Episode 34
Damon Sununtnasuk BSc, MBA:
Monolaurin: Why you need to know about this powerful immune supplement
In this episode we talk about an incredible way to supplement your immunity with Monolaurin. And if you've never heard of it before, you're not alone! Which is why I invited my friend Damon, CEO of Natural Cure Labs, to talk to us about it.
First Aired on: May 9, 2022
Episode 34
Damon Sununtnasuk BSc, MBA:
Monolaurin: Why you need to know about this powerful immune supplement
In this episode we talk about an incredible way to supplement your immunity with Monolaurin. And if you've never heard of it before, you're not alone! Which is why I invited my friend Damon, CEO of Natural Cure Labs, to talk to us about it.
First Aired on: May 9, 2022
Table of Contents:
In this episode:
In today's episode, Damon takes us through all things Monolaurin; from breast milk to quality supplementation, we cover it all.
We all know that healthy immunity is initially boosted by breast milk, which consists of approximately 6.2% lauric acid.
Other sources of lauric acid are palm oil and coconut oil. Damon recommends Monolaurin sourced from coconut oil, as the use of palm oil has led to deforestation and endangers precious species such as the orangutans.
Since it would take a cup of coconut oil a day to get a commonly recommended dose of lauric acid found in capsules...supplementing may just be the way to go. Lauric acid is on the FDA's GRASS list, meaning it is generally recognized as safe. It has many uses from cleaning products to supplementation.
These tips are invaluable for choosing any supplement, not just Monolaurin.
Damon offers online resources, and encourages us to do our own research using PubMed, Google Scholar, and monolaurinandmore.com to investigate studies that align with our health interests.
Because Monolaurin is an antiviral, antifungal, and antibacterial, and effective at supporting us with things like Candida, EBV, Lyme, Herpes, it is important to take the LOW and SLOW approach to building up to an effective dose to avoid a Herxheimer reaction. Taking Damon's advice on this will keep you on track to get to a therapeutic dose without creating a "die off" reaction.
Damon's final recommendation to listeners is "empower yourself by doing your research."
We all know that healthy immunity is initially boosted by breast milk, which consists of approximately 6.2% lauric acid.
Other sources of lauric acid are palm oil and coconut oil. Damon recommends Monolaurin sourced from coconut oil, as the use of palm oil has led to deforestation and endangers precious species such as the orangutans.
Since it would take a cup of coconut oil a day to get a commonly recommended dose of lauric acid found in capsules...supplementing may just be the way to go. Lauric acid is on the FDA's GRASS list, meaning it is generally recognized as safe. It has many uses from cleaning products to supplementation.
Not all Monolaurin supplements are created equal!
Damon educates us on what to look for, from sourcing to excipients or lubricants, why capsules are the preferred form (think bitter, soapy, sticky substance) as well as what we might want to avoid in our supplements.These tips are invaluable for choosing any supplement, not just Monolaurin.
Damon offers online resources, and encourages us to do our own research using PubMed, Google Scholar, and monolaurinandmore.com to investigate studies that align with our health interests.
Because Monolaurin is an antiviral, antifungal, and antibacterial, and effective at supporting us with things like Candida, EBV, Lyme, Herpes, it is important to take the LOW and SLOW approach to building up to an effective dose to avoid a Herxheimer reaction. Taking Damon's advice on this will keep you on track to get to a therapeutic dose without creating a "die off" reaction.
Damon's final recommendation to listeners is "empower yourself by doing your research."
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Episode Transcript
Julie Michelson: Welcome back to the inspired living with auto-immunity podcast. I'm your host, Julie Michelson. And today we're joined by Damon Sununtnasuk, CEO of Natural Cure Labs. In our conversation, we'll educate you on just what you should be looking for to assure quality in your supplements and inspire you to do your own research.
[Page//00:00:56] We dive into supplementing with monolaurin and while [Page//00:01:00] we don't get into any medical claims in our conversation, I can tell you from preparing for the show that the reviews for their monolaurin products are astounding. Consumers experience resolution of everything from candida to Lyme symptoms and incredible immune support, including improved Hashimoto's symptoms and results that are better than expected all around.
[Page//00:01:24] Listen in to empower yourself.
[Page//00:01:27] Damon welcome to the podcast.
[Page//00:01:29] Damon Sununtnasuk: Julie, it's my pleasure to be here.
[Page//00:01:31] Julie Michelson: So you are a different kind of guest for us. I don't have many guests that are in the supplement world, and so I'm excited to have you on, because what you're doing is so important and I want our listeners to get educated about not only your products, but I want them to hear there are so many supplements out there and you are, so I say I'm a geek. You are so passionate about what you're [Page//00:02:00] doing and that you're doing it well. That I'm, I'm just thrilled to have you on.
[Page//00:02:05] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's really kind of you to say, thanks, Julie. Yeah, we're mission-driven company. And, you know, we do our best to pull to our values of, you know, quality, transparency, and trust. And we're going to try to exemplify that on today's.
[Page//00:02:20] Julie Michelson: Super. So I love starting with your story. I always say, you know, I guarantee when you were four year old boy, you weren't like, I want to bring amazing supplements to people. So how did you get into this world?
[Page//00:02:35] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah. Great question. So I founded the company in 2015 after living overseas for several years, I had the, the benefit of living in Europe for several years and east Asia for several years. And in each country I lived in, I was afforded access to nationalized healthcare. So I didn't really have to worry about my own personal health and wellness during those years.[Page//00:03:00]
[Page//00:03:00] But being originally from the United States, I eventually moved back in 2015 to San Francisco. And for the first time in my adult life, I sort of was shocked into the realization of like, I'm not protected here. I don't have a safety net necessarily as related to my health. And I found myself, you know, empathizing in a very real way with the 29 million Americans who don't have any health insurance in the 58 million adults who suffer from what's referred to as medication insecurity.
[Page//00:03:30] I don't have access to the therapeutics and drugs that they need to stay or maintain a healthy lifestyle. And I thought, you know, there has to be a better way here and you know, sort of browsing the supplement shelves in your local Walgreens or CVS. I sorta realized that, you know, the offerings, at least at the time we're really lacking either in terms of quality you know, the lack of synthetic excipients, having research-based dosages and [Page//00:04:00] formulas.
[Page//00:04:00] And I thought, you know, this is an opportunity here to really help a lot of people. And so that's what got us started. And we started as a mission-based company. To apply a lot of you know, research to the formulation and production of, of supplements and, you know, celebrate that research. So we've been on a sort of an education campaign since 2015 to help people you know, become, you know, a little bit more aware and, and, you know, self-educate around the products that they're purchasing and putting in their bodies and you know, what the science behind it is saying and how to make educated.
[Page//00:04:38] Julie Michelson: I love that. And that's what I'm really excited to dig into today. And I'm going to say what you probably can't or wouldn't. Please don't shop at Walgreens for your supplements guys, anybody listening, because that's what I really want to focus on today is quality. We need to be making sure it's no different than your [Page//00:05:00] food, your water.
[Page//00:05:01] It's gotta be high quality or just don't even do it.
[Page//00:05:06] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I'd love to unpack that a little bit more in the current.
