Episode 36
Table of Contents:
In this episode:
In today's episode, Dave takes us through his approach to optimizing health by keeping it simple!
The beauty is that everything we discuss supports the healthy stay young and those with chronic illness and autoimmune symptoms reclaim health!
It is time to stop complicating and "stressifying" health and get back to basics.
7 Simple Principles for Extraordinary Health
'I want to live young until I am done."
Dave encourages everyone to start a meditation practice as his number one step to improve health.
The beauty is that everything we discuss supports the healthy stay young and those with chronic illness and autoimmune symptoms reclaim health!
It is time to stop complicating and "stressifying" health and get back to basics.
7 Simple Principles for Extraordinary Health
- Drink enough water
- Eat slowly and mindfully
- Intermittent Fasting
- Eat healthy proteins, fats, and carbohydrates at every meal
- Simple supplement strategy
- Move daily
- 7-9 hours of sleep
'I want to live young until I am done."
Dave encourages everyone to start a meditation practice as his number one step to improve health.
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Get our 10 page PDF “The Dirobi UnDiet”
Episode Transcript
Julie Michelson: Welcome back to the inspired living with auto-immunity podcast. I'm your host, Julie Michelson. And today we're joined by Dave Sherwin, entrepreneur certified fitness nutrition coach, and host of the Dairobi show. Dave shares his seven simple principles for extraordinary health, and we couldn't be more on the same page in our approach to wellness.
[Page//00:00:57] Join us to learn how to Uplevel your health [Page//00:01:00] by mastering the mundane.
[Page//00:01:02] Dave welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you here today.
[Page//00:01:06] Dave Sherwin: I am excited to be here. I've been looking forward to this.
[Page//00:01:09] Julie Michelson: I have as well, I knew we were kind enough to have me on your podcast and I'm looking forward to continuing our conversation.
[Page//00:01:19] Dave Sherwin: Me too. It was a great discussion. And there's, there's always more to talk about. The world of health is so incredibly vast that it's great to do a round two and go in different directions.
[Page//00:01:31] Julie Michelson: I couldn't be more on the same page. I love to start out by inviting you to share with listeners your journey. Most of us don't end up in this world because we dreamt about it when we were little. So what's your story? How did you get here?
[Page//00:01:50] Dave Sherwin: Yeah, I'll try to keep it brief. I, it really started a very long time ago. I, when I was a kid, I was the shy, awkward kid who didn't make friends who wanted, who cried on the first day of [Page//00:02:00] school because I wanted to go home with my mommy. Okay. I was that kid. Right. And I was socially backwards. And. Terrified when people paid attention to me, that type of thing.
[Page//00:02:10] But in about seventh grade some kids are trying to dunk a small ball, maybe a soft ball sized ball on the low hoop of the elementary school. Maybe it's seven feet high. I was taller than them. And I was like, Can I try, you know, and I went up and I was able to dunk the small ball on the hoop and it was my first memory and this feeling of accomplishment of doing a cool thing with my body, you know, it's sort of the first memory I have of doing anything really athletic that felt really fulfilling.
[Page//00:02:36] Okay. And that led to me getting interested in sports and basketball and. It was sh it was really formative for me. I eventually went to plan a team. I had to be comfortable with other people. I had to be able to plan in front of a crowd. I was introduced to weightlifting and to nutrition and to practicing hard and all the things that come with high school sports.
[Page//00:02:58] And it really [Page//00:03:00] changed my life. It gave me more confidence in. A path for me to become eventually an entrepreneur. And I started my first business in 1993 and I've been self-employed ever since. And, and, and that is a hard road and it's been up and down. There's there's times of plenty and there's times of famine and I've been through all of it.
[Page//00:03:17] And I could tell you all kinds of heroic and terrible stories.
[Page//00:03:24] Julie Michelson: Sure that combo goes. That's what being an entrepreneur is.
[Page//00:03:28] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. And, and I finally eventually sold a business and. And that was really fun. I I've made more money on it than I thought I would. And I was introduced to the concept of buying and selling businesses. And so my entrepreneurial itch went from building businesses to buying and selling, but I had a colossal failure in about 2000.
[Page//00:03:48] It was we were, we had a business that was run off of five servers. It was an e-commerce business and it was hacked and we could not fix it. And every time we fired up those servers, again, the [Page//00:04:00] spammer who had hacked us started sending out massive amounts of, of spam emails off of those servers. And the data farm kept shutting us down.
[Page//00:04:07] Horrific story, lost a business, completely went from making a living to. Bankruptcy, like nothing, no income suddenly out of the blue in June of 2009. And that was just devastating and it was a fun business. I loved it and there's no way I could recreate it. Because I needed the data off those servers.
[Page//00:04:26] We had thousands of customers in that business and it was all gone well. I was literally calling friends and family. I was like, I'm out of business. I'm looking for something. And my friend, Dan, so Dave, you're an entrepreneur. You're never going to be a good employee. But what I don't understand is why have you never done a health business?
[Page//00:04:48] You are always talking about fitness and racist, you do, and supplements and diets, and you read books about your true interest is health and wellness, and I've [Page//00:05:00] never understood why you didn't do a health and wellness business. And the light bulbs went off. I thought this is, and I said, well, Dan, what would I do?
[Page//00:05:08] And he said, well, everyone wants to lose weight. Why don't you find a great weight, loss, diet, and supplement that helps the diet and do a simple, here's a plan. Here's a supplement put up a website. I went to work. I put up this website, found a product, did some research, found a niche, a niche where certain people were very interested in rapid weight loss with a low calorie diet.
[Page//00:05:30] I don't advise that anymore, but at the time it was all the rage. And so I just went with what people were wanting. Really. I just went where the, you know, where, where the fish were feeding. Okay. And six months later we were doing a hundred thousand dollars a month of sales in a weight loss program.
[Page//00:05:47] Something I'd never thought. Or entertained before. And so I combined my interest in health and fitness with my entrepreneurial skills and everything I'd learned about e-commerce and boom. All of a sudden I was in the [Page//00:06:00] health and wellness business and it has, it has morphed and grown from there. I've learned a lot.
[Page//00:06:05] I've learned a lot about weight loss. I've learned about the various challenges that people go through. And, and That's how I got, I got here really was through business. And at first it was, wow, this is a great business, but then it very quickly became about people very, very quickly. I realized, oh, there are some real world challenges here.
[Page//00:06:23] There are people who really struggle and people wonder, well, can I do this diet? Because I've had my gallbladder removed. I have a hyper active thyroid. I have this, I have that. And suddenly I was, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm in over my head. And so over time I got certification and I had to really figure out what to say.
[Page//00:06:40] I had to hire very professional customer support reps with, with experience, had to learn the ins and outs of the FTC and the FDA and all the things you can. And can't say, so I went through this massive reorientation from being an entrepreneur, really, to being a health guy and blended the two together.
[Page//00:06:58] Julie Michelson: Which is beautiful. And I [Page//00:07:00] love that. I mean, that's what they always say, right. Do do. That's what I taught my kids, follow what you love and the business will come from that. And so I love that you, you just reverse engineered it. You got the entrepreneurial thing down. And then you were like, oh wait, I can, I can actually spend my days, you know, using the things I'm researching for my own health and wellness, which is fantastic.
[Page//00:07:29] One of the things I wanted to talk about today I'm going to quote you directly. You said you know, when you're experienced people complicate and stress Ify, And I'm always talking about how, you know, stress management. I used to always say diet is, you know, we always start with diet. I say, you know, there's all these pillars, but we start with diet.
[Page//00:07:53] And then I learned as a coach that I was adding stress by doing that by jumping right [Page//00:08:00] in with people, you know, change this, change that, and not managing stress first. And so just. Discussing this with you makes me think of my favorite thing. And I apologize to all of the other professors who taught me wonderful things in college.
[Page//00:08:16] But my favorite thing I learned was in an industrial psychology class and it was the kiss method. Keep it simple, stupid and not, you know, you can add a nicer S. That was the eighties and we were politically incorrect back then. Nobody was offended by it. It was fine. But that's what I really want to talk about today.
[Page//00:08:37] I know you have these seven simple. Principles. So it's all about keeping it simple, to really help people elevate their health and wellness. And we chatted a little bit off air because I said, oh my gosh, Dave, how are we going to cover all of this? And we decided we're probably not. So if you would start us off with what are those [Page//00:09:00] seven things, and then we'll dig into as many as we can.
[Page//00:09:03] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. And before I forget, Julie, when you give out the, the, our, our link to the website and stuff, I have a free PDF called the dire OB Undiet. It's on the resources pages, page of our website. And so people can download that so that you can get the whole story easily. There. It's a simple 10 page read, and it's very graphical.
[Page//00:09:20] Your kids could read it in about five minutes, so it shouldn't be too hard. It's an easy read,
[Page//00:09:25] Julie Michelson: I love to see simple. I love it.
[Page//00:09:27] Dave Sherwin: simple, all about
[Page//00:09:28] Julie Michelson: all, we all like pictures.
[Page//00:09:31] Dave Sherwin: You know what, Julie, we're flawed. As human beings, we are flawed. We're all very flood, but we tend to not see our own blind spots. And so when people say to us, we need to manage our stress.
[Page//00:09:42] We ought to have a meditation program. We ought to do this. We ought to do that. Well, I've heard all those things and I never started a lot of those things until I was ready. As a matter of fact, I don't do anything till I'm ready. I don't know about
[Page//00:09:54] Julie Michelson: none of us
[Page//00:09:54] Dave Sherwin: or your listeners. There has to be a point in our life where we've reached the mature either the [Page//00:10:00] maturity level, or maybe we're just sick and tired of being sick and tired.
