. Weston a price. I think there were three people on his panel. And then there was another panel. These guys, Dr. Westmont price was, you know, against cavities. And these guys were like pro cavities and Dr.
[00:07:22] Weston, a price was speaking and he basically said, I have the solution or the answer to preventing cavities. And it re it means eliminating. We just have to eliminate processed sugar. We eliminate cavities and these other guys go, yeah, well we want business, we need cavities. And the ADA went. We're going to go with those guys over here and buy by Dr.
[00:07:44] Weston a price. So when I basically read about that, I thought I was. Dr. Weston, a price like where, where is this story? Like this story is buried. So I basically looked at what he said, and I thought I'm going to create a product for my daughter. Cause I want that too. [00:08:00] If I could get that tooth to last one year and one day I was going to be so proud of myself, that it didn't need to be pulled within a year.
[00:08:07] So I formulated what is now known as dirty mouth. It's dirty because we have dirty mouth's, it's dirty because I use dirt and it's dirty because you need a little bit of a dirty mouth in order to have a healthy mouth, all this stuff on the market, the blue stuff, all the, see, you know, everything on the market is meant to.
[00:08:28] All bacteria, when you do that, it's pro-inflammatory because you need your good stuff to keep the inflammation down and to protect you. So I created dirty mouth tooth powder, my daughter's tooth. I was like, I always forget to tell the end of the story, which is like the punchline joke. Right? My daughters to the one that was supposed to be pulled within a year, that filling was gonna fall out numerous times.
[00:08:56] She lost it naturally at the age of 12. [00:09:00] And that original, yeah. That original filling was still in place. And the two, the enamel had grown over that filling and protected it. So bacteria couldn't get in. I was astounded. We got that to the full life of that tube. So that's, that's the
[00:09:16] Julie Michelson: Hey, mom, I love that motivation, that, that mom power of like, no, this is not, you know, we're not hoping for the best we're going to make the bats.
[00:09:32] Trina Felber: You know, hope has no, it has its place in some things, but when it comes to your health, we shouldn't be hoping we have better health. We shouldn't be hoping that we won't get cancer. We should be proactively preventing. These things from having preventing information, preventing cavities, like I'm so pre you know, proactive I'm so prevention mindset that there is no hope.
[00:09:58] Like, you know, it's [00:10:00] factor it's when you're doing the right thing.
[00:10:04] Julie Michelson: I love that. So you already connected so many dots as to why in the world. Was I so excited to have you on the podcast today? What does, you know, toothpaste have to do with autoimmunity and chronic inflammation and. We're not going to dig into all of the different levels. Why the products you're going to walk into the grocery store and buy are so not only not supportive of, of your health, but you know, just detrimental across the board, you touched on some of that.
[00:10:42] But I do want to dig into it. It seems like anybody who is listening either has, or has somebody they love or things they have auto-immunity. And so you all know the word microbiome, right? Everybody wants to talk about microbiome [00:11:00] and gut health. And so we're going to talk. About there you go. For those of you listening on audio, we just had a little flash of the good bugs in the bed bugs.
[00:11:12] Let's talk about that oral microbiome and why people don't, you know, people don't connect it, but let's let you, you again, you get. You know, if someone wanted to replay that first four minutes, like 10 times they would get the whole history right there of the big toothy smiles and what we have in the United States.
[00:11:32] But you know, what is going on in our mouth and what is it doing for our.
[00:11:37] Trina Felber: Your mouth is the start of your digestive center. So if you're, if you have digestive issues, whether it's leaky gut syndrome or malabsorption syndrome, which basically there. Basically the same thing. It's just a different degree or different component. If you have any digestive issues, it all comes down to the bacteria and the environment.
[00:11:57] I always like to say the environment, because then it's a [00:12:00] bigger picture. It's not just these little bugs around. It's really the environment. Cause these guys create assets. They create the environment like cancer. They create whatever they want to live in and they make it happen. Whereas these guys struggle a little bit more.
[00:12:12] Because our diets have eroded us so much. So these guys really do need some pampering in our day and age, unless you really, you go to good one. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah, we'll get it. Some people aren't aren't watching. This is just, you just have to watch, right. You just have to watch.