[Page//00:05:09] Julie Michelson: we, we we'll we'll circle back to that, but I want to dive right in and I have already asked you before we hit record to really keep this simple for us. I know we've got a variety of listeners out there. Some are really well-educated and are probably extremely familiar with monolaurin or ready, and some are like, So let let's talk about monolaurin because it's this is why I wanted to bring you on.
[Page//00:05:38] Damon Sununtnasuk: Happy to yeah, let's let's keep it high level and let's start from the beginning. So as far as I understand it monolaurin is a relatively new product or. Substance that was isolated in the 1960s. And the sort of the origin story is a very unique one. And I can't confirm if it's true or not, but I, I do enjoy the story at least is that a [Page//00:06:00] scientist was trying to unpack a hypothesis around why infants, who are born really without an established immune system.
[Page//00:06:09] Like why are they not getting. Chronically ill or habitually ill, right? Because in order to build an immune system, you need to be exposed to external pathogens, right. In order to have a response and build immunity and infants as the story goes, haven't had that benefit yet. And so the scientist starts to look into the diet and see if there's anything that's influencing infant immunity from the diet.
[Page//00:06:32] And in the analysis of human breast milk a substance called LORIC acid was isolated. Uloric acid is a 12 carbon atom chain, medium chain fatty acid, and it comprises about six and a half percent of mother's breast milk. And that level can vary depending on age, diet, location in the world and ethnicity, things of that nature.
[Page//00:06:54] But around six and 0.5%. And that's really where the story starts is like finding [Page//00:07:00] LORIC acid. And in nature, LORIC acid really is only found in a couple areas. Apart from breast milk, it's found in Palm kernel oil, it constitutes around 48 or 49% of Palm kernel oil and around 50% of the fatty acid content of coconut oil.
[Page//00:07:18] And. You know, that's sort of like where the hero of the story is born. And so LORIC acid when consumed converts to monologue. In the body and the ratio of conversion is not fully understood or known, but monolaurin is really the subject of a lot of the, the research that we'll, we'll be exploring and unpacking today.
[Page//00:07:38] And yeah, that's, that's where we got that's where monolaurin gets started. You know, from the 1960s a lot's happened since its earliest discoveries monolaurin today is currently used in a variety of commercial applications it's used in food. It's it can be found in ice cream and pasta things like a shelf, stabilizer and
[Page//00:07:59] Julie Michelson: I tell [Page//00:08:00] people not to eat.
[Page//00:08:02] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah, all those, all those healthy things. But also in cosmetics again, you know, to preserve freshness and, and, and shelf stability. I had sprayed on outsides of fruits, fruits, and vegetables to help in the transportation of them. And it's even used in, in meat processing facilities as a surface cleaner, as an sort of natural, organic way of.
[Page//00:08:21] Alternative and leads to using harsh chemicals. And it wasn't until rather recently it was used as a dietary supplement and, and you're looking into the research. It's, it's evident why some people choose to take monolaurin as a supplement. And and so that's, that's where that's what peaked our interest.
[Page//00:08:38] So what's nice about monolaurin or glycerol monolaurin is its scientific name is that it is listed on the FDA is grass list a grass as an acronym. Which stands for generally recognized as safe. And so that's why it's very popularly used across these, these different industries, including dietary.[Page//00:09:00]
[Page//00:09:00] Julie Michelson: Amazing. It is interesting. It's it's as you said, relatively young. Yeah. It's been, it's grown a lot quickly sometimes, you know, we'll talk about something that somebody discovered, you know, a hundred, 200 years ago that was good for health. And then, you know, nobody did anything with it for, so I like the, you know, it's all of those uses at least in the food industry and for cleaning, I'm like, okay, these are.
[Page//00:09:28] This is a good substance. I would much rather somebody clean stuff down with model Lauren, then most of those harsh chemicals that I prefer not to come into contact with.
[Page//00:09:42] Damon Sununtnasuk: Right. It's. Certainly increased, not just in the last few decades, but indeed in the last couple of years, according to Google trends analysis, monolaurin search volumes increased by over 300% last year. Probably in response to, you know, people just becoming a little bit more aware [Page//00:10:00] of, you know, personal health and wellness and just, you know, maybe folks seeking out those sort of natural or homeopathic alternatives.
[Page//00:10:09] Julie Michelson: And I, I wanted, this is a perfect point. I know how careful you are about what we can discuss or what you can say to protect yourself and your, and your company, which is brilliant. Keep doing what you're doing. But for listeners, I say this all the time, this is nothing we talk about today is medical advice always seek, you know, your provider whether it's a supplement, a, an exercise, anything that you're doing to support your health check, check with your doctor, we're going to get into some specifics.
[Page//00:10:44] But again, I know it's oh, we always seek the advice of your medical provider.
[Page//00:10:52] Damon Sununtnasuk: I completely endorsed them and completely.
[Page//00:10:55] Julie Michelson: Yeah. So, so let's talk there, there, one of the [Page//00:11:00] exciting things about monolaurin is this variety of, I mean, it almost seems like a wonder supplement, if you will, in the sense of not that it's going to be the end, all cure all. But people can use it to support themselves for a variety of reasons. My, and interestingly, pretty much all of those reasons.
[Page//00:11:26] The play a part in, you know, auto immunity or likely in parts and pieces of people's auto immune journey. And I've heard you say, which is one of the reasons why I was like, yes, please come on the podcast, you know, healing is a journey. Life is a journey. You know, we're always growing and changing.
[Page//00:11:44] Sometimes we meet need different support in different. But for somebody listening, who has auto-immunity, you know, what, what would you think? And again, we're not talking about healing anything or, but, but what are some reasons why, why are these Google searches [Page//00:12:00] increasing? What are people looking for?
[Page//00:12:01] What are they using it for?
[Page//00:12:04] Damon Sununtnasuk: Right. You make a lot of excellent points there and happy to explore that a little further. You know, further bolster your earlier statement is that there's no magic bullet or indeed in our case, a magic pill you know, personal health and wellness is a journey. And exactly as you, as you said, which, you know, requires, you know, people to be mindful of their foods, that they consume, the rest that they get, the exercise, they get managing stress, et cetera.
[Page//00:12:32] And. Supplements come into play as part of that overall approach to health and wellness. But no, no particular supplement is going to be going to be a cure or a magic bullet or anything like that. So that's great that you bring that up, but yeah, the interest in monolaurin continues to grow for several reasons.
[Page//00:12:52] I, I wish I could sort of yell from the rooftops, all the incredible research, which is out there, but what I can do is probably [Page//00:13:00] arm, a lot of listeners with the tools they need to go find and seek out their own information and make individual decisions based on the information that they find. So let's, let's go through some of those outlets and what they, how they might
[Page//00:13:16] Julie Michelson: which is, you know, this is the old, you know, teach them to fish analogy because this isn't just monolaurin specific. We should all always be making sure everything we take, you know, has research behind it has science behind it. So
[Page//00:13:33] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's right.
[Page//00:13:34] Julie Michelson: us in the right direction.
[Page//00:13:36] Damon Sununtnasuk: Absolutely. So the first resource I might recommend is a resource by the national institutes of health. It's called pub med pub med is a fantastic database which is managed by the U S government, which is a database of scientific and academic research. And. Nearly all of the the publications that you can find on there are sort of what, when the scientific community [Page//00:14:00] refers to as the gold standard, right?