[Page//00:10:03] Who knows? Maybe we just, we just can't do everything at one time. Right? So there comes a time. We're ready, but. But this issue of distress suffering, the fact is many, many people enter their diet or their new eating program or whatever it is with the same old mindset that has failed them previously. And they think the new plan is the pro is the solution.
[Page//00:10:26] And the, and the new plan is probably no better than the last 10 plans. If the plan, isn't the problem. It's the person taking the same problems from plan to plan to plan. That's a problem. We never want to look at things that way, right? It's hard for us to take total responsibility in our lives, but at the same time, Julie, a lot of those plans are ridiculous.
[Page//00:10:47] They're not sustainable and no one wants to be without a treat ever again in their life. Right. Very few. Anyway, many of these [Page//00:11:00] diets are just not sustainable. So what I want to do is read you these seven principles. These are from my 13 years in the health and wellness industry, we've had well over a million customers.
[Page//00:11:08] Julie, we, I could show, I could write a book just on the support tickets that we have done and the various challenges, the real challenges people face in improving their health and from my own personal certification, from all that experience, I'm going to read you these seven things. Number one, people don't drink enough water. And they drink too much of other stuff. Now this is simple, but before I read the rest of the list, one more principle. I want to say for the vast majority of us, we have to take our mind and our eye off of the silver bullet syndrome that we tend to have. And we have to learn to master the mundane. If you're to watch a healthy person's habits for a week, if you could just kind of shadow them for a week, what you
[Page//00:11:55] Julie Michelson: that exciting.
[Page//00:11:56] Dave Sherwin: looks boring.
[Page//00:11:58] Julie Michelson: Yeah.
[Page//00:11:58] Dave Sherwin: Good health looks [Page//00:12:00] boring. Success in business looks boring. There's ups and downs, successes and failures, but there's just a daily general routine that successful people do that leads to success. There's a simple daily routine that healthy people do. And it's not that interesting and often not that different from what unhealthy people.
[Page//00:12:20] But one of them is they drink more water and less of other stuff. You got to drink at least half your body weight in ounces of water per day. Number two is you got to eat all your food slowly and mindfully. Again, it's not very hard. It doesn't cost any money, but it's incredibly important. We can come back to why that is.
[Page//00:12:34] If you like number three is intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting is not a. It's not new. It was the way our ancestors evolved and lived for hundreds of thousands of years with a circadian rhythm based on the rising of the sun and the setting of the sun and eating during that time. And it took a little time.
[Page//00:12:55] They couldn't just walk to the fridge and get food. Right. So our body has the genetic. [Page//00:13:00] To thrive on eating a little later in the morning and stopping eating after sunset. And we're set up for that. And the science is there to back up that modern humans also thrive when they eat that way. Number four is we all need to eat healthy.
[Page//00:13:15] Proteins fats and carbs. Those are the three building blocks of health and some diets kind of ignore those. You can't ignore those. You need carbs for hormones and for energy and the other things that they do, you need, you need protein. It's the building block of your body. You need fat for your soft tissue and a lot of other reasons.
[Page//00:13:32] And if you can get all three with each meal, you will be much healthier than the average person. Number five is observe a simple supplement stress. The bio-hacking of the last 10 to 15 years has been so educational for all of us, millions of people who have had blood work done millions of, and guess what?
[Page//00:13:52] The biohacking industry attracts healthy people. So already above average, really healthy people have had tons of [Page//00:14:00] blood work done and found out that there are certain things are deficient in no matter what. A quick example, 76% of Americans are deficient in vitamin D. They're eating plenty of vitamin D, but it's not absorbing.
[Page//00:14:13] They're not getting it from the right sources. Okay. And so they're just not in the food, but for whatever reason, and this is something you can easily test for yourself. There's a certain and should on a regular eye test every six months, Julie, I don't know about you, but.
[Page//00:14:27] Julie Michelson: Oh, at least.
[Page//00:14:30] Dave Sherwin: Wonderful. And for those of you listening, there's a great lesson right there.
[Page//00:14:33] But what you're going to find is that there are certain things you should supplement on and I'm happy to talk about those number six, we need to, we need to move our body daily. I love the term PMP personal movement plan. And for those of you listening, just ask yourself, do you have a personal movement plan?
[Page//00:14:50] And maybe there's a couple test questions I can do. What was your exercise this week? What was it yesterday? What's it going to be tomorrow? And what realm of health we'll [Page//00:15:00] focus on strength or cardio or mobility will be a hit workout or a long slow, steady workout. It doesn't matter, as long as it's part of your plan that works for you, but most people don't have that plan and worse.
[Page//00:15:13] They don't move their body daily. And so they're too sedentary and they are causing mobility problems in the future. Their future lives are, are leading to hunch back you know, shortened hit, hit, hit Tendons and just lack of mobility and, you know, I don't know about you, but I, I want to, whatever my life ends, I want it to be it.
[Page//00:15:35] I want to be as healthy as possible.
[Page//00:15:38] Julie Michelson: I want to live young until I'm done.
[Page//00:15:41] Dave Sherwin: That's. I love that. Okay. That's you nailed it. I love that statement. I'm going to steal that.
[Page//00:15:46] Julie Michelson: I'm writing it. I was like, wow, where'd that come from?
[Page//00:15:49] Dave Sherwin: Oh, you just made that up. I was brilliant. A flash of genius. I will credit you when I say. And the last one Julia has get seven to nine hours of sleep every night [Page//00:16:00] and try to make that at a consistent time, as much as possible. Our modern lifestyle is making it difficult to do all seven of these things.
[Page//00:16:09] At the same time, our modern lifestyle gives us all the tools. We need to do them at a very high level. It's kind of a catch 22. They're easy to do, and they're easy not to do, but Julie, I absolutely believe. But if your listeners would do these seven things and forget Quito and forget all of the diets they've ever heard of before and forget everything difficult and actually just settled, settle back and go, okay.
[Page//00:16:35] Today I'm going to drink enough water. I'm going to eat healthy carbs fats and protein. I think I'll I'll stop watching Netflix a little earlier and I'll go to bed at 10 or 10 30 and so on and just live that way. I'm telling you, you'd be amazed how healthy you're going to be in six months.
[Page//00:16:54] Julie Michelson: I hear here I can we just play that on a loop [Page//00:17:00] it's and they, I may do all support each other. You know, when you're talking about eating on the circadian rhythm and sleeping and moving and all of these things if we simplify it and, and I love, oh my gosh, there's I want to talk about all seven. Love, I want to underscore what you said about the food and I, and I, I am always, I say there's no one, right diet.
[Page//00:17:29] But the, but the, or eating plan. But the one thing is real food. Right? And you mentioned. Quality proteins and fats and carbs and carbs. I'm going to underscore carbs are not evil. We all know we need carbs. We all need carbs, but we need healthy carbs. And I, I joke, I tell people, people say, you know, well, you know what about plant-based?
[Page//00:17:54] And I said, well, I eat plant-based. It just also has animal protein, but my [Page//00:18:00] plate is always covered. And vegetables. It just also has really good high quality, healthy protein with it.
[Page//00:18:07] Dave Sherwin: Julie, many people mistake the word plant-based for vegan or vegetarian plant-based is not. I mean, if you're going to be
[Page//00:18:13] Julie Michelson: Not as I define
[Page//00:18:14] Dave Sherwin: then be vegan, vegan or vegetarian, plant-based literally means what it says. It means that the basis of your diet comes from fruits and vegetables. Now I forgot a major point, but you'll those of you who read the book would catch this.
[Page//00:18:29] When we talk about eating healthy carbs fats and protein, we want five to nine servings of fruits and veggies mixed into that. Now veggies and fruit Nate should make up most of your carbs that those are carbs. Carbs. Don't come from a bag. I mean, they, they, they do, but, but the carbs that I'm talking about don't don't have nutritional facts.
[Page//00:18:48] They don't have boxes and they do require refrigeration.
[Page//00:18:54] Julie Michelson: I love that. Well, and that's, you know, people will say to me, well, can I do this [Page//00:19:00] eating plan? You know, then what's the difference between this or keto or. Then you're tweaking. Right. Then it's just, where is your level of fat versus your level of carbs and not everybody has to do PIDO and not everybody should do KIDO.
[Page//00:19:13] But, but if you're starting with those three key ingredients on your plate, I love that you said every meal, people are shocked when I say, yeah, you should have vegetables with breakfast. They're like, oh, wow.
[Page//00:19:28] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. And, and you know what, though, once you get it, do you know how I got vegetables with breakfast this morning? I slathered my eggs with guacamole.
[Page//00:19:36] Julie Michelson: Yeah,
[Page//00:19:37] Dave Sherwin: It's delicious
[Page//00:19:39] Julie Michelson: it is. It
[Page//00:19:40] Dave Sherwin: it's just adding a fat, some fat and carbs, healthy carbs, and a vegetable into an otherwise usually vegetable list meal.
[Page//00:19:52] Julie Michelson: Yeah. And I, I love.
[Page//00:19:54] Dave Sherwin: same way.
[Page//00:19:55] Julie Michelson: Yep. I love always having like a big pan of roast [Page//00:20:00] veggies in the fridge where you can just, I can add them to any meal without thought. I want it back all the way up. I just had a conversation with the doctor I worked with last week about water. So I do want to go all the way back to.
[Page//00:20:15] Dave Sherwin: I'll have a drink of water while we.