[00:12:28] Julie Michelson: She's got puppets, ladies and gentlemen.
[00:12:30] Trina Felber: We're going to be talking to me in a minute. your, your mouth is what it really starts. It's the start of the digestion. I always say, if you're not watching, you know, monitoring your oral health, you've missed the first 12 inches of your digestive. And the tube, I say, tongue to tail that is all outside your body.
[00:12:50] If you start to think of your, that tube, that runs from your mouth, the opening of your mouth, all the way down, out that is outside your body and the [00:13:00] membrane that is surrounding all of that, you know, your esophagus, your stomach, your small intestine, large, and everything. That membrane has to be helpful.
[00:13:10] All the way down and if it's not healthy, it becomes what we call leaky. And that leaky syndrome allows for bad stuff to pass through that normally shouldn't pass through that leakiness can start and typically does start inside the mouth. So when you think about a baby being born, I always like to use this analogy.
[00:13:30] People never think about this, but when you're born. You're not in a 100% sterile environment in your mom's womb, but it's pretty sterile compared to the world that we live in. So when a baby is born and the baby's born vaginally, they're born with a dirty nose and dirty mouth, primarily because through the vaginal canal, they collect the bacteria that mom.
[00:13:54] And their nose and in their mouth. And when they take their first breath, they breathe that in. And when they take their [00:14:00] first sip of milk, they swallow that bacteria, that bacteria feeds and seeds their gut. And that is the start of their immune system. That is the relationship between your mouth and your gut babies that are born, that are C-section.
[00:14:16] They lose that they have a sterile nose and a sterile mouth. And when they breathe, they are going to breathe in the wrong type of bacteria. They will not get that boost from mom's bacteria, providing them with the ability to Sue start their immune system system. So that's why sometimes when mom has. Vaginal bacteria, they will do some swabs and put the swabs in baby's nose and mouth.
[00:14:42] That is the reason behind that, but that is the connection. Your mouth is the, is the link between the outside world and your gut. If you have only bad bacteria inside your mouth, how do you know that? First off bad breath, we have been [00:15:00] conditioned to believe that bad breath is. The more that we wear a face mask, the harder it is to even get rid of bad breath.
[00:15:09] And that's because the environment underneath that mask is the best conditions for bad bacteria to grow creates more acid, more acid creates more plaque, more plaque, creates more bacteria. Then we also try to get rid of it with mints and gum gum. And a lot of times, even if it's an artificial sugar, it's.
[00:15:31] Feeding and seeding that bad bacteria, bad breath. This is like a newsflash. You aren't supposed to have bad breath. That is the first sign that there is too many bad guys and not enough. Good guys. When these guys out power, these guys, you have bad breath. Imagine a world where you wake up in the morning and your breath.
[00:15:55] Isn't. And that can happen. That's [00:16:00] what real life should be like without all the junk that's causing these guys to go have a party while you sleep. These guys should be the ones. And for those of you that I forget that you're not, and you're listening. You guys gotta watch. The public are talking. So yes, if you have bad breath, you really shouldn't have bad breath.
[00:16:19] You're using the wrong products and your food probably might be a component of that. So the way to fix that is pretty simple. And it's by switching what you're using. And it's flipping that around when you swallow when you swallow, you swallow, whatever is in your mouth. This is kind of disgusting.
[00:16:35] And people don't realize this, you know, it's like everything. Everything. You eat everything in the air, wherever you, whatever is inside your mouth. You have saliva all day long and you swallow it. So if you're swallowing the bad guys all day long and you expect your gut to get healthy. I think again, it's not going to [00:17:00] happen completely.
[00:17:01] Like you might get a little bit of less symptoms and it'll get a little better, but until you really start with the very starting point, you're really not going to be able to heal yourself completely.
[00:17:12] Julie Michelson: It's so, so very true. I had this flash then, because I don't have a filter I'm going to share. And some people are going to be like, that's disgusting, but that's okay.
[00:17:21] Trina Felber: I love it.