[Page//00:14:01] So peer reviewed multicentered double blind placebo controlled studies, both in vitro, which means sort of in the laboratory setting or in V. Which means within the body or a body, I should say, not necessarily the human body. So if you go to pub med, it functions very similarly to Google. There's a search bar and you type in a set of search terms and it returns a few results.
[Page//00:14:27] So for example, your listeners may choose to search for monolaurin or even LORIC acid or glycerol monolaurin and scientific name, plus a. I don't know a modifier. That's interesting to them. It could be auto-immune as you rightly pointed out earlier, it could be a hypothyroidism, a lot of people search for Lyme disease and many
[Page//00:14:53] Julie Michelson: we have a lot of underlying viruses bacterias
[Page//00:14:58] Damon Sununtnasuk: things that can contribute to chronic [Page//00:15:00] fatigue and things of that nature. Exactly. Right. That's right. Yeah.
[Page//00:15:03] Julie Michelson: lots of goodies.
[Page//00:15:06] Damon Sununtnasuk: And you'd be very surprised at the results which are returned. Right. And you know, sometimes it's their references. Sometimes it's the actual study itself, but you know, usually the hundreds or sometimes thousands of results related to what you're searching for. A similar tool, which, you know, you can, you can use is actually Google scholar.
[Page//00:15:27] So Google scholar is really interesting. It has a very familiar interface, but it focuses only on the academic and scientific studies and Google scholar can pick up some really, really fascinating results. Again, just putting in. Pair of search terms like monolaurin plus, you know, whatever attribute you're looking to to get educated about and a return you know, hundreds, if not thousands of results.
[Page//00:15:53] And you know, sometimes these academic papers can be a little bit done. Full of Latin words and [Page//00:16:00] equations and, and other elements, which are don't make them most friendly, bedtime reading. So if, if you're interested, there's actually a very interesting website called monolaurin and moore.com. Which takes a lot of the the guesswork.
[Page//00:16:15] And it does a lot of the filtering and upleveling of these studies for you. So that monolaurin and more.com. I believe there's upwards of 70 articles that are categorized by, by themes. And again,
[Page//00:16:29] Julie Michelson: I think that's a great starting place for people. If you're not somebody who's used to doing a lot of research, I would recommend actually starting there. And then you can dive deeper on
[Page//00:16:42] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's right.
[Page//00:16:42] Julie Michelson: like pub.
[Page//00:16:44] Damon Sununtnasuk: You make a great point and what's helpful about monolaurin and more is that every article contains really three principle components. One is sort of like the reader's digest take on a particular subject. So it's very, very easy to understand, comprehend and interpret. [Page//00:17:00] The second is that it contains. Specific verbatim quotes from the actual studies, right? So you don't have to dig in a study to find, figure out what they're trying to say. The third component, which is, I think what you're touching on is are the references and citations, which go back to pub med, which go back to Google scholar, which go back to the original source where you can sort of learn more.
[Page//00:17:20] Right. You can double click on, on these, these topics and read the full paper. If, if you that.
[Page//00:17:27] Julie Michelson: I love that. So interesting. So you mentioned, and I happen. I happened to know because I liked to do my research one of the sources, and I know it's the source of you guys. For monolaurin is the coconut oil for a variety of reasons, including ethical we're all steering away from Palm and we want to save those trees.
[Page//00:17:50] Tell us the difference if you will. I was going to say, not in scientific terms. I don't know if you can do that. But basically. Some listeners might be thinking, oh [Page//00:18:00] good. You know, I already consume a lot of coconut oil. Right. I know it's anti-inflammatory and I take it. It's a good fat what would be the difference for them?
[Page//00:18:08] You know, how much coconut oil was, somebody have to consume to kind of equate supplementing with models.
[Page//00:18:15] Damon Sununtnasuk: Great question. There's a few things to unpack here. Let's begin with using coconut oil as your source for monolaurin. So, as we mentioned earlier in the call coconut oil contains around. 49 or 50% LORIC acid, which is converted in the body to monolaurin the precise conversion ratio is not known, but it can be estimated.
[Page//00:18:37] And we've done some internal calculations on our side, which indicate that, you know, if you were to take a standard size 600 milligram capsule of monolaurin, you would need to consume around six and a half teaspoons of coconut. Right. That takes into account the density of, of coconut oil and sort of converting it in [Page//00:19:00] several ways to getting, you know, how many milligrams I'll need to consume.
[Page//00:19:03] And if you're an average person who may choose to take a couple capsules with breakfast, a couple with lunch, a couple of dinner you'd have to consume around one cup. That's actually precisely.
[Page//00:19:14] Julie Michelson: Oh,
[Page//00:19:15] Damon Sununtnasuk: cups of coconut oil per day in order to get the six capsule dose, which for some people, you know, may be unpleasant or just unrealistic.
[Page//00:19:23] If you're taking it
[Page//00:19:24] Julie Michelson: For some people, yeah. For most people I would venture to guess. And then I'm guessing just from doing what I do and knowing how different and unique all our bodies are, not everybody would be able to convert equally as well. I would imagine that we would all convert, you know, LARC acid into a different amount of monolaurin give or take.
[Page//00:19:46] Damon Sununtnasuk: Right. So the you know, potentially a more precise way as just taking it in supplement form versus through consuming coconut oil. But you made another great point is that you know, not all monolaurin supplements are created equal. Not [Page//00:20:00] only is it the source. So you rightly pointed out there is a difference between coconut and Palm kernel source.
[Page//00:20:05] We're not. You know, going to say that one source is better than another, but there are ethical reasons for choosing one source over another. For those who are not familiar, Palm kernel oil is harvested in Southeast Asia and sensitive environments. Like in Indonesia, there's a lot of deforestation that happens, which are you know displacing native species, like the endangered orangutan, et cetera.
[Page//00:20:27] So for an ethical re for ethical reasons, we choose B we prefer. So our silver Palm kernel source, but that's not the only decision that someone may want to make when selecting a monolaurin product. Another consideration is something called an excipient. An excipient is a rather technical term.
[Page//00:20:47] It's a part of the central part of any supply manufacturing process. High speeds encapsulation equipment requires a certain flow
[Page//00:20:56] Julie Michelson: I'm going to pause you for a second and back it up [Page//00:21:00] before. To really put it in. I want people to lean in and listen to this part is this is something I talk to my clients about all the time. And I know you're going to get to really what it is and why we should care. But I, and it's, I know it's technically as an excipient, it's not a filler, but I want people to understand you're talking about.
[Page//00:21:20] What's required to make the capsule or pill in whatever form. People would think of it, even though it's technically incorrect as a filler as somebody who isn't an AIP coach, I'm always having people relate. And so you're going to get to where we find this, but, but this is so important for quality.
[Page//00:21:43] And this isn't just with monolaurin guys. This is every supplement you take. You're going to, you're about to receive gold and I saw sorry to interrupt you, but I really want people to listen to that. If you only listen to this one piece of the podcast, listen to [Page//00:22:00] this.
[Page//00:22:00] Damon Sununtnasuk: All right, but with that amazing preface, let's let's jump into some considerations when selecting a particular supplement. If we were to let's take a step back even further. One of the choices you have to make is around the four. The foreign factor is, is interesting in the fact that you could take loose bulk powder if you want it to the challenge here.