[Page//00:20:17] Julie Michelson: I will toast you with mine. It is something that our conversation was, was a reminder for us. When somebody has, oh my gosh. I mean, there's just a list of symptoms or things. I don't remember if it came up with dry skin or what it, what it was in this particular case, but a reminder for the coaches, the practitioners to back up and see, remember to ask, are you drinking enough water?
[Page//00:20:48] Right. Because
[Page//00:20:49] Dave Sherwin: It's question
[Page//00:20:50] Julie Michelson: basic that I forget to ask. I know.
[Page//00:20:53] Dave Sherwin: the number one question that almost no doctor asks him. Well, no, almost no doctor has ever asked me how much water do you [Page//00:21:00] drink and what do you eat?
[Page//00:21:02] Julie Michelson: Yeah,
[Page//00:21:02] Dave Sherwin: It's absolutely bizarre. It makes absolutely no sense. A person comes in. I feel like crap. Oh, well, give me a, you know, keep, keep track of what you eat for the next three days and come back and see me.
[Page//00:21:14] That's all they have to do to start with. And you find me a doctor that does that. It's absolutely psychotic. I'll give you, I can give you an example. Let's put this in real life. So this guy comes into a doctor who says I've been to multiple doctors. I have high blood pressure, nothing touches it. I'm on five minutes. wow. This doctor had common sense. She said, keep track of what you eat and drink for the next few days and come back and see me. He comes back. He's a construction worker. He was drinking 15 Gatorades a day on the construction site
[Page//00:21:45] Julie Michelson: Wow.
[Page//00:21:46] Dave Sherwin: is sodium level was jacked. She took him off the Gatorade and then later took him off all the drugs.
[Page//00:21:53] Julie Michelson: Yeah.
[Page//00:21:54] Dave Sherwin: But five doctors before her didn't ask what the freaking guy was [Page//00:22:00] putting in his body and just gave him a drug.
[Page//00:22:02] Julie Michelson: Yeah,
[Page//00:22:02] Dave Sherwin: Absolutely bizarre.
[Page//00:22:04] Julie Michelson: I believe in they're good practitioners in every area of medicine, but the, the functional medicine approach is effective.
[Page//00:22:16] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. Welcome dogs.
[Page//00:22:20] Julie Michelson: I warned you.
[Page//00:22:22] Dave Sherwin: I love it.
[Page//00:22:22] Julie Michelson: It's so effective because most Western trained dogs don't ever ask what you're eating. I've worked with diabetics that were never told. How about don't have oatmeal for breakfast?
[Page//00:22:35] If you're a type one diabetic,
[Page//00:22:37] Dave Sherwin: Yeah.
[Page//00:22:38] Julie Michelson: had ever explained, you know, the carbs drive, blood sugar.
[Page//00:22:44] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. Yeah, but I don't want to get too off the track. And like you said, I don't, I also don't offend anybody, but again, this is about you listener. Those of you listening, this is you make sure you understand these principles. We're not going to change the entire medical community. Although I think it is going in a positive direction at the [Page//00:23:00] moment, but it really, we, the only person we can control in this life is ourselves.
[Page//00:23:05] And so this is all about doing what's best and figuring out the best lifestyle for us in our family.
[Page//00:23:11] Julie Michelson: And it is the, it's the simple things that are so empowering.
[Page//00:23:15] Dave Sherwin: Yeah.
[Page//00:23:16] Julie Michelson: the quote unquote, just drinking water. I know I actually have one in my family. There are actually people who don't like. Like, they just don't like how it tastes. And so then we need to do, you know, simple things to, to, to get it. I can't imagine I love water.
[Page//00:23:33] I, it's not something I ever have to think about personally, you know, am I getting enough water? But it is, we are made of.
[Page//00:23:41] Dave Sherwin: And I have a few, you know, this is one of our products. Mimi's miracle minerals. And I don't know is your podcast video, or you just produce the audio.
[Page//00:23:49] Julie Michelson: W we'll have video as well. But audio are
[Page//00:23:51] Dave Sherwin: Okay. So for those of you that can't see what I just showed us. Basically, it's a trace mineral product. Now, if you add trace it for those of you who drink water and it hurts, [Page//00:24:00] and Julie you'd be amazed. How many people fall into this category? They actually drink water and it feels like a rock sitting in their stomach.
[Page//00:24:07] That's how they'll often describe it. Now. Chances are their water is too hard. And if this is a little known trick, but if you add trace minerals to your water, It breaks down the surface tension of the water and it doesn't give that effect. Plus it's more hydrating. The water gets carried to the cells and absorbed better.
[Page//00:24:24] So that's a great trick. Adding flavorings to your water, herbal teas, lemon, raw raspberries,
[Page//00:24:32] Julie Michelson: Cucumber.
[Page//00:24:34] Dave Sherwin: all that stuff takes just a little bit of effort, but once you're in the habit of it, and you got these things on your grocery list in your aunts, your water, all of a sudden water. Crisp and satiating and satisfying.
[Page//00:24:45] And and it's, well-worth overcoming these other chemicals that you're drinking and becoming a fan of water.
[Page//00:24:53] Julie Michelson: I love that. I, I just, again, it's the it's as simple as it [Page//00:25:00] gets really. Let's talk a little bit about, this is the second time today. This has come up for me. And I am such a believer. Let's talk a little bit about this. Why does it matter if we eat slow? If we're mindful, some people say, if we're grateful, what, what ha what does it matter?
[Page//00:25:18] How we eat? If we're eating good.
[Page//00:25:21] Dave Sherwin: It matters in, in a variety of ways. So if we're with other people, it matters socially that we're actually enjoying the company and we're, we've got our phone upside down and we're paying attention to the people that we're with physiologically. It matters even more because our stomach is not a hole at the bottom of our throat.
[Page//00:25:37] It's just full of stomach acid that just absorbs the food. Our stomach has, has a series of folds. Now, first of all, slow reading starts with slow, not necessarily slow chewing, but lots of chewing. We should choose to the consistency of applesauce. That's working in the enzymes, especially those enzymes, that break down starch and carbs.
[Page//00:25:56] Then when we swallow that food, it goes, starts going through the folds of the [Page//00:26:00] stomach. Now the hormones in our stomach that determined that we're full or are not perfect. They're about 20 minutes behind. So what happens is when we eat very quickly, the food is hitting the beginning, folds of those stomachs of our stomach, not choosing.
[Page//00:26:14] So the enzymes that need to be there, aren't there. And then the stomach is working slowly to work it through all those folds and work all the new enzymes and then the stomach acid into the food. And the problem is we put too much food on the, at the top. At the beginning of that process, when we eat quickly, then later we're notified that we're full, the hormone triggers the brain, but we're, it's too late now.
[Page//00:26:37] We're uncomfortable studies show that people who eat solely and mindfully eat 20% less food and other studies show that the average person who gains weight and is obese by the time they're 40, does it by eating about 20%, too much food. This literally could solve the problem because many people, Julie [Page//00:27:00] they're at their ideal body weight when they're 20 and they're obese when they're.
[Page//00:27:04] And they do it at about a rate of 22 pounds a year, which is over 20 years, about 40 pounds. And now you're obese 40 pounds heavier than you should be. And so it wasn't a lot back to this master, the mundane and the boring aspect of health. You're just trying to keep off to get your ideal body weight. And then don't add two pounds a year, right.
[Page//00:27:25] And eating slowly and mindfully could be step one to reversing the process for most.
[Page//00:27:31] Julie Michelson: I love, you know, you mentioned before the idea of intermittent fasting, isn't new as you started talking about chewing and getting to the consistency of applesauce, my grandfather, and he was a character. Used to always say, you know, two until you barely have to swallow. Like that was any that man could chew.
[Page//00:27:55] I mean, his enzymes were working.
[Page//00:27:59] Dave Sherwin: yeah.[Page//00:28:00]
[Page//00:28:00] Julie Michelson: but if we think about to so many of the people I work with. You know, have digestive issues, whether they're aware or not, and, and S you know, supplement with enzymes, and here's a way for free to get that going and start that digestion working properly to begin with.
[Page//00:28:19] Dave Sherwin: Can I tell you something really quick? Well, Julie.
[Page//00:28:20] Julie Michelson: Please,
[Page//00:28:22] Dave Sherwin: My last biohack test personally was my first GI tract test. I've never done one before. I usually do blood work. I did my first GI test. So I nurse calls me up to do a zoom call to go over the results. And she's acting kind of funny like, oh, wow. This is really an interesting test.
[Page//00:28:40] Tell me a little about yourself. And so I told her I'd get them to get blood. My bit of my background. I said, why are you asking? She says, I've done 2000 of these, and this is the best one I've seen.
[Page//00:28:51] Julie Michelson: Yeah.
[Page//00:28:51] Dave Sherwin: And I was like, yes, yes. And she wanted to know what I was doing. Well, I just gave you all the answer. You see. [Page//00:29:00] We talk about the GI tract test for those of you listening, basically saying how well you're doing in your, your microbiome, biome and your gut health, right? Gut health is a big deal. We all know it. Well, guess what? I think that eating vegetables every day, stopping eating at dinner time and giving my stuff.
[Page//00:29:18] A lot of time to process everything is all I really need to do. And so I don't do much. I don't do anything special. I don't do anything really exciting. I don't follow a named. I just follow these principles. And I got to tell you, Juliet was the, it was so validating to have a scientific study. Tell me that these things flat out work and I'm having her on my podcast actually.
[Page//00:29:45] To go over this and then to encourage other people to do it the same thing. So anyways, just total validation. I hope it doesn't sound like I'm bragging. I'm I'm excited about it. I don't mean to come across as arrogant or something or better than anybody else. To me, it was just a tribute to
[Page//00:29:59] Julie Michelson: It [Page//00:30:00] works.