[00:17:22] Julie Michelson: Yeah. Talking about, we're not supposed to have bad breath in, and it is a, it's just, it's a sign, right? It's a signal too much bad bacteria.
[00:17:29] And maybe, maybe some people are going to find this gross, but I think a lot of moms are going to be like, yeah. When my kids were babies, when they were little, if they had bad, I mean, I would check. If I had one son that was prone to sinus infections, that was how I knew the difference between a cold and a sinus infection.
[00:17:51] I would smell his breath. It had a certain smell for a sinus infection, same thing with the upset tummy. [00:18:00] It was a certain smell. So when they were feeling a hundred percent that they had bad breath, they hadn't res baby prep.
[00:18:10] Trina Felber: And that's how it should be. We all see my
[00:18:12] Julie Michelson: We should all have baby breath. It's like puppy breath. Right. So good. Or at least so not offensive.
[00:18:22] So I love that. Okay. So too many bad guys. Is too much acid. We don't want it in our mouths. We don't want to be swallowing it all day long. You just reminded me. I was on with a client this week, who was walking while we were talking and she walked past a house that was doing laundry with clearly not.
[00:18:44] Clean products. And she literally said I can taste it. She was outside. I can. And so you just, I was like, oh, and she's falling on it. And now she's wanting.
[00:18:56] Trina Felber: Right. It's so in the acid, in the mouth. So when [00:19:00] your, when your mouth is acidic, so the bad guys cause acid and the foods, a lot of the foods that we eat, coffee is acidic. Tea is acidic. Red meat is acidic, almost everything, except for like fruits and vegetables are acidic by nature. And any processed foods are acidic by nature, you know, milk, dairy, that kind of stuff.
[00:19:18] So anytime there's acid inside the mind, There's. The, in the minerals in the teeth leave the enamel. So what that means is your, your enamel is made up of calcium phosphorus and a bunch of other less prominent, but still they're minerals, like manganese, Silicon, things like that. When you're eating something that's acidic or brushing with something, that's creating more acid inside your mouth, you're losing minerals all day long.
[00:19:49] And what your mentioned you is remineralized your teacher, the fruits that you eat. And through your saliva, your saliva is the lifeblood of your mouth. It's the secretion. No [00:20:00] one's talking about. And it's probably one of the most, especially in this day and age important minerals are important secretions, body secretions ever.
[00:20:10] And the reason for that is because your saliva, some of the functions of the saliva, it has proteins in it that is made to kill viruses, bacteria, and fungus, right inside your mouth. So you don't swallow them. I said viruses, right? Yes. It's true. It's antimicrobial antifungal antiviral.
[00:20:31] Julie Michelson: So wait a minute. Are you saying the body is designed to fight these things off to
[00:20:37] Trina Felber: I know it's hard to believe that. Like, how did our ancestors survive? This is how they survived that healthy food, healthy saliva, and really, if you are healthy the chances that, you know, that's why some people get colds and some people can be around 300 people that have a cold and walk away with nothing.
[00:20:57] Most likely they have a good microbiome [00:21:00] inside their mouth. The bacteria will help kill the bad stuff and the saliva and those two work together to function. As the start of your immune system, when you're exposed to. Your saliva also has proteins in it that start digesting or enzymes that start digestion as mammals.
[00:21:17] We are the only mammals that have enzymes for digestion in our saliva. Every other mammal swallows it and digestion starts in the stomach, but our star inside the mouth, if your saliva is not healthy, if you're, if you're not producing enough saliva, then that can be an issue with your digestion as well.
[00:21:38] And then finally, Your saliva suppo it's. I hate to say it's alkaline because it's more neutral, but in our ancestors days, because they were eating healthy, more alkaline foods that are saliva, didn't need to be super alkaline to neutralize the acids level of today and today [00:22:00] because we do eat some. Acid food and drank.
[00:22:03] And because our products are designed to cause more acid, our saliva is rendered completely in effective completely. It cannot neutralize acids, which means that the minerals that are in your syllabic, cause this is the only way that you can. Remineralized your teeth naturally. You can't take a supplement.