[Page//00:22:26] And that has like zero fillers, right? It's just pure, straight monolaurin powder. The challenge here is that monolaurin by nature is an extremely bitter, extremely soapy, extremely sticky substance, right. Which even if trying to mask it and putting or applesauce. Well, coat the mouth and it's up tastes.
[Page//00:22:45] You'll never get out. Right? I I've done it several times. Myself. It is just very, very
[Page//00:22:49] Julie Michelson: How does it compare to the Buddhists I own?
[Page//00:22:52] Damon Sununtnasuk: Oh gosh, man.
[Page//00:22:54] Julie Michelson: Is it, is it up there in that category of you just don't do it? Just, just trust.
[Page//00:22:59] Damon Sununtnasuk: [Page//00:23:00] Yeah, I think that they, they it's encapsulated for a reason. So if you don't want to fight the taste well, then you really have a couple of choices. One is in a pellet forum, which is a rather novel delivery mechanism or. So pellets what's nice about pellets is it's pretty economical. You can get very, very high doses of monolaurin through pellets.
[Page//00:23:21] One scoop is upwards of maybe five or six grams per scoop, which is a significant amount of monolaurin. The challenge with Helots, which for those people who have not seen these, they are BB sized, teardrop shaped, small beads of monolaurin. Is that they're encapsulated in glycerin. Which for some people may upset the stomach, right.
[Page//00:23:44] If you read. Consumer reviews of pellet monolaurin. And some people complain that, you know, after taking the pellet, monolaurin a few hours later, they find it in the toilet. Right. Which leads you to believe that? Well, gosh, I thought I was getting five grams, but if I'm finding an [Page//00:24:00] undissolved, then maybe I'm not, maybe I'm getting a fraction of that and you just don't know.
[Page//00:24:03] Right. So it's hard to be very precise with the dosage. From that perspective. Another consideration is just. You know, it's it's not very convenient. It doesn't really fit well in a purse or a pill organizer. I can be sensitive to the high heat and things of that nature. So for that reason, you know, we personally prefer a capsule format when it comes to capsules.
[Page//00:24:23] This is where the excipient comes in, by the way. So capsules, you have a choice, either animal gelatin, capsules or vegetable cellulose, plant cellulose capsules, hyper malleolus capsule. So for those who may not want to take animal product, you might want to seek out vegetarian capsules. They come in two formats.
[Page//00:24:40] One, like we said, is hyper million lows, which comes from. Softwood trees, traditionally pine or there's an amazing capsule called Polin, which is a derivative of tapioca, which is really, really cool. Capsule has amazing oxygen blocking properties. And we use both in our products. So like we were beginning to, to unpack earlier [Page//00:25:00] modern, sophisticated.
[Page//00:25:02] Encapsulation equipment requires a certain flow, which basically means when you're filling the capsules, you want to ensure a uniform fill. If the bottle says 600 milligrams per capsule, you better hope that there 600 milligrams per capsule. And the way to do that is by using a lubricant and the industry it's called an excipient.
[Page//00:25:20] It's not a filler. It is an essential part of the manufacturing process to ensure that uniform fill. And manufacturers have a choice when it comes to this excipient this lubricant, right? They can use a synthetic lubricant, which generally speaking is silica or magnesium steering. The drawbacks using magnesium stereotype silica is that it may slow the absorption of whatever product you're taking.
[Page//00:25:45] It may cause stomach upset. For us, for our, our capsules, we use a natural alternative use organic rice powder as our excipient. It does the same job and just doesn't have a lot of the negative side effects that that may come with an artificial or synthetic excipient. So [Page//00:26:00] you can always figure this out by taking a bottle, turning it around and looking at the supplement facts panel immediately below the supplement facts panel.
[Page//00:26:07] If it's written in a compliant way, should be the additional ingredients, right? One ingredient will clearly be the capsule, whether that's a plant or animal based. And the other ingredient will usually be the excipient. So it should say something like rice powder or silicone or magnesium stereo, et cetera.
[Page//00:26:25] Yeah, those are some of the, some of the larger considerations, you know, other considerations that may not be as obvious when selecting a, a supplement is It does the manufacturer facility have accreditation's right. Are they certified by UL or are NSF as a good manufacturing process? Facility, are they FDA registered?
[Page//00:26:45] Are the products sent to an ISIS 17, 0 25 laboratory, all these things, you know, if it, if the package doesn't say it or if the website doesn't say, and it's probably because it's not right. And so you want to be conscious of that. You know, other things that are subtle and [Page//00:27:00] really only people in the industry catch on to it.
[Page//00:27:01] It's like label compliance, you know, is it, is the layout accurate? Are the fonts and point sizes, like up to FDA snuff, et cetera. And, and, you know, the, the conscious manufacturers will go through the extra efforts from both a time and expertise and expense perspective to make sure they get it right.
[Page//00:27:22] Right. Because. No gosh, in this industry and really only, only the paranoid survive longterm. Right. You know, if you start to cut corners, it'll eventually catch up with you. And so, you know, making sure you partner with with a company who has that dedication to, to compliance, to transparency, to trust and safety is really, really critical.
[Page//00:27:43] Long-term.
[Page//00:27:45] Julie Michelson: That is, like I said, amazing. It's. Even if somebody doesn't want to step into the monolaurin world, if they just take away with those tips on really [Page//00:28:00] making sure that their supplements are high quality. And I, I want to add a little caveat because a lot of my listeners are, you know, maybe have done or doing the autoimmune paleo.
[Page//00:28:11] Protocol and rice is not allowed on the protocol. And it is one of the things a lot of people will say, you know, but this has rice and I say, You're, you know, again, that's being used as a lubricant. That's not being used. It's not a filler number one. And even if it were, it is so much better than some of those other I have so many clients that have issues, gut issues.
[Page//00:28:38] Shocker in the auto-immune world. And those microclimates crystal leans and it caused such gut upset for them. And really it, it could be, you know, taking a couple of capsules could then take weeks to get them back to where their, their guts happy. So I say for those of you that are worried about the organic rice powder, don't be it is the best [Page//00:29:00] choice that you can make.
[Page//00:29:03] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah, that's great. And in fact, that the industry is really coming a long way. You know, there's a company called Ribas who produces an excipient, which is not made from the rice kernel itself it's made from the husk. It's really cool because. Would normally be treated as a waste product from rice production.
[Page//00:29:18] They, they sort of micro powder it and they use it as a, as an excipient. You know, the challenging thing here is sort of a balance between, you know meeting customer expectations and, and using really cool ingredients. What's nice. What I love about the Ribas you know flow agents is that it's a waste product.
[Page//00:29:36] It's like the husk of the rice Colonel. It's really great, but the, the drawback is, is brown. It's really dark brown. And so monolaurin is normally a white powder and they've experimented with it for awhile and customers just couldn't get over it. I said, why did my model learn, turn brown? I just don't understand.
[Page//00:29:50] So yeah.
[Page//00:29:52] Julie Michelson: Yeah, I can imagine that. I'm one of those who, if something looks off, I'll ask questions.