[Page//00:30:01] Dave Sherwin: The simple system might sound simple, but it's incredibly effective.
[Page//00:30:05] Julie Michelson: Super effective. And as somebody who looks at labs a lot and orders, labs a lot for my clients when you get that rare standout, I recently had that with a toxin panel, and again, I specialize in auto-immunity and so I know really ugly looking toxin panels are typically what come with. My laptop. And I had one client.
[Page//00:30:31] I was like, holy cow, you are a clean beam. Like I have. And her answer was, well, I should be, I've been working on it for 20 years, you know, so, and again, she hadn't done anything drastic or dramatic either, but I love the, that whole back to basics. You said earlier, you know, yes, we have all these excuses with how we live to.
[Page//00:30:55] Be pulled away from these basics, but then we also have all these tools that [Page//00:31:00] make it easy. Once we start creating those routines.
[Page//00:31:05] Dave Sherwin: That's right. And so my, my invitation to people is to just let go of everything. You've struggled with everything that's difficult. And to learn to master the mundane, get back to the simplicity of health you're made up of water. So drink lots of water. You need all the elements from carbs fats and proteins.
[Page//00:31:22] So to get them what you can't get from those take through supplements, and you're going to need to supplement some of those things as you're just not going to get them. No matter how hard you try and. Tons of bio-hacks to, to prove that getting enough sleep, that's where it all comes together. If you've exercised and ate well and stopped eating after dinner, and then you get seven to nine hours of sleep for your body to get rid of all those toxins and your gut microbiome to heal and your brain to detox and all these wonderful things happen.
[Page//00:31:49] And so it may sound. Too simple, but I promise you do it for six months. And it was like I said earlier, I, I bet anyone who does this for [Page//00:32:00] six months will never go back and they'll never be fooled by another silver bullet diet.
[Page//00:32:05] Julie Michelson: It is so true. And, and you know, there's a saying in my world, if it seems too good to be true, it is because people are looking for that fix. Right. That one thing, it's not one thing. It does take some work. I want to also touch on you, dimensioned, how with each of these things, it's creating the routines to be successful at every, whether it's business health.
[Page//00:32:31] It's all about to quote you the Monday. But really making it routine. And I would say that it's not going to take six months for somebody to never go back because as soon as people realize how well they can feel, that becomes all the reinforcement they need. I see it over and over.
[Page//00:32:50] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. Yeah. I, I think of it like a health, like a flywheel picture, a very huge flywheel, you know, maybe one made of stone, this [Page//00:33:00] massive wheel on an axle. And your job is to pull this thing in to get it to spin. When you, when you start pulling, it'll barely. And you might get really discouraged, but if you keep pushing and pushing and pushing, finally, this big, huge thing will start slowly moving on the axle and you keep pushing the same amount of pressure over and over and over the wheel goes faster and faster and faster and faster.
[Page//00:33:21] And finally, if you got a big stone flywheel going fast enough, if you grab it, it'll suck you under.
[Page//00:33:26] Julie Michelson: Yup.
[Page//00:33:27] Dave Sherwin: But the problem is that too many people barely get their flywheel going, oh, this thing's barely moving. I'm letting go and moving on to the next flywheel. And they go from flywheel to flywheel to fly well, to fly well and never get anything to spin.
[Page//00:33:42] Julie Michelson: I love that visual. I'm a very visual learner that that was really, really well put. And, and also directly goes to, I always say, you know, nobody had got unhealthy in a day or a week or a month. And for me, I've been [Page//00:34:00] well for several years and I feel better every six months than I did six months ago.
[Page//00:34:05] It's I think sitting here right now, like, no, I couldn't possibly feel better. And yet when I look over my shoulder, I'm like, wow, I either have a little more energy or I'm stronger, you know? And, and, or, or and so, you know, like you I'm in my fifties and it's exciting to feel younger. As I go through life and continue to learn and biohack and test and improve.
[Page//00:34:31] Dave Sherwin: Agreed me, me and you are on the same way, flank. I mean, I, yeah, everything you just said, that's me. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying being a grandfather. I'm healthy with my grandkids. I can go play and do anything that they want to go do. And that's what it's really all about. It's we just want, you know, we want the health to have a really great and meaningful life with our loved ones with our grandkids.
[Page//00:34:54] I want to have great grants.
[Page//00:34:56] Julie Michelson: I love it. That would be amazing. It will. You [Page//00:35:00] will.
[Page//00:35:00] Dave Sherwin: I'd love to take a great grandson or great-granddaughter golfing. I think
[Page//00:35:05] Julie Michelson: a fan and walk the course. That's fantastic. I love it. This is going to be really hard for you. I have a feeling, Dave, but I got to do it because this is the last question I ask every time,
[Page//00:35:19] Dave Sherwin: Okay.
[Page//00:35:20] Julie Michelson: what is one step? And that's the hard part that listeners can take today to start to improve their.
[Page//00:35:28] Dave Sherwin: Okay. Start a meditation program
[Page//00:35:31] Julie Michelson: I love it.
[Page//00:35:32] Dave Sherwin: because that's foundational to the health. You see, what's, what's stopping a lot of people. It actually isn't that they don't know what to do. It's that they're living a little out of control. People just don't feel like they have control over their lives and the media and the environment and the people around us and politics and all this stuff is just negative energy dragging us down all the time in the back of our mind you know, working on us in a [Page//00:36:00] negative way.
[Page//00:36:00] And these things do play out. They lead to binge eating. They lead to a lack of control. They lead to sitting in the restaurant choosing between that. Cobb salad or the burger and fries and making the wrong choice. Right. And for me, I started a daily habit of meditation six years ago and it underlines and undergirds every other good thing going on in my life.
[Page//00:36:25] So I feel like without that that I wouldn't be able to do other things as well as, as I'm I'm doing. And I do think too many people live with too much stress. Cortisol is running too high. Their adrenals are out of control. Mentally their mind is racing. We have in Buddhism, they call it the monkey mind.
[Page//00:36:43] Julie Michelson: Yup.
[Page//00:36:44] Dave Sherwin: And so I think until you get control of that, it's going to be hard to control anything else. And again, I should, I don't, I shouldn't use the word control. I don't have perfect control by any means. I have all the same problems I just described. I'm not saying I'm above or better [Page//00:37:00] than anybody. All I'm saying is that through a daily habit of meditation, it has helped me level up, like in a video game, you hit a new level, right?
[Page//00:37:09] I'd say
[Page//00:37:09] Julie Michelson: every aspect of life I say, you know, then you're a better partner, a better business person, a better friend, a better grandfather. You name it. You are just a better human being when you are executing a meditation practice.
[Page//00:37:25] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. Everything else becomes easier. And so that's actually doesn't sound like a health tip, but I feel like it is.
[Page//00:37:31] Julie Michelson: Oh, I, you, I swear. I didn't plant this, my listeners now, how I feel about how important it is. But I love that you went there, you surprised even me. So they go, everybody start that meditation routine and it can start small. Just build the habit.
[Page//00:37:48] Dave Sherwin: I'm so glad you said. It doesn't have to be complex, start with a simple breathing practice, but just start with something I would say, work on it, make it, make it important, start simple, but [Page//00:38:00] make it a bit of a practice. Read a book, you know, listen to some podcasts, listen to something about Zen or whatever your background is that that, that works for you religiously, spiritually, whatever.
[Page//00:38:12] And it doesn't even have to be religious or spiritual. It can just be breathing. It can be mindfulness, simple, mindfulness, whatever. Yeah, start simple, but be serious and be a student and see where it takes you.
[Page//00:38:25] Julie Michelson: I love that start simple, but be serious. And, and we are all students and you and I embrace that every day. So that's. Golden advice right there. Everybody we're going to have all the links in the show notes, but for those that listen, like I do, maybe they're driving or hiking or somewhere and listening, what is the best place for somebody to go find.
[Page//00:38:51] Dave Sherwin: Dai roby.com D I R O B i.com. And we have a lot of great free resources [Page//00:39:00] there on the resources page. I encourage you to look through those. We also have a phenomenal line of supplements based off of the biohacking evidence of the last few years, the right ingredients at the right amounts for people over the age of 18, we have nothing for kids.
[Page//00:39:12] These are generally actually meant for people between the ages of 30 and 70 to help with the current issues that most people complain about losing weight, brain fog, lack of sleep. These are some of the people's lack of energy.
[Page//00:39:25] Julie Michelson: I mentioned toxins. I know you have a great glutathione product, so,
[Page//00:39:29] Dave Sherwin: We do we do. And so we have formulations based on the latest clinical research, the right amounts and the right forms to help with, with some of these things. So check those out and and Julie, you have your own link. So you can put that in the show notes and that'll get people 10% off.
[Page//00:39:48] Julie Michelson: Which is quite the gift and you are quite the gift. We could do 10 episodes. I just always love talking with you. And I love that. Everything you say is [Page//00:40:00] so relatable. I tell people all the time, you know, I specialize in auto-immunity, but it's, it's, it's inflammation, it's inflam-aging and everything translates on the spectrum to everyone.
[Page//00:40:13] And so I love having you on and just really showing that we all just need to be doing the same thing, no matter what particular challenges we may or may not be facing. So I really appreciate it.
[Page//00:40:27] Dave Sherwin: thank you so much. It's been fun to be here. And we shot for 30 minutes and we, we, we did go over, but
[Page//00:40:32] Julie Michelson: know we blew it.
[Page//00:40:34] Dave Sherwin: but we could have got an hour and a half, so
[Page//00:40:36] Julie Michelson: That's right. So we may, we may bring you a part two on another day, everybody, but we're going to give you the rest of your day back. So.