[00:22:23] You can not take magnesium. You can't not take calcium indirectly. If your gut is healthy and you are absorbing your minerals and your mineral level is high in your or normal in your body, you will have a normal mineral count or level in your saliva. But if you're having an acid condition inside your mouth, that your saliva can't neutralize those add those minerals get swallowed and they just go to waste.
[00:22:51] If you're mineral depleted, because you have leaky gut and malabsorption syndrome or pregnancy will deplete your minerals, then your saliva will do be [00:23:00] depleted. And then the same thing happens. So what happens with that situation is you lose minerals, lose minerals, those minerals, you never replace them.
[00:23:07] You end up with one of two things happening. You either have sensitivities. So hot and cold you, and you're like, oh, that hurts. Or you end up with a cavity. And the only difference is a cavity is more where it's in one localized spot and sensitivity, so they can both be happening at the same time. Of course, or you can have one or the other happening more predominantly.
[00:23:31] And the way to fix that is not necessarily with something that's going to fill, drill and bill you. There is a better.
[00:23:39] Julie Michelson: I love it.
[00:23:41] Trina Felber: There is a better solution, you
[00:23:43] Julie Michelson: Oh good. Because I was really worried that you were just going to be all doom and gloom, even though you're smiling.
[00:23:51] Trina Felber: You don't need to filter on the only time I tell people it really, yes, you probably should do what you're done to size is when there's pain and inflammation [00:24:00] or infection you know, that, you know, obviously there's something else going on there and you probably need to do something. You know, I always say, you know, you should see a biological dentist.
[00:24:08] They're going to use the best, you know, material inside your mouth, the safest material they're going to do the best testing and that kind of thing. But if you're not having like severe pain and there's no infection, you do have room to take some time and try and heal that cavity. And that's where my specialty comes in.
[00:24:26] Julie Michelson: Even before healing the cavity. What if I just, which I don't, but what, what if I just have bad breath and chronic inflammation? I mean, I did at one point, I'm sure the bad breath was there when the chronic inflammation was there, but
[00:24:41] Trina Felber: It's it's the same thing. Yeah. You just change what you're using. You're getting, getting rid of the bad stuff and flipping it out. So what you want to use is something that does the three things. Do you want something that's alkaline, something that has minerals. And something that cleanses or detoxes the [00:25:00] tissues of your mouth.
[00:25:01] So going back to my Western, the price sold story, that's what I formula. I formulated all of my dental products based on his research to do those three things. And if you do those three things, it's really pretty simple to just keep your mouth and breath healthy. You can still have some bad foods. And not destroy your mouth, not destroy your bacteria.
[00:25:25] It's kinda like you know, when you, you know, you're on a diet and you eat something, that's not really on your diet. Yeah. If you do that once or twice, your body can compensate, you know, your body can go with it, but it's the continuous, this is where we're at today is everything so much on the shelf is made to destroy our health.
[00:25:47] It's just being destroyed, being destroyed and your body can't recover. It can't recover. And that's how our dental health is right now. That's why cavities, even though they thought adding fluoride to everything was going to solve that. Florida's not the [00:26:00] answer. We know it don't use it, you
[00:26:02] Julie Michelson: Neurotoxin.
[00:26:03] Trina Felber: Yeah.
[00:26:04] Neurotoxin and yeah, I mean the whole thing, it's horrible and there's so much, it's so simple. I couldn't believe how simple it was. I couldn't believe when I started talking about this, that people didn't get it. I'm like, no, but this is simple. This is so easy. You shouldn't have bad breath. You shouldn't have gum disease.
[00:26:22] Most people don't even know they have gum disease. Like advanced stages, like gum recession, the same thing. Why is that? Why aren't we as a society? Why aren't our dentists talking about us? Why or talking to us about this and it's simply because in their schooling, unless they're really a biological dentist, they're kind of like doctors, you know, doctors don't know, they don't get any clue.
[00:26:46] They get like a two hour lecture on diet. That's it? You know, same thing with dentists, they get older lectures on everything that was on this side of the panel and nothing about what [00:27:00] Dr. Weston a price would talk about in his lectures.