[Page//00:29:59] Damon Sununtnasuk: sure. [Page//00:30:00] Yeah. But if it is, if it is, you know, sort of Ribas and don't worry, it's naturally supposed to be proud of it.
[Page//00:30:06] Julie Michelson: I, one of the things I told you ahead of time, I really wanted to talk about I already touched on without going too deep on, you know, cause we don't have enough time to even say all of the potential complimentary issues that people with auto-immunity are dealing with. But I'm going to rename a few really quickly.
[Page//00:30:25] Candido. Lyme. Oh, I said Epstein-Barr already all various herpes simplex. Pretty much you name it. These things are living creatures. Most of them, all of them actually. The monolaurin is, is helping us deal with. And therefore, in layman's terms, you're going to fix my words. I now we create a die off and the die off creates a Hercs reaction which is [Page//00:31:00] something that anybody who's ever had.
[Page//00:31:01] One may have a little PTSD about. So let, let's talk a little bit about that because you got. So gone the extra mile. And I know you also have tips for listeners who are sensitive or, you know, really want to be careful on how to take the products in a way that's going to even further prevent that.
[Page//00:31:24] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah, that's great. Again, if I can just mention monolaurin and more.com, it's a fantastic website, which covers a lot of the topics you just did and really, really great terms. And so I highly encourage people to go there. Take a look out after listening to this episode, but yeah, let's talk about the Herxheimer reaction also known as a die off reaction.
[Page//00:31:45] So there was a scientist named Joseph Herxheimer who coined the, this die-off reaction term, I guess, decades ago. And what happens is. As you rightly pointed out with a rapid die-off of pathogens [Page//00:32:00] from, gosh, if you take an antibiotic or whatever can flood the, the the body with these protein endotoxins, right?
[Page//00:32:08] These waste particles from the pathogen that was just killed off and your body identifies this and wants to clean it up. Right? So you have this inflammatory response, which is ironically similar. To the symptoms of like a cold or flu. So while you are technically getting better you may feel a lot worse or you may have aches and a low grade fever and, and a lot of the symptoms that you would associate with, with a cold or flu.
[Page//00:32:34] And that's just your body's inflammatory response, trying to tidy up and clean up these protein endotoxins, which have been flooded into the body. And so, you know, there are some schools of thought that suggests that, you know, when you take a supplement, which may include monolaurin you would want to avoid this rapid die off symptom and the way to do that.
[Page//00:32:54] Or at least the way the industry recommends is what's called a low and slow approach. [Page//00:33:00] Right? So look at. Everybody, every, every, every person's body responds differently to supplements. And you know, I can't say like what particular dosage is going to be great for an individual, because it's so dependent on an individual traits, you know, age and height and weight and sensitivities and things of that nature.
[Page//00:33:21] So as you rightly pointed out earlier in the conversation, Please work with your doctor and work with a healthcare professional and GP, et cetera, to sort of coach you through this and listen to your body. Right. But the way the low and slow approach works is, is exactly as it sounds. If you were to start taking monolaurin, for example, you may start with one capsule a day or even one capsule every couple of days, right.
[Page//00:33:43] And slowly over time, increase that dose. So that you avoid any, any die off reaction, right? So you may start with a capsule a day and week one, B two, maybe you increase it to two and by week three and year up to three or four a day, et cetera, up [Page//00:34:00] until the therapeutic dose that you may be seeking to accomplish.
[Page//00:34:03] And the thought here is that if you do that low and slow approach, you'll avoid any discomfort.
[Page//00:34:10] Julie Michelson: Which I love and, and you're still. Well, as you said, you're getting to that therapeutic level. You're still at the Wynn w without the punishment. Those of those of us with auto-immunity tend to even have, I would say, you know, standard is cold and flu, like symptoms with a Hertz reaction. Pretty much a full what feels like a full blown autoimmune flare.
[Page//00:34:31] And, and so, you know, nobody wants that to happen. And that that's can create so much resistance for people because, you know, they have these underlying causes, these root causes that need to get treated. And maybe they heard about something else or their doctor wanted them to try something else and they took it and they started with the full dose.
[Page//00:34:54] They got to her reaction and they stopped and they're two years down the road and they're still just [Page//00:35:00] as sick as they were. And so this I think is so important for people to understand. I love that the low and slow and this is the, you know, tortoise wins the race every time. Really. And so with something as effective as monolaurin.
[Page//00:35:16] Th there, I would say for anybody listening to this, just start low and slow. Don't roll the dice and see, you know, well, if I hurts, then I'll go back. I mean, if it does happen fine. And then go back, I always say, you don't want to feel it. Right. You talked about, you know, slowly increasing and it's that, you know, you want to kind of feel nothing before you bump up.
[Page//00:35:38] So. An amazing piece of advice for everybody on, on how to really use this, to get to that, that therapeutic dose I'd want to very briefly touch on. Cause I've heard you say That you use this on a, you know, just kind of a daily health support. So let's talk about that side of it as [Page//00:36:00] well. That's this isn't necessarily geared to like, oh, you know, take this for X amount of time and treat something.
[Page//00:36:09] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's right? Yeah. So in addition to, so there are three dosing protocols. Are generally accepted within the industry. The first is of course the introduction phase, right? The low and slow phase, which we just discussed. You know, the second as, as people would probably assume is how they take it. It's like, oh my gosh, I feel immune compromised.
[Page//00:36:30] I should probably. Up my dose or take this supplement to help me you know, support my immune system. And that's absolutely something that many people do and, and is totally fine. But as we mentioned earlier in the call monolaurin is a grass listed supplement, and therefore it has no defined as far as we've researched that doesn't have a defined upper limit nor a period of time, which you're able to take.
[Page//00:36:57] It doesn't seem to impact healthy gut [Page//00:37:00] bacteria. It does not contribute to antibiotic resistance, et cetera. And so because of those points many people decided to take it and sort of like a daily driver, you know, like like you would a multivitamin or a daily supplement of vitamin C or vitamin D.
[Page//00:37:15] And the thought here is that if I can continue to support and maintain a healthy immune system, Well, then I won't have to worry about increasing a dentist in the future because I may, you know, have a immune compromise.
[Page//00:37:28] Julie Michelson: I love that. And we, we don't have time to go into all the different things I want to talk about. But I will just tack on. 'cause I've heard you talk about it before in that sense of, of prevention. Look, we're made to be exposed to all kinds of stuff all the time. And I know there are studies out there.
[Page//00:37:46] I I believe it was a, GRD a study. I heard you reference once where, so we're not just talking about. You know, treatment here, the really, you know, monolaurin can help prevent when we do come [Page//00:38:00] into contact with some of these things can help us not get sick to begin with. And that's the idea behind just take it.
[Page//00:38:08] If you're, if that's something you're interested in.
[Page//00:38:11] Damon Sununtnasuk: I see you've been doing your home.
[Page//00:38:12] Julie Michelson: Yes. I told you I'm a geek. So what is one step listeners can take today immediately to improve their health?
[Page//00:38:27] Damon Sununtnasuk: Right. As I mentioned earlier, today's conversation is not about trying to convince anyone that a particular supplement is going to solve a particular health issue. And it's, that's not the point of today's call. The point is related to. Help inspire and instigate people to get out and do a little bit of the research on their own, right.