[Page//00:40:45] Dave Sherwin: Julie. It's been great.
[Page//00:40:46] Julie Michelson: Thank you for everyone listening. Remember you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting inspiredliving.show. I hope you had a great time and enjoyed this episode as much as I did.
[Page//00:40:59] I'll see you next week.
[Page//00:00:57] Join us to learn how to Uplevel your health [Page//00:01:00] by mastering the mundane.
[Page//00:01:02] Dave welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you here today.
[Page//00:01:06] Dave Sherwin: I am excited to be here. I've been looking forward to this.
[Page//00:01:09] Julie Michelson: I have as well, I knew we were kind enough to have me on your podcast and I'm looking forward to continuing our conversation.
[Page//00:01:19] Dave Sherwin: Me too. It was a great discussion. And there's, there's always more to talk about. The world of health is so incredibly vast that it's great to do a round two and go in different directions.
[Page//00:01:31] Julie Michelson: I couldn't be more on the same page. I love to start out by inviting you to share with listeners your journey. Most of us don't end up in this world because we dreamt about it when we were little. So what's your story? How did you get here?
[Page//00:01:50] Dave Sherwin: Yeah, I'll try to keep it brief. I, it really started a very long time ago. I, when I was a kid, I was the shy, awkward kid who didn't make friends who wanted, who cried on the first day of [Page//00:02:00] school because I wanted to go home with my mommy. Okay. I was that kid. Right. And I was socially backwards. And. Terrified when people paid attention to me, that type of thing.
[Page//00:02:10] But in about seventh grade some kids are trying to dunk a small ball, maybe a soft ball sized ball on the low hoop of the elementary school. Maybe it's seven feet high. I was taller than them. And I was like, Can I try, you know, and I went up and I was able to dunk the small ball on the hoop and it was my first memory and this feeling of accomplishment of doing a cool thing with my body, you know, it's sort of the first memory I have of doing anything really athletic that felt really fulfilling.
[Page//00:02:36] Okay. And that led to me getting interested in sports and basketball and. It was sh it was really formative for me. I eventually went to plan a team. I had to be comfortable with other people. I had to be able to plan in front of a crowd. I was introduced to weightlifting and to nutrition and to practicing hard and all the things that come with high school sports.
[Page//00:02:58] And it really [Page//00:03:00] changed my life. It gave me more confidence in. A path for me to become eventually an entrepreneur. And I started my first business in 1993 and I've been self-employed ever since. And, and, and that is a hard road and it's been up and down. There's there's times of plenty and there's times of famine and I've been through all of it.
[Page//00:03:17] And I could tell you all kinds of heroic and terrible stories.
[Page//00:03:24] Julie Michelson: Sure that combo goes. That's what being an entrepreneur is.
[Page//00:03:28] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. And, and I finally eventually sold a business and. And that was really fun. I I've made more money on it than I thought I would. And I was introduced to the concept of buying and selling businesses. And so my entrepreneurial itch went from building businesses to buying and selling, but I had a colossal failure in about 2000.
[Page//00:03:48] It was we were, we had a business that was run off of five servers. It was an e-commerce business and it was hacked and we could not fix it. And every time we fired up those servers, again, the [Page//00:04:00] spammer who had hacked us started sending out massive amounts of, of spam emails off of those servers. And the data farm kept shutting us down.
[Page//00:04:07] Horrific story, lost a business, completely went from making a living to. Bankruptcy, like nothing, no income suddenly out of the blue in June of 2009. And that was just devastating and it was a fun business. I loved it and there's no way I could recreate it. Because I needed the data off those servers.
[Page//00:04:26] We had thousands of customers in that business and it was all gone well. I was literally calling friends and family. I was like, I'm out of business. I'm looking for something. And my friend, Dan, so Dave, you're an entrepreneur. You're never going to be a good employee. But what I don't understand is why have you never done a health business?
[Page//00:04:48] You are always talking about fitness and racist, you do, and supplements and diets, and you read books about your true interest is health and wellness, and I've [Page//00:05:00] never understood why you didn't do a health and wellness business. And the light bulbs went off. I thought this is, and I said, well, Dan, what would I do?
[Page//00:05:08] And he said, well, everyone wants to lose weight. Why don't you find a great weight, loss, diet, and supplement that helps the diet and do a simple, here's a plan. Here's a supplement put up a website. I went to work. I put up this website, found a product, did some research, found a niche, a niche where certain people were very interested in rapid weight loss with a low calorie diet.
[Page//00:05:30] I don't advise that anymore, but at the time it was all the rage. And so I just went with what people were wanting. Really. I just went where the, you know, where, where the fish were feeding. Okay. And six months later we were doing a hundred thousand dollars a month of sales in a weight loss program.
[Page//00:05:47] Something I'd never thought. Or entertained before. And so I combined my interest in health and fitness with my entrepreneurial skills and everything I'd learned about e-commerce and boom. All of a sudden I was in the [Page//00:06:00] health and wellness business and it has, it has morphed and grown from there. I've learned a lot.
[Page//00:06:05] I've learned a lot about weight loss. I've learned about the various challenges that people go through. And, and That's how I got, I got here really was through business. And at first it was, wow, this is a great business, but then it very quickly became about people very, very quickly. I realized, oh, there are some real world challenges here.
[Page//00:06:23] There are people who really struggle and people wonder, well, can I do this diet? Because I've had my gallbladder removed. I have a hyper active thyroid. I have this, I have that. And suddenly I was, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm in over my head. And so over time I got certification and I had to really figure out what to say.
[Page//00:06:40] I had to hire very professional customer support reps with, with experience, had to learn the ins and outs of the FTC and the FDA and all the things you can. And can't say, so I went through this massive reorientation from being an entrepreneur, really, to being a health guy and blended the two together.
[Page//00:06:58] Julie Michelson: Which is beautiful. And I [Page//00:07:00] love that. I mean, that's what they always say, right. Do do. That's what I taught my kids, follow what you love and the business will come from that. And so I love that you, you just reverse engineered it. You got the entrepreneurial thing down. And then you were like, oh wait, I can, I can actually spend my days, you know, using the things I'm researching for my own health and wellness, which is fantastic.
[Page//00:07:29] One of the things I wanted to talk about today I'm going to quote you directly. You said you know, when you're experienced people complicate and stress Ify, And I'm always talking about how, you know, stress management. I used to always say diet is, you know, we always start with diet. I say, you know, there's all these pillars, but we start with diet.
[Page//00:07:53] And then I learned as a coach that I was adding stress by doing that by jumping right [Page//00:08:00] in with people, you know, change this, change that, and not managing stress first. And so just. Discussing this with you makes me think of my favorite thing. And I apologize to all of the other professors who taught me wonderful things in college.
[Page//00:08:16] But my favorite thing I learned was in an industrial psychology class and it was the kiss method. Keep it simple, stupid and not, you know, you can add a nicer S. That was the eighties and we were politically incorrect back then. Nobody was offended by it. It was fine. But that's what I really want to talk about today.
[Page//00:08:37] I know you have these seven simple. Principles. So it's all about keeping it simple, to really help people elevate their health and wellness. And we chatted a little bit off air because I said, oh my gosh, Dave, how are we going to cover all of this? And we decided we're probably not. So if you would start us off with what are those [Page//00:09:00] seven things, and then we'll dig into as many as we can.
[Page//00:09:03] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. And before I forget, Julie, when you give out the, the, our, our link to the website and stuff, I have a free PDF called the dire OB Undiet. It's on the resources pages, page of our website. And so people can download that so that you can get the whole story easily. There. It's a simple 10 page read, and it's very graphical.
[Page//00:09:20] Your kids could read it in about five minutes, so it shouldn't be too hard. It's an easy read,
[Page//00:09:25] Julie Michelson: I love to see simple. I love it.
[Page//00:09:27] Dave Sherwin: simple, all about
[Page//00:09:28] Julie Michelson: all, we all like pictures.
[Page//00:09:31] Dave Sherwin: You know what, Julie, we're flawed. As human beings, we are flawed. We're all very flood, but we tend to not see our own blind spots. And so when people say to us, we need to manage our stress.
[Page//00:09:42] We ought to have a meditation program. We ought to do this. We ought to do that. Well, I've heard all those things and I never started a lot of those things until I was ready. As a matter of fact, I don't do anything till I'm ready. I don't know about
[Page//00:09:54] Julie Michelson: none of us
[Page//00:09:54] Dave Sherwin: or your listeners. There has to be a point in our life where we've reached the mature either the [Page//00:10:00] maturity level, or maybe we're just sick and tired of being sick and tired.
[Page//00:10:03] Who knows? Maybe we just, we just can't do everything at one time. Right? So there comes a time. We're ready, but. But this issue of distress suffering, the fact is many, many people enter their diet or their new eating program or whatever it is with the same old mindset that has failed them previously. And they think the new plan is the pro is the solution.
[Page//00:10:26] And the, and the new plan is probably no better than the last 10 plans. If the plan, isn't the problem. It's the person taking the same problems from plan to plan to plan. That's a problem. We never want to look at things that way, right? It's hard for us to take total responsibility in our lives, but at the same time, Julie, a lot of those plans are ridiculous.
[Page//00:10:47] They're not sustainable and no one wants to be without a treat ever again in their life. Right. Very few. Anyway, many of these [Page//00:11:00] diets are just not sustainable. So what I want to do is read you these seven principles. These are from my 13 years in the health and wellness industry, we've had well over a million customers.