[00:27:05] Julie Michelson: wow. I'm just going to pause for a second because it was for people that. I haven't heard any of this before. That's a lot, it's a lot. You know, to me, I'm like, yeah, go, go, go. And we talked before I turned the, before I hit record, you know, we literally could talk about this for two hours and that's why I was so jazzed to have you on let's really, for people that are like, this sounds crazy.
[00:27:31] And of course I'm using a fluoride toothpaste and this, this she's must be nuts. This woman.
[00:27:38] Trina Felber: She is.
[00:27:39] Julie Michelson: Let's really cannot. One thing that most people listening to this podcast know about is inflammation. And even maybe, probably if they know one lab name it's CRS. Right. So they're looking for C-reactive protein. Is it elevated as a [00:28:00] signal of chronic inflammation, systemic inflammation, connect the dots for us between this oral hygiene and elevated CRP and chronic inflammation.
[00:28:13] Trina Felber: You want me to blow your mind?
[00:28:14] Julie Michelson: Yes. Blow it.
[00:28:17] Trina Felber: So nitric oxide, you know, about nitric oxide, nitric oxide is a vasodilator. So it is basically so important for every organ of your body, but heart health is dependent on blood flow. So when you think about vasodilation or increasing blood flow, increasing oxygen that's where nitric oxide.
[00:28:41] Comes in. And if you are not producing enough nitric oxide, you can have problems throughout your body, but primarily heart health, erectile dysfunction for both men and women, you can have brain fog, [00:29:00] difficulty sleeping slow metabolism, all of these.
[00:29:04] Julie Michelson: we need good blood flow.
[00:29:06] Trina Felber: And ALO nitric oxide stimulates that inflammatory response, your, you know, your levels will be higher if your nitric oxide production is lower.
[00:29:19] So if your mouth bacteria and your gut bacteria is not healthy, you will not produce. Adequate nitric oxide, because it is a, almost like a loop of things that happened. And nitric oxide production is dependent on your bacteria inside.
[00:29:46] Julie Michelson: There we go.
[00:29:47] Trina Felber: Yeah. If your mouth isn't healthy, you will not produce. And so positive, good nitric oxide and enhanced his sleep enhances mood increases the blood flow to the heart increases blood flow [00:30:00] for I rec tile, you know, for men and women, women need an increase in blood flow as well. During. Sexual stimulation and all, you know, so many things are dependent on nitric oxide, and that is where the mouth is connected to inflammatory processes internally as well, not just, you know, bad things getting into your gum tissue,
[00:30:22] Julie Michelson: Right.
[00:30:22] Trina Felber: but also, yeah.
[00:30:25] Also, but because of the nitric oxide production,
[00:30:30] Julie Michelson: I love it. Thank you for just weaving all of that together. I want to ask you, so we talked about product, right? Obviously there you, the, this is what you do. You make products that are not only not harming us, but are beneficial to get us back to that balance that we need to be at. As far as, as taking care of our mouth and our teeth.
[00:30:59] Is there [00:31:00] anything you recommend in addition to brushing.
[00:31:03] Trina Felber: Yeah, I did. I have a whole dental detox program that I put together and it really, it doesn't take any longer than your typical. Brushing your teeth and flossing. You, you might have one extra step, you know, which is scraping your time. If you don't do that already, but scraping your tongue is so important because your tongue is, you know, the tug is the muscle.
[00:31:24] We don't even think about our tongue as being so important, but it's your tongue that literally makes your posture either really good or really bad. Your posture follows your tongue muscles. So a lot of people that Yeah, we don't even realize that you can exercise your time. If you push it all the way up to the roof of your mouth, you can, and you feel the allegation of your neck.
[00:31:46] So many times we're like either looking up cranking our necks, we're looking down and that muscle becomes strained or impaired. Scraping your tongue is extremely important because the bacteria that lives on your time is contributing [00:32:00] in a big way to your overall health, because it is creating that biofilm and then that acid condition.
[00:32:07] So even if you're brushing your teeth and you're getting rid of the good, the bad stuff, brushing your teeth with the right products, but you're not removing the bacteria on your tongue, then you're going to end up with. Still more acid than you want because that bacteria is just creating acid. So I came up with, for the people that can see I'll hold it up.