[Page//00:38:47] To become educated, to do some of that self study and feel really confident and really good about. Seeking out a particular supplement. And for me, you know, monolaurin has been [Page//00:39:00] such an incredibly helpful and inspirational product and, and supplement and, and the research is out there. And so what I would want people to do is go to pub med, go to Google scholar and.
[Page//00:39:12] Do some of that research and feel really, really good and confident about, about what the science is saying. And don't believe me, you know, don't believe a, an advertisement which may pop up somewhere, you know, become educated, understand that. You know, personal health and wellness is a journey. As, as we said, several times in today's call, which is a combination of, of lifestyle choices, which may or may not include supplementation, but I'm not here to push or promote a particular product or substance.
[Page//00:39:41] I'm just here to say, you know, look at the research and, and make your own decision.
[Page//00:39:46] Julie Michelson: Well, you like to inspire, which is why I wanted you on inspired living. And I have a program called take your power back. This is my purpose in life and, and what you're recommending to listeners is just that. [Page//00:40:00] Take your power back. Do your research, educate yourself. And for those of you listening that are interested in trying the product I know Damon has an amazing gift for you.
[Page//00:40:12] If you go to naturalcurelabs.com and you use the code, JULIE10, you will get a discount and, and again, do the low and slow approach. And then you are going to love it. That I can promise.
[Page//00:40:26] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's really kind. And, We're we're here to help. You know, we are, our mission is to help with the education to provide, you know, quality safe, you know, research-based supplements, it doesn't start and end with monolaurin. There are several other you know, botanical and herbal extracts, which can, can really you know, be very interesting for us, for individuals, including things like we have a biofilm product, which is
[Page//00:40:53] Julie Michelson: I, so I may need to have you back so that we can focus on biofilm
[Page//00:40:58] Damon Sununtnasuk: Absolutely.[Page//00:41:00]
[Page//00:41:00] Julie Michelson: because people need to understand that as well. And it just, it works. We just don't have time to get into all of it. So here we are on air. I'm inviting you back cause I, I want to go there as well. So I love it. Where is, and all the links guys, including that discount code will be in the show notes.
[Page//00:41:18] But it's for those that listen, like I do, maybe they're driving or walking where can they find you? If they're, they're like, wow, this guy is really awesome. I want to hear more. I want to learn more. What's the best place to find you?
[Page//00:41:33] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah. So naturalcurelabs.com is our parent company and our current website, we are in actually, it's a. The company has a few brands. One is clearly a natural cure labs been around since 2015. We make human supplements. We recently started to make supplements for pets. So we have a pet line called Vita tails.
[Page//00:41:55] Would, you can also find online and we're slowly transitioning our [Page//00:42:00] brand to a new brand called Palmera health. And you know, so if you receive something in the mail you know, you order it from natural cure labs.com, which may have a label that says Palmera, don't worry. It's the same, same product.
[Page//00:42:12] Yeah, same company just just a small change and the logo. And we just wanted to sort of better reflect the mission values of the company with with the name change. So,
[Page//00:42:22] Julie Michelson: we're always evolving and growing, right? This is, it's a process. It's a
[Page//00:42:27] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah. Natural cure labs.com is where you can find us. Palmerahealth.com redirects there.
[Page//00:42:32] Julie Michelson: Wonderful. Damon, thank you so much for sharing all of this amazing knowledge with us today. I really appreciate.
[Page//00:42:42] Damon Sununtnasuk: It's my pleasure, Julie. Thank you for.
[Page//00:42:45] Julie Michelson: For everyone listening. Remember you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting inspiredliving.Show. I hope you had a great time and enjoyed this episode as much as I did. I will see you next week.
[Page//00:00:56] We dive into supplementing with monolaurin and while [Page//00:01:00] we don't get into any medical claims in our conversation, I can tell you from preparing for the show that the reviews for their monolaurin products are astounding. Consumers experience resolution of everything from candida to Lyme symptoms and incredible immune support, including improved Hashimoto's symptoms and results that are better than expected all around.
[Page//00:01:24] Listen in to empower yourself.
[Page//00:01:27] Damon welcome to the podcast.
[Page//00:01:29] Damon Sununtnasuk: Julie, it's my pleasure to be here.
[Page//00:01:31] Julie Michelson: So you are a different kind of guest for us. I don't have many guests that are in the supplement world, and so I'm excited to have you on, because what you're doing is so important and I want our listeners to get educated about not only your products, but I want them to hear there are so many supplements out there and you are, so I say I'm a geek. You are so passionate about what you're [Page//00:02:00] doing and that you're doing it well. That I'm, I'm just thrilled to have you on.
[Page//00:02:05] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's really kind of you to say, thanks, Julie. Yeah, we're mission-driven company. And, you know, we do our best to pull to our values of, you know, quality, transparency, and trust. And we're going to try to exemplify that on today's.
[Page//00:02:20] Julie Michelson: Super. So I love starting with your story. I always say, you know, I guarantee when you were four year old boy, you weren't like, I want to bring amazing supplements to people. So how did you get into this world?
[Page//00:02:35] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah. Great question. So I founded the company in 2015 after living overseas for several years, I had the, the benefit of living in Europe for several years and east Asia for several years. And in each country I lived in, I was afforded access to nationalized healthcare. So I didn't really have to worry about my own personal health and wellness during those years.[Page//00:03:00]
[Page//00:03:00] But being originally from the United States, I eventually moved back in 2015 to San Francisco. And for the first time in my adult life, I sort of was shocked into the realization of like, I'm not protected here. I don't have a safety net necessarily as related to my health. And I found myself, you know, empathizing in a very real way with the 29 million Americans who don't have any health insurance in the 58 million adults who suffer from what's referred to as medication insecurity.
[Page//00:03:30] I don't have access to the therapeutics and drugs that they need to stay or maintain a healthy lifestyle. And I thought, you know, there has to be a better way here and you know, sort of browsing the supplement shelves in your local Walgreens or CVS. I sorta realized that, you know, the offerings, at least at the time we're really lacking either in terms of quality you know, the lack of synthetic excipients, having research-based dosages and [Page//00:04:00] formulas.
[Page//00:04:00] And I thought, you know, this is an opportunity here to really help a lot of people. And so that's what got us started. And we started as a mission-based company. To apply a lot of you know, research to the formulation and production of, of supplements and, you know, celebrate that research. So we've been on a sort of an education campaign since 2015 to help people you know, become, you know, a little bit more aware and, and, you know, self-educate around the products that they're purchasing and putting in their bodies and you know, what the science behind it is saying and how to make educated.
[Page//00:04:38] Julie Michelson: I love that. And that's what I'm really excited to dig into today. And I'm going to say what you probably can't or wouldn't. Please don't shop at Walgreens for your supplements guys, anybody listening, because that's what I really want to focus on today is quality. We need to be making sure it's no different than your [Page//00:05:00] food, your water.
[Page//00:05:01] It's gotta be high quality or just don't even do it.
[Page//00:05:06] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I'd love to unpack that a little bit more in the current.
[Page//00:05:09] Julie Michelson: we, we we'll we'll circle back to that, but I want to dive right in and I have already asked you before we hit record to really keep this simple for us. I know we've got a variety of listeners out there. Some are really well-educated and are probably extremely familiar with monolaurin or ready, and some are like, So let let's talk about monolaurin because it's this is why I wanted to bring you on.