[Page//00:11:08] Julie, we, I could show, I could write a book just on the support tickets that we have done and the various challenges, the real challenges people face in improving their health and from my own personal certification, from all that experience, I'm going to read you these seven things. Number one, people don't drink enough water. And they drink too much of other stuff. Now this is simple, but before I read the rest of the list, one more principle. I want to say for the vast majority of us, we have to take our mind and our eye off of the silver bullet syndrome that we tend to have. And we have to learn to master the mundane. If you're to watch a healthy person's habits for a week, if you could just kind of shadow them for a week, what you
[Page//00:11:55] Julie Michelson: that exciting.
[Page//00:11:56] Dave Sherwin: looks boring.
[Page//00:11:58] Julie Michelson: Yeah.
[Page//00:11:58] Dave Sherwin: Good health looks [Page//00:12:00] boring. Success in business looks boring. There's ups and downs, successes and failures, but there's just a daily general routine that successful people do that leads to success. There's a simple daily routine that healthy people do. And it's not that interesting and often not that different from what unhealthy people.
[Page//00:12:20] But one of them is they drink more water and less of other stuff. You got to drink at least half your body weight in ounces of water per day. Number two is you got to eat all your food slowly and mindfully. Again, it's not very hard. It doesn't cost any money, but it's incredibly important. We can come back to why that is.
[Page//00:12:34] If you like number three is intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting is not a. It's not new. It was the way our ancestors evolved and lived for hundreds of thousands of years with a circadian rhythm based on the rising of the sun and the setting of the sun and eating during that time. And it took a little time.
[Page//00:12:55] They couldn't just walk to the fridge and get food. Right. So our body has the genetic. [Page//00:13:00] To thrive on eating a little later in the morning and stopping eating after sunset. And we're set up for that. And the science is there to back up that modern humans also thrive when they eat that way. Number four is we all need to eat healthy.
[Page//00:13:15] Proteins fats and carbs. Those are the three building blocks of health and some diets kind of ignore those. You can't ignore those. You need carbs for hormones and for energy and the other things that they do, you need, you need protein. It's the building block of your body. You need fat for your soft tissue and a lot of other reasons.
[Page//00:13:32] And if you can get all three with each meal, you will be much healthier than the average person. Number five is observe a simple supplement stress. The bio-hacking of the last 10 to 15 years has been so educational for all of us, millions of people who have had blood work done millions of, and guess what?
[Page//00:13:52] The biohacking industry attracts healthy people. So already above average, really healthy people have had tons of [Page//00:14:00] blood work done and found out that there are certain things are deficient in no matter what. A quick example, 76% of Americans are deficient in vitamin D. They're eating plenty of vitamin D, but it's not absorbing.
[Page//00:14:13] They're not getting it from the right sources. Okay. And so they're just not in the food, but for whatever reason, and this is something you can easily test for yourself. There's a certain and should on a regular eye test every six months, Julie, I don't know about you, but.
[Page//00:14:27] Julie Michelson: Oh, at least.
[Page//00:14:30] Dave Sherwin: Wonderful. And for those of you listening, there's a great lesson right there.
[Page//00:14:33] But what you're going to find is that there are certain things you should supplement on and I'm happy to talk about those number six, we need to, we need to move our body daily. I love the term PMP personal movement plan. And for those of you listening, just ask yourself, do you have a personal movement plan?
[Page//00:14:50] And maybe there's a couple test questions I can do. What was your exercise this week? What was it yesterday? What's it going to be tomorrow? And what realm of health we'll [Page//00:15:00] focus on strength or cardio or mobility will be a hit workout or a long slow, steady workout. It doesn't matter, as long as it's part of your plan that works for you, but most people don't have that plan and worse.
[Page//00:15:13] They don't move their body daily. And so they're too sedentary and they are causing mobility problems in the future. Their future lives are, are leading to hunch back you know, shortened hit, hit, hit Tendons and just lack of mobility and, you know, I don't know about you, but I, I want to, whatever my life ends, I want it to be it.
[Page//00:15:35] I want to be as healthy as possible.
[Page//00:15:38] Julie Michelson: I want to live young until I'm done.
[Page//00:15:41] Dave Sherwin: That's. I love that. Okay. That's you nailed it. I love that statement. I'm going to steal that.
[Page//00:15:46] Julie Michelson: I'm writing it. I was like, wow, where'd that come from?
[Page//00:15:49] Dave Sherwin: Oh, you just made that up. I was brilliant. A flash of genius. I will credit you when I say. And the last one Julia has get seven to nine hours of sleep every night [Page//00:16:00] and try to make that at a consistent time, as much as possible. Our modern lifestyle is making it difficult to do all seven of these things.
[Page//00:16:09] At the same time, our modern lifestyle gives us all the tools. We need to do them at a very high level. It's kind of a catch 22. They're easy to do, and they're easy not to do, but Julie, I absolutely believe. But if your listeners would do these seven things and forget Quito and forget all of the diets they've ever heard of before and forget everything difficult and actually just settled, settle back and go, okay.
[Page//00:16:35] Today I'm going to drink enough water. I'm going to eat healthy carbs fats and protein. I think I'll I'll stop watching Netflix a little earlier and I'll go to bed at 10 or 10 30 and so on and just live that way. I'm telling you, you'd be amazed how healthy you're going to be in six months.
[Page//00:16:54] Julie Michelson: I hear here I can we just play that on a loop [Page//00:17:00] it's and they, I may do all support each other. You know, when you're talking about eating on the circadian rhythm and sleeping and moving and all of these things if we simplify it and, and I love, oh my gosh, there's I want to talk about all seven. Love, I want to underscore what you said about the food and I, and I, I am always, I say there's no one, right diet.
[Page//00:17:29] But the, but the, or eating plan. But the one thing is real food. Right? And you mentioned. Quality proteins and fats and carbs and carbs. I'm going to underscore carbs are not evil. We all know we need carbs. We all need carbs, but we need healthy carbs. And I, I joke, I tell people, people say, you know, well, you know what about plant-based?
[Page//00:17:54] And I said, well, I eat plant-based. It just also has animal protein, but my [Page//00:18:00] plate is always covered. And vegetables. It just also has really good high quality, healthy protein with it.
[Page//00:18:07] Dave Sherwin: Julie, many people mistake the word plant-based for vegan or vegetarian plant-based is not. I mean, if you're going to be
[Page//00:18:13] Julie Michelson: Not as I define
[Page//00:18:14] Dave Sherwin: then be vegan, vegan or vegetarian, plant-based literally means what it says. It means that the basis of your diet comes from fruits and vegetables. Now I forgot a major point, but you'll those of you who read the book would catch this.
[Page//00:18:29] When we talk about eating healthy carbs fats and protein, we want five to nine servings of fruits and veggies mixed into that. Now veggies and fruit Nate should make up most of your carbs that those are carbs. Carbs. Don't come from a bag. I mean, they, they, they do, but, but the carbs that I'm talking about don't don't have nutritional facts.
[Page//00:18:48] They don't have boxes and they do require refrigeration.
[Page//00:18:54] Julie Michelson: I love that. Well, and that's, you know, people will say to me, well, can I do this [Page//00:19:00] eating plan? You know, then what's the difference between this or keto or. Then you're tweaking. Right. Then it's just, where is your level of fat versus your level of carbs and not everybody has to do PIDO and not everybody should do KIDO.
[Page//00:19:13] But, but if you're starting with those three key ingredients on your plate, I love that you said every meal, people are shocked when I say, yeah, you should have vegetables with breakfast. They're like, oh, wow.
[Page//00:19:28] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. And, and you know what, though, once you get it, do you know how I got vegetables with breakfast this morning? I slathered my eggs with guacamole.
[Page//00:19:36] Julie Michelson: Yeah,
[Page//00:19:37] Dave Sherwin: It's delicious
[Page//00:19:39] Julie Michelson: it is. It
[Page//00:19:40] Dave Sherwin: it's just adding a fat, some fat and carbs, healthy carbs, and a vegetable into an otherwise usually vegetable list meal.
[Page//00:19:52] Julie Michelson: Yeah. And I, I love.
[Page//00:19:54] Dave Sherwin: same way.
[Page//00:19:55] Julie Michelson: Yep. I love always having like a big pan of roast [Page//00:20:00] veggies in the fridge where you can just, I can add them to any meal without thought. I want it back all the way up. I just had a conversation with the doctor I worked with last week about water. So I do want to go all the way back to.
[Page//00:20:15] Dave Sherwin: I'll have a drink of water while we.
[Page//00:20:17] Julie Michelson: I will toast you with mine. It is something that our conversation was, was a reminder for us. When somebody has, oh my gosh. I mean, there's just a list of symptoms or things. I don't remember if it came up with dry skin or what it, what it was in this particular case, but a reminder for the coaches, the practitioners to back up and see, remember to ask, are you drinking enough water?
[Page//00:20:48] Right. Because
[Page//00:20:49] Dave Sherwin: It's question
[Page//00:20:50] Julie Michelson: basic that I forget to ask. I know.
[Page//00:20:53] Dave Sherwin: the number one question that almost no doctor asks him. Well, no, almost no doctor has ever asked me how much water do you [Page//00:21:00] drink and what do you eat?
[Page//00:21:02] Julie Michelson: Yeah,
[Page//00:21:02] Dave Sherwin: It's absolutely bizarre. It makes absolutely no sense. A person comes in. I feel like crap. Oh, well, give me a, you know, keep, keep track of what you eat for the next three days and come back and see me.