[00:32:25] This is what my desert detox kit looks like. You get everything that you need for a 60 day supply to take care of your mouth. You get two tooth powders. One is a morning and one is a nighttime formula. And the only difference is that the nighttime formula has some charcoal for added detox and nighttime.
[00:32:42] When you're sleeping. Body typically will regenerate and detox. So by using the charcoal one that will help facilitate that inside your mouth. You get a bamboo toothbrush. I don't know if people know this, but I plastic tubers. So not only is my mission to help you stay healthy, but my mission is also mother earth.
[00:32:59] She [00:33:00] gives me every ingredient that I use for my products and I don't want to pollute her because if I start polluting mother earth myself my products are going to come back polluted in some way, shape or form. So.
[00:33:11] Julie Michelson: and when you're, when you're as conscientious as I am, in addition to that, I know want the plastic in my mouth. I don't use plastic anywhere else. Why would I put it in my mouth?
[00:33:21] Trina Felber: Right. And the bamboo. So plastic takes over 400 years to biodegrade, but my bamboo toothbrush and I just came out with a Sonic toothbrush that has bamboo replacement heads.
[00:33:34] Julie Michelson: Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited.
[00:33:36] Trina Felber: is so cool. This is so-called because it, the bamboo replacement, this we've just launched this done two days
[00:33:44] Julie Michelson: you just made my day. You have no idea.
[00:33:46] Trina Felber: When you throw this away or my other toothbrush six months, that's it, it's gone in six months.
[00:33:52] It's not leaving a footprint. And the Sonic vibrations on this are gentler because too much vibration can actually wear [00:34:00] down your gum tissue and not stimulate blood flow the right way can be an overt, which can then do the opposite. When you do work out to her, you can have too much like lactic
[00:34:10] Julie Michelson: you're driving inflammation.
[00:34:11] Trina Felber: Yeah, right. So this is very gentle, soothing vibration with a really soft bristle. That's going to help stimulate the blood flow so that
[00:34:21] Julie Michelson: now.
[00:34:22] Trina Felber: yep. On the website it's available now. Yeah. Yeah. It's so, so we've been waiting for awhile,
[00:34:27] Julie Michelson: so I can go order.
[00:34:32] Trina Felber: Gum Sarah, my gum serum is made it replaces mouthwash. So when you start my program, you get rid of everything else. You don't use anything else because unfortunately the other stuff is going to impede what this is doing. My mouthwash is made of olive oil and essential oils, and you put a drop or two on your finger and you just rub it on your gums, but that's simple.
[00:34:53] You get my dental. It's a floss pick it's made from cornstarch. It's biodegradable is a bamboo [00:35:00] string. Perfect. And then my copper tongue scraper will last a lifetime last year.
[00:35:05] Julie Michelson: I've had mine for, oh my gosh, at least 10 years.
[00:35:09] Trina Felber: Yeah. They
[00:35:10] Julie Michelson: will say this for everybody listening, who hasn't used a tongue scraper, you will never go back. I mean, like I, that I no longer even have the thought that my mouth feels clean without completing, by scraping my tongue. I love
[00:35:28] Trina Felber: it's a game changer.
[00:35:29] Julie Michelson: and the copper's great.
[00:35:30] Trina Felber: We call it the magic wand and copper Zena, bacterial, and a recordable. So when you're scraping it, you're using something that is going to be effective at killing bacteria. And then finally, because most people struggle with natural deodorants and I formulated mine in a way.
[00:35:47] For it to work for most people without baking soda. You get a sample of my free deodorant in there as well. So that's, that's the kit. And then my teeth whitening. Have you, have you used or seen my [00:36:00] teeth whitening?
[00:36:00] Julie Michelson: I have.
[00:36:02] Trina Felber: So my led teeth whitening kit has phenomenal because it uses both red and blue light to actually do damage to the bacteria, to kill bacteria.