[Page//00:05:38] Damon Sununtnasuk: Happy to yeah, let's let's keep it high level and let's start from the beginning. So as far as I understand it monolaurin is a relatively new product or. Substance that was isolated in the 1960s. And the sort of the origin story is a very unique one. And I can't confirm if it's true or not, but I, I do enjoy the story at least is that a [Page//00:06:00] scientist was trying to unpack a hypothesis around why infants, who are born really without an established immune system.
[Page//00:06:09] Like why are they not getting. Chronically ill or habitually ill, right? Because in order to build an immune system, you need to be exposed to external pathogens, right. In order to have a response and build immunity and infants as the story goes, haven't had that benefit yet. And so the scientist starts to look into the diet and see if there's anything that's influencing infant immunity from the diet.
[Page//00:06:32] And in the analysis of human breast milk a substance called LORIC acid was isolated. Uloric acid is a 12 carbon atom chain, medium chain fatty acid, and it comprises about six and a half percent of mother's breast milk. And that level can vary depending on age, diet, location in the world and ethnicity, things of that nature.
[Page//00:06:54] But around six and 0.5%. And that's really where the story starts is like finding [Page//00:07:00] LORIC acid. And in nature, LORIC acid really is only found in a couple areas. Apart from breast milk, it's found in Palm kernel oil, it constitutes around 48 or 49% of Palm kernel oil and around 50% of the fatty acid content of coconut oil.
[Page//00:07:18] And. You know, that's sort of like where the hero of the story is born. And so LORIC acid when consumed converts to monologue. In the body and the ratio of conversion is not fully understood or known, but monolaurin is really the subject of a lot of the, the research that we'll, we'll be exploring and unpacking today.
[Page//00:07:38] And yeah, that's, that's where we got that's where monolaurin gets started. You know, from the 1960s a lot's happened since its earliest discoveries monolaurin today is currently used in a variety of commercial applications it's used in food. It's it can be found in ice cream and pasta things like a shelf, stabilizer and
[Page//00:07:59] Julie Michelson: I tell [Page//00:08:00] people not to eat.
[Page//00:08:02] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah, all those, all those healthy things. But also in cosmetics again, you know, to preserve freshness and, and, and shelf stability. I had sprayed on outsides of fruits, fruits, and vegetables to help in the transportation of them. And it's even used in, in meat processing facilities as a surface cleaner, as an sort of natural, organic way of.
[Page//00:08:21] Alternative and leads to using harsh chemicals. And it wasn't until rather recently it was used as a dietary supplement and, and you're looking into the research. It's, it's evident why some people choose to take monolaurin as a supplement. And and so that's, that's where that's what peaked our interest.
[Page//00:08:38] So what's nice about monolaurin or glycerol monolaurin is its scientific name is that it is listed on the FDA is grass list a grass as an acronym. Which stands for generally recognized as safe. And so that's why it's very popularly used across these, these different industries, including dietary.[Page//00:09:00]
[Page//00:09:00] Julie Michelson: Amazing. It is interesting. It's it's as you said, relatively young. Yeah. It's been, it's grown a lot quickly sometimes, you know, we'll talk about something that somebody discovered, you know, a hundred, 200 years ago that was good for health. And then, you know, nobody did anything with it for, so I like the, you know, it's all of those uses at least in the food industry and for cleaning, I'm like, okay, these are.
[Page//00:09:28] This is a good substance. I would much rather somebody clean stuff down with model Lauren, then most of those harsh chemicals that I prefer not to come into contact with.
[Page//00:09:42] Damon Sununtnasuk: Right. It's. Certainly increased, not just in the last few decades, but indeed in the last couple of years, according to Google trends analysis, monolaurin search volumes increased by over 300% last year. Probably in response to, you know, people just becoming a little bit more aware [Page//00:10:00] of, you know, personal health and wellness and just, you know, maybe folks seeking out those sort of natural or homeopathic alternatives.
[Page//00:10:09] Julie Michelson: And I, I wanted, this is a perfect point. I know how careful you are about what we can discuss or what you can say to protect yourself and your, and your company, which is brilliant. Keep doing what you're doing. But for listeners, I say this all the time, this is nothing we talk about today is medical advice always seek, you know, your provider whether it's a supplement, a, an exercise, anything that you're doing to support your health check, check with your doctor, we're going to get into some specifics.
[Page//00:10:44] But again, I know it's oh, we always seek the advice of your medical provider.
[Page//00:10:52] Damon Sununtnasuk: I completely endorsed them and completely.
[Page//00:10:55] Julie Michelson: Yeah. So, so let's talk there, there, one of the [Page//00:11:00] exciting things about monolaurin is this variety of, I mean, it almost seems like a wonder supplement, if you will, in the sense of not that it's going to be the end, all cure all. But people can use it to support themselves for a variety of reasons. My, and interestingly, pretty much all of those reasons.
[Page//00:11:26] The play a part in, you know, auto immunity or likely in parts and pieces of people's auto immune journey. And I've heard you say, which is one of the reasons why I was like, yes, please come on the podcast, you know, healing is a journey. Life is a journey. You know, we're always growing and changing.
[Page//00:11:44] Sometimes we meet need different support in different. But for somebody listening, who has auto-immunity, you know, what, what would you think? And again, we're not talking about healing anything or, but, but what are some reasons why, why are these Google searches [Page//00:12:00] increasing? What are people looking for?
[Page//00:12:01] What are they using it for?
[Page//00:12:04] Damon Sununtnasuk: Right. You make a lot of excellent points there and happy to explore that a little further. You know, further bolster your earlier statement is that there's no magic bullet or indeed in our case, a magic pill you know, personal health and wellness is a journey. And exactly as you, as you said, which, you know, requires, you know, people to be mindful of their foods, that they consume, the rest that they get, the exercise, they get managing stress, et cetera.
[Page//00:12:32] And. Supplements come into play as part of that overall approach to health and wellness. But no, no particular supplement is going to be going to be a cure or a magic bullet or anything like that. So that's great that you bring that up, but yeah, the interest in monolaurin continues to grow for several reasons.
[Page//00:12:52] I, I wish I could sort of yell from the rooftops, all the incredible research, which is out there, but what I can do is probably [Page//00:13:00] arm, a lot of listeners with the tools they need to go find and seek out their own information and make individual decisions based on the information that they find. So let's, let's go through some of those outlets and what they, how they might
[Page//00:13:16] Julie Michelson: which is, you know, this is the old, you know, teach them to fish analogy because this isn't just monolaurin specific. We should all always be making sure everything we take, you know, has research behind it has science behind it. So
[Page//00:13:33] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's right.
[Page//00:13:34] Julie Michelson: us in the right direction.
[Page//00:13:36] Damon Sununtnasuk: Absolutely. So the first resource I might recommend is a resource by the national institutes of health. It's called pub med pub med is a fantastic database which is managed by the U S government, which is a database of scientific and academic research. And. Nearly all of the the publications that you can find on there are sort of what, when the scientific community [Page//00:14:00] refers to as the gold standard, right?