[Page//00:21:14] That's all they have to do to start with. And you find me a doctor that does that. It's absolutely psychotic. I'll give you, I can give you an example. Let's put this in real life. So this guy comes into a doctor who says I've been to multiple doctors. I have high blood pressure, nothing touches it. I'm on five minutes. wow. This doctor had common sense. She said, keep track of what you eat and drink for the next few days and come back and see me. He comes back. He's a construction worker. He was drinking 15 Gatorades a day on the construction site
[Page//00:21:45] Julie Michelson: Wow.
[Page//00:21:46] Dave Sherwin: is sodium level was jacked. She took him off the Gatorade and then later took him off all the drugs.
[Page//00:21:53] Julie Michelson: Yeah.
[Page//00:21:54] Dave Sherwin: But five doctors before her didn't ask what the freaking guy was [Page//00:22:00] putting in his body and just gave him a drug.
[Page//00:22:02] Julie Michelson: Yeah,
[Page//00:22:02] Dave Sherwin: Absolutely bizarre.
[Page//00:22:04] Julie Michelson: I believe in they're good practitioners in every area of medicine, but the, the functional medicine approach is effective.
[Page//00:22:16] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. Welcome dogs.
[Page//00:22:20] Julie Michelson: I warned you.
[Page//00:22:22] Dave Sherwin: I love it.
[Page//00:22:22] Julie Michelson: It's so effective because most Western trained dogs don't ever ask what you're eating. I've worked with diabetics that were never told. How about don't have oatmeal for breakfast?
[Page//00:22:35] If you're a type one diabetic,
[Page//00:22:37] Dave Sherwin: Yeah.
[Page//00:22:38] Julie Michelson: had ever explained, you know, the carbs drive, blood sugar.
[Page//00:22:44] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. Yeah, but I don't want to get too off the track. And like you said, I don't, I also don't offend anybody, but again, this is about you listener. Those of you listening, this is you make sure you understand these principles. We're not going to change the entire medical community. Although I think it is going in a positive direction at the [Page//00:23:00] moment, but it really, we, the only person we can control in this life is ourselves.
[Page//00:23:05] And so this is all about doing what's best and figuring out the best lifestyle for us in our family.
[Page//00:23:11] Julie Michelson: And it is the, it's the simple things that are so empowering.
[Page//00:23:15] Dave Sherwin: Yeah.
[Page//00:23:16] Julie Michelson: the quote unquote, just drinking water. I know I actually have one in my family. There are actually people who don't like. Like, they just don't like how it tastes. And so then we need to do, you know, simple things to, to, to get it. I can't imagine I love water.
[Page//00:23:33] I, it's not something I ever have to think about personally, you know, am I getting enough water? But it is, we are made of.
[Page//00:23:41] Dave Sherwin: And I have a few, you know, this is one of our products. Mimi's miracle minerals. And I don't know is your podcast video, or you just produce the audio.
[Page//00:23:49] Julie Michelson: W we'll have video as well. But audio are
[Page//00:23:51] Dave Sherwin: Okay. So for those of you that can't see what I just showed us. Basically, it's a trace mineral product. Now, if you add trace it for those of you who drink water and it hurts, [Page//00:24:00] and Julie you'd be amazed. How many people fall into this category? They actually drink water and it feels like a rock sitting in their stomach.
[Page//00:24:07] That's how they'll often describe it. Now. Chances are their water is too hard. And if this is a little known trick, but if you add trace minerals to your water, It breaks down the surface tension of the water and it doesn't give that effect. Plus it's more hydrating. The water gets carried to the cells and absorbed better.
[Page//00:24:24] So that's a great trick. Adding flavorings to your water, herbal teas, lemon, raw raspberries,
[Page//00:24:32] Julie Michelson: Cucumber.
[Page//00:24:34] Dave Sherwin: all that stuff takes just a little bit of effort, but once you're in the habit of it, and you got these things on your grocery list in your aunts, your water, all of a sudden water. Crisp and satiating and satisfying.
[Page//00:24:45] And and it's, well-worth overcoming these other chemicals that you're drinking and becoming a fan of water.
[Page//00:24:53] Julie Michelson: I love that. I, I just, again, it's the it's as simple as it [Page//00:25:00] gets really. Let's talk a little bit about, this is the second time today. This has come up for me. And I am such a believer. Let's talk a little bit about this. Why does it matter if we eat slow? If we're mindful, some people say, if we're grateful, what, what ha what does it matter?
[Page//00:25:18] How we eat? If we're eating good.
[Page//00:25:21] Dave Sherwin: It matters in, in a variety of ways. So if we're with other people, it matters socially that we're actually enjoying the company and we're, we've got our phone upside down and we're paying attention to the people that we're with physiologically. It matters even more because our stomach is not a hole at the bottom of our throat.
[Page//00:25:37] It's just full of stomach acid that just absorbs the food. Our stomach has, has a series of folds. Now, first of all, slow reading starts with slow, not necessarily slow chewing, but lots of chewing. We should choose to the consistency of applesauce. That's working in the enzymes, especially those enzymes, that break down starch and carbs.
[Page//00:25:56] Then when we swallow that food, it goes, starts going through the folds of the [Page//00:26:00] stomach. Now the hormones in our stomach that determined that we're full or are not perfect. They're about 20 minutes behind. So what happens is when we eat very quickly, the food is hitting the beginning, folds of those stomachs of our stomach, not choosing.
[Page//00:26:14] So the enzymes that need to be there, aren't there. And then the stomach is working slowly to work it through all those folds and work all the new enzymes and then the stomach acid into the food. And the problem is we put too much food on the, at the top. At the beginning of that process, when we eat quickly, then later we're notified that we're full, the hormone triggers the brain, but we're, it's too late now.
[Page//00:26:37] We're uncomfortable studies show that people who eat solely and mindfully eat 20% less food and other studies show that the average person who gains weight and is obese by the time they're 40, does it by eating about 20%, too much food. This literally could solve the problem because many people, Julie [Page//00:27:00] they're at their ideal body weight when they're 20 and they're obese when they're.
[Page//00:27:04] And they do it at about a rate of 22 pounds a year, which is over 20 years, about 40 pounds. And now you're obese 40 pounds heavier than you should be. And so it wasn't a lot back to this master, the mundane and the boring aspect of health. You're just trying to keep off to get your ideal body weight. And then don't add two pounds a year, right.
[Page//00:27:25] And eating slowly and mindfully could be step one to reversing the process for most.
[Page//00:27:31] Julie Michelson: I love, you know, you mentioned before the idea of intermittent fasting, isn't new as you started talking about chewing and getting to the consistency of applesauce, my grandfather, and he was a character. Used to always say, you know, two until you barely have to swallow. Like that was any that man could chew.
[Page//00:27:55] I mean, his enzymes were working.
[Page//00:27:59] Dave Sherwin: yeah.[Page//00:28:00]
[Page//00:28:00] Julie Michelson: but if we think about to so many of the people I work with. You know, have digestive issues, whether they're aware or not, and, and S you know, supplement with enzymes, and here's a way for free to get that going and start that digestion working properly to begin with.
[Page//00:28:19] Dave Sherwin: Can I tell you something really quick? Well, Julie.
[Page//00:28:20] Julie Michelson: Please,
[Page//00:28:22] Dave Sherwin: My last biohack test personally was my first GI tract test. I've never done one before. I usually do blood work. I did my first GI test. So I nurse calls me up to do a zoom call to go over the results. And she's acting kind of funny like, oh, wow. This is really an interesting test.
[Page//00:28:40] Tell me a little about yourself. And so I told her I'd get them to get blood. My bit of my background. I said, why are you asking? She says, I've done 2000 of these, and this is the best one I've seen.
[Page//00:28:51] Julie Michelson: Yeah.
[Page//00:28:51] Dave Sherwin: And I was like, yes, yes. And she wanted to know what I was doing. Well, I just gave you all the answer. You see. [Page//00:29:00] We talk about the GI tract test for those of you listening, basically saying how well you're doing in your, your microbiome, biome and your gut health, right? Gut health is a big deal. We all know it. Well, guess what? I think that eating vegetables every day, stopping eating at dinner time and giving my stuff.
[Page//00:29:18] A lot of time to process everything is all I really need to do. And so I don't do much. I don't do anything special. I don't do anything really exciting. I don't follow a named. I just follow these principles. And I got to tell you, Juliet was the, it was so validating to have a scientific study. Tell me that these things flat out work and I'm having her on my podcast actually.
[Page//00:29:45] To go over this and then to encourage other people to do it the same thing. So anyways, just total validation. I hope it doesn't sound like I'm bragging. I'm I'm excited about it. I don't mean to come across as arrogant or something or better than anybody else. To me, it was just a tribute to
[Page//00:29:59] Julie Michelson: It [Page//00:30:00] works.
[Page//00:30:01] Dave Sherwin: The simple system might sound simple, but it's incredibly effective.
[Page//00:30:05] Julie Michelson: Super effective. And as somebody who looks at labs a lot and orders, labs a lot for my clients when you get that rare standout, I recently had that with a toxin panel, and again, I specialize in auto-immunity and so I know really ugly looking toxin panels are typically what come with. My laptop. And I had one client.
[Page//00:30:31] I was like, holy cow, you are a clean beam. Like I have. And her answer was, well, I should be, I've been working on it for 20 years, you know, so, and again, she hadn't done anything drastic or dramatic either, but I love the, that whole back to basics. You said earlier, you know, yes, we have all these excuses with how we live to.
[Page//00:30:55] Be pulled away from these basics, but then we also have all these tools that [Page//00:31:00] make it easy. Once we start creating those routines.
[Page//00:31:05] Dave Sherwin: That's right. And so my, my invitation to people is to just let go of everything. You've struggled with everything that's difficult. And to learn to master the mundane, get back to the simplicity of health you're made up of water. So drink lots of water. You need all the elements from carbs fats and proteins.