[00:36:14] It's this is interesting, bad bacteria has like a heat. Component or an iron component to it. And it kills blue light will kill that bacteria because of the, the heme component. Good bacteria does not have that. So blue light can actually penetrate. So if you have pockets of your gums between your teeth and the root.
[00:36:36] It can penetrate into the pockets and kill the bacteria in there. It also has red light. Red light is for the gum tissue increases blood flow reduces inflammation. Red light does the same thing for your mouth. It's at the right wavelength. You put it in your mouth and it also stimulates collagen production, which is really important and rebuilding the gum tissue.
[00:36:57] And then you can also do a setting that does both red and [00:37:00] blue lights and it's a 15 minute treatment. And. The gel that we make, that I made is peroxide free because peroxide damages the enamel and will actually vaporize metals. If you have any metal left in your mouth, that will actually vaporize metal.
[00:37:16] And so it's an olive oil base with some clay in it and some essential oils in it.
[00:37:23] Julie Michelson: Wonderful. And I know there you have gifted some discount codes to listeners and those will, those links will be in the show notes as well. Before we do wrap up, where can listeners find you? Where can they were? How could I have known yesterday that you were launching the new toothbrush?
[00:37:46] Trina Felber: Primal life organics is where I am primal life organics.com. We're on Instagram and Facebook. Instagram is prime alive org. And other than that, you know, I'm found on a lot of podcasts like yours, Julia, I mean, and, and my team [00:38:00] gets the, you know, support you, but click through the links that Julie provides for you, because you're going to get the best discount, the best discount through those links.
[00:38:09] Julie Michelson: Absolutely. So I normally, I typically ask people to give listeners one step and I actually, instead of asking you, I'm going to say click through those links and, and order that kit, it just. It literally, life-changing starting with the proper oral hygiene and, and supporting that microbiome. So we promised you promise before we started that you were going to come back so that we can talk about.
[00:38:42] Skincare, because there were about 20 things, even just with the oral health that we didn't get to today. So I am excited to have you back on and I cannot thank you enough for being here. You have enlightened us.[00:39:00]
[00:39:00] Trina Felber: And let me leave you with this little cliffhanger for skin. Cause I like to do that. I get asked all the time, what is the worst ingredient in skincare? And it's really super simple and easy. Do you know, do you want to guess?
[00:39:14] Julie Michelson: Well now I'm going to let you, I mean, there's, I just a list ran through my head,
[00:39:19] Trina Felber: Yeah. There's one, if you eliminate one ingredient in skincare, you eliminate almost all the other ones that just ran through your.
[00:39:27] Julie Michelson: fragrance, what do to.
[00:39:32] Trina Felber: Water water is toxic because it's tap water. I'll get into that. There's birth control. There's antidepressants all the stuff that's in water. And it's the primary component to skincare. It's not making you, it's not making you pretty. It's making you pretty ugly. So we'll talk about that.
[00:39:55] Julie Michelson: Trina, thank you so much that you there's the cliff. It is a cliffhanger [00:40:00] and everybody's going, wait a minute. What?
[00:40:03] Trina Felber: Going to be checking their ingredients and going, oh my God, everything I have is in water. And that's my point. And so when we get into the why and how you know, my favorite setting is dehydrate your skincare, not your skin, because not only is it not like poisoning, you, it's also causing premature aging for other reasons.
[00:40:21] Julie Michelson: Yeah, well, I can't wait to have you back so we can hear all about it. Thank you for mouthing off with us today
[00:40:29] Trina Felber: Thank you.
[00:40:31] Julie Michelson: for everyone listening. Remember you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting inspired living.show. I hope you had a great time and enjoy this episode as much as I did. I we'll see you all next week.
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Trina Felber is the Creator and CEO of Primal Life Organics, a premier, all-natural dental care company that focuses on oral health as the gateway to internal health.
She believes that the antiseptic products we use in our mouths are doing more harm than good. After more than 25 years as a registered nurse, Trina has transitioned into an oral health expert.
She created natural products to biohack your dental health for stronger, cleaner, whiter teeth and improved overall health. She is the best-selling author of Beauty's Dirty Secret: 3 Simple Steps To Superpower Your Skin.
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