[Page//00:31:22] So to get them what you can't get from those take through supplements, and you're going to need to supplement some of those things as you're just not going to get them. No matter how hard you try and. Tons of bio-hacks to, to prove that getting enough sleep, that's where it all comes together. If you've exercised and ate well and stopped eating after dinner, and then you get seven to nine hours of sleep for your body to get rid of all those toxins and your gut microbiome to heal and your brain to detox and all these wonderful things happen.
[Page//00:31:49] And so it may sound. Too simple, but I promise you do it for six months. And it was like I said earlier, I, I bet anyone who does this for [Page//00:32:00] six months will never go back and they'll never be fooled by another silver bullet diet.
[Page//00:32:05] Julie Michelson: It is so true. And, and you know, there's a saying in my world, if it seems too good to be true, it is because people are looking for that fix. Right. That one thing, it's not one thing. It does take some work. I want to also touch on you, dimensioned, how with each of these things, it's creating the routines to be successful at every, whether it's business health.
[Page//00:32:31] It's all about to quote you the Monday. But really making it routine. And I would say that it's not going to take six months for somebody to never go back because as soon as people realize how well they can feel, that becomes all the reinforcement they need. I see it over and over.
[Page//00:32:50] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. Yeah. I, I think of it like a health, like a flywheel picture, a very huge flywheel, you know, maybe one made of stone, this [Page//00:33:00] massive wheel on an axle. And your job is to pull this thing in to get it to spin. When you, when you start pulling, it'll barely. And you might get really discouraged, but if you keep pushing and pushing and pushing, finally, this big, huge thing will start slowly moving on the axle and you keep pushing the same amount of pressure over and over and over the wheel goes faster and faster and faster and faster.
[Page//00:33:21] And finally, if you got a big stone flywheel going fast enough, if you grab it, it'll suck you under.
[Page//00:33:26] Julie Michelson: Yup.
[Page//00:33:27] Dave Sherwin: But the problem is that too many people barely get their flywheel going, oh, this thing's barely moving. I'm letting go and moving on to the next flywheel. And they go from flywheel to flywheel to fly well, to fly well and never get anything to spin.
[Page//00:33:42] Julie Michelson: I love that visual. I'm a very visual learner that that was really, really well put. And, and also directly goes to, I always say, you know, nobody had got unhealthy in a day or a week or a month. And for me, I've been [Page//00:34:00] well for several years and I feel better every six months than I did six months ago.
[Page//00:34:05] It's I think sitting here right now, like, no, I couldn't possibly feel better. And yet when I look over my shoulder, I'm like, wow, I either have a little more energy or I'm stronger, you know? And, and, or, or and so, you know, like you I'm in my fifties and it's exciting to feel younger. As I go through life and continue to learn and biohack and test and improve.
[Page//00:34:31] Dave Sherwin: Agreed me, me and you are on the same way, flank. I mean, I, yeah, everything you just said, that's me. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying being a grandfather. I'm healthy with my grandkids. I can go play and do anything that they want to go do. And that's what it's really all about. It's we just want, you know, we want the health to have a really great and meaningful life with our loved ones with our grandkids.
[Page//00:34:54] I want to have great grants.
[Page//00:34:56] Julie Michelson: I love it. That would be amazing. It will. You [Page//00:35:00] will.
[Page//00:35:00] Dave Sherwin: I'd love to take a great grandson or great-granddaughter golfing. I think
[Page//00:35:05] Julie Michelson: a fan and walk the course. That's fantastic. I love it. This is going to be really hard for you. I have a feeling, Dave, but I got to do it because this is the last question I ask every time,
[Page//00:35:19] Dave Sherwin: Okay.
[Page//00:35:20] Julie Michelson: what is one step? And that's the hard part that listeners can take today to start to improve their.
[Page//00:35:28] Dave Sherwin: Okay. Start a meditation program
[Page//00:35:31] Julie Michelson: I love it.
[Page//00:35:32] Dave Sherwin: because that's foundational to the health. You see, what's, what's stopping a lot of people. It actually isn't that they don't know what to do. It's that they're living a little out of control. People just don't feel like they have control over their lives and the media and the environment and the people around us and politics and all this stuff is just negative energy dragging us down all the time in the back of our mind you know, working on us in a [Page//00:36:00] negative way.
[Page//00:36:00] And these things do play out. They lead to binge eating. They lead to a lack of control. They lead to sitting in the restaurant choosing between that. Cobb salad or the burger and fries and making the wrong choice. Right. And for me, I started a daily habit of meditation six years ago and it underlines and undergirds every other good thing going on in my life.
[Page//00:36:25] So I feel like without that that I wouldn't be able to do other things as well as, as I'm I'm doing. And I do think too many people live with too much stress. Cortisol is running too high. Their adrenals are out of control. Mentally their mind is racing. We have in Buddhism, they call it the monkey mind.
[Page//00:36:43] Julie Michelson: Yup.
[Page//00:36:44] Dave Sherwin: And so I think until you get control of that, it's going to be hard to control anything else. And again, I should, I don't, I shouldn't use the word control. I don't have perfect control by any means. I have all the same problems I just described. I'm not saying I'm above or better [Page//00:37:00] than anybody. All I'm saying is that through a daily habit of meditation, it has helped me level up, like in a video game, you hit a new level, right?
[Page//00:37:09] I'd say
[Page//00:37:09] Julie Michelson: every aspect of life I say, you know, then you're a better partner, a better business person, a better friend, a better grandfather. You name it. You are just a better human being when you are executing a meditation practice.
[Page//00:37:25] Dave Sherwin: Yeah. Everything else becomes easier. And so that's actually doesn't sound like a health tip, but I feel like it is.
[Page//00:37:31] Julie Michelson: Oh, I, you, I swear. I didn't plant this, my listeners now, how I feel about how important it is. But I love that you went there, you surprised even me. So they go, everybody start that meditation routine and it can start small. Just build the habit.
[Page//00:37:48] Dave Sherwin: I'm so glad you said. It doesn't have to be complex, start with a simple breathing practice, but just start with something I would say, work on it, make it, make it important, start simple, but [Page//00:38:00] make it a bit of a practice. Read a book, you know, listen to some podcasts, listen to something about Zen or whatever your background is that that, that works for you religiously, spiritually, whatever.
[Page//00:38:12] And it doesn't even have to be religious or spiritual. It can just be breathing. It can be mindfulness, simple, mindfulness, whatever. Yeah, start simple, but be serious and be a student and see where it takes you.
[Page//00:38:25] Julie Michelson: I love that start simple, but be serious. And, and we are all students and you and I embrace that every day. So that's. Golden advice right there. Everybody we're going to have all the links in the show notes, but for those that listen, like I do, maybe they're driving or hiking or somewhere and listening, what is the best place for somebody to go find.
[Page//00:38:51] Dave Sherwin: Dai roby.com D I R O B i.com. And we have a lot of great free resources [Page//00:39:00] there on the resources page. I encourage you to look through those. We also have a phenomenal line of supplements based off of the biohacking evidence of the last few years, the right ingredients at the right amounts for people over the age of 18, we have nothing for kids.
[Page//00:39:12] These are generally actually meant for people between the ages of 30 and 70 to help with the current issues that most people complain about losing weight, brain fog, lack of sleep. These are some of the people's lack of energy.
[Page//00:39:25] Julie Michelson: I mentioned toxins. I know you have a great glutathione product, so,
[Page//00:39:29] Dave Sherwin: We do we do. And so we have formulations based on the latest clinical research, the right amounts and the right forms to help with, with some of these things. So check those out and and Julie, you have your own link. So you can put that in the show notes and that'll get people 10% off.
[Page//00:39:48] Julie Michelson: Which is quite the gift and you are quite the gift. We could do 10 episodes. I just always love talking with you. And I love that. Everything you say is [Page//00:40:00] so relatable. I tell people all the time, you know, I specialize in auto-immunity, but it's, it's, it's inflammation, it's inflam-aging and everything translates on the spectrum to everyone.
[Page//00:40:13] And so I love having you on and just really showing that we all just need to be doing the same thing, no matter what particular challenges we may or may not be facing. So I really appreciate it.
[Page//00:40:27] Dave Sherwin: thank you so much. It's been fun to be here. And we shot for 30 minutes and we, we, we did go over, but
[Page//00:40:32] Julie Michelson: know we blew it.
[Page//00:40:34] Dave Sherwin: but we could have got an hour and a half, so
[Page//00:40:36] Julie Michelson: That's right. So we may, we may bring you a part two on another day, everybody, but we're going to give you the rest of your day back. So.
[Page//00:40:45] Dave Sherwin: Julie. It's been great.
[Page//00:40:46] Julie Michelson: Thank you for everyone listening. Remember you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting inspiredliving.show. I hope you had a great time and enjoyed this episode as much as I did.
[Page//00:40:59] I'll see you next week.
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Dave Sherwin
Fitness Nutrition Coach
Dave Sherwin, PN1, is a certified fitness nutrition coach, entrepreneur, podcaster, and practitioner of mindfulness and meditation.
His passion is helping grownups navigate health challenges and achieve their best health and wellness, regardless of age.
He is the host of the Dirobi Health Show which covers everything to do with health and wellness, including the latest in nutrition, exercise science, supplementation, and disease prevention.
His passion is helping grownups navigate health challenges and achieve their best health and wellness, regardless of age.
He is the host of the Dirobi Health Show which covers everything to do with health and wellness, including the latest in nutrition, exercise science, supplementation, and disease prevention.
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