[Page//00:14:01] So peer reviewed multicentered double blind placebo controlled studies, both in vitro, which means sort of in the laboratory setting or in V. Which means within the body or a body, I should say, not necessarily the human body. So if you go to pub med, it functions very similarly to Google. There's a search bar and you type in a set of search terms and it returns a few results.
[Page//00:14:27] So for example, your listeners may choose to search for monolaurin or even LORIC acid or glycerol monolaurin and scientific name, plus a. I don't know a modifier. That's interesting to them. It could be auto-immune as you rightly pointed out earlier, it could be a hypothyroidism, a lot of people search for Lyme disease and many
[Page//00:14:53] Julie Michelson: we have a lot of underlying viruses bacterias
[Page//00:14:58] Damon Sununtnasuk: things that can contribute to chronic [Page//00:15:00] fatigue and things of that nature. Exactly. Right. That's right. Yeah.
[Page//00:15:03] Julie Michelson: lots of goodies.
[Page//00:15:06] Damon Sununtnasuk: And you'd be very surprised at the results which are returned. Right. And you know, sometimes it's their references. Sometimes it's the actual study itself, but you know, usually the hundreds or sometimes thousands of results related to what you're searching for. A similar tool, which, you know, you can, you can use is actually Google scholar.
[Page//00:15:27] So Google scholar is really interesting. It has a very familiar interface, but it focuses only on the academic and scientific studies and Google scholar can pick up some really, really fascinating results. Again, just putting in. Pair of search terms like monolaurin plus, you know, whatever attribute you're looking to to get educated about and a return you know, hundreds, if not thousands of results.
[Page//00:15:53] And you know, sometimes these academic papers can be a little bit done. Full of Latin words and [Page//00:16:00] equations and, and other elements, which are don't make them most friendly, bedtime reading. So if, if you're interested, there's actually a very interesting website called monolaurin and moore.com. Which takes a lot of the the guesswork.
[Page//00:16:15] And it does a lot of the filtering and upleveling of these studies for you. So that monolaurin and more.com. I believe there's upwards of 70 articles that are categorized by, by themes. And again,
[Page//00:16:29] Julie Michelson: I think that's a great starting place for people. If you're not somebody who's used to doing a lot of research, I would recommend actually starting there. And then you can dive deeper on
[Page//00:16:42] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's right.
[Page//00:16:42] Julie Michelson: like pub.
[Page//00:16:44] Damon Sununtnasuk: You make a great point and what's helpful about monolaurin and more is that every article contains really three principle components. One is sort of like the reader's digest take on a particular subject. So it's very, very easy to understand, comprehend and interpret. [Page//00:17:00] The second is that it contains. Specific verbatim quotes from the actual studies, right? So you don't have to dig in a study to find, figure out what they're trying to say. The third component, which is, I think what you're touching on is are the references and citations, which go back to pub med, which go back to Google scholar, which go back to the original source where you can sort of learn more.
[Page//00:17:20] Right. You can double click on, on these, these topics and read the full paper. If, if you that.
[Page//00:17:27] Julie Michelson: I love that. So interesting. So you mentioned, and I happen. I happened to know because I liked to do my research one of the sources, and I know it's the source of you guys. For monolaurin is the coconut oil for a variety of reasons, including ethical we're all steering away from Palm and we want to save those trees.
[Page//00:17:50] Tell us the difference if you will. I was going to say, not in scientific terms. I don't know if you can do that. But basically. Some listeners might be thinking, oh [Page//00:18:00] good. You know, I already consume a lot of coconut oil. Right. I know it's anti-inflammatory and I take it. It's a good fat what would be the difference for them?
[Page//00:18:08] You know, how much coconut oil was, somebody have to consume to kind of equate supplementing with models.
[Page//00:18:15] Damon Sununtnasuk: Great question. There's a few things to unpack here. Let's begin with using coconut oil as your source for monolaurin. So, as we mentioned earlier in the call coconut oil contains around. 49 or 50% LORIC acid, which is converted in the body to monolaurin the precise conversion ratio is not known, but it can be estimated.
[Page//00:18:37] And we've done some internal calculations on our side, which indicate that, you know, if you were to take a standard size 600 milligram capsule of monolaurin, you would need to consume around six and a half teaspoons of coconut. Right. That takes into account the density of, of coconut oil and sort of converting it in [Page//00:19:00] several ways to getting, you know, how many milligrams I'll need to consume.
[Page//00:19:03] And if you're an average person who may choose to take a couple capsules with breakfast, a couple with lunch, a couple of dinner you'd have to consume around one cup. That's actually precisely.
[Page//00:19:14] Julie Michelson: Oh,
[Page//00:19:15] Damon Sununtnasuk: cups of coconut oil per day in order to get the six capsule dose, which for some people, you know, may be unpleasant or just unrealistic.
[Page//00:19:23] If you're taking it
[Page//00:19:24] Julie Michelson: For some people, yeah. For most people I would venture to guess. And then I'm guessing just from doing what I do and knowing how different and unique all our bodies are, not everybody would be able to convert equally as well. I would imagine that we would all convert, you know, LARC acid into a different amount of monolaurin give or take.
[Page//00:19:46] Damon Sununtnasuk: Right. So the you know, potentially a more precise way as just taking it in supplement form versus through consuming coconut oil. But you made another great point is that you know, not all monolaurin supplements are created equal. Not [Page//00:20:00] only is it the source. So you rightly pointed out there is a difference between coconut and Palm kernel source.
[Page//00:20:05] We're not. You know, going to say that one source is better than another, but there are ethical reasons for choosing one source over another. For those who are not familiar, Palm kernel oil is harvested in Southeast Asia and sensitive environments. Like in Indonesia, there's a lot of deforestation that happens, which are you know displacing native species, like the endangered orangutan, et cetera.
[Page//00:20:27] So for an ethical re for ethical reasons, we choose B we prefer. So our silver Palm kernel source, but that's not the only decision that someone may want to make when selecting a monolaurin product. Another consideration is something called an excipient. An excipient is a rather technical term.
[Page//00:20:47] It's a part of the central part of any supply manufacturing process. High speeds encapsulation equipment requires a certain flow
[Page//00:20:56] Julie Michelson: I'm going to pause you for a second and back it up [Page//00:21:00] before. To really put it in. I want people to lean in and listen to this part is this is something I talk to my clients about all the time. And I know you're going to get to really what it is and why we should care. But I, and it's, I know it's technically as an excipient, it's not a filler, but I want people to understand you're talking about.
[Page//00:21:20] What's required to make the capsule or pill in whatever form. People would think of it, even though it's technically incorrect as a filler as somebody who isn't an AIP coach, I'm always having people relate. And so you're going to get to where we find this, but, but this is so important for quality.
[Page//00:21:43] And this isn't just with monolaurin guys. This is every supplement you take. You're going to, you're about to receive gold and I saw sorry to interrupt you, but I really want people to listen to that. If you only listen to this one piece of the podcast, listen to [Page//00:22:00] this.
[Page//00:22:00] Damon Sununtnasuk: All right, but with that amazing preface, let's let's jump into some considerations when selecting a particular supplement. If we were to let's take a step back even further. One of the choices you have to make is around the four. The foreign factor is, is interesting in the fact that you could take loose bulk powder if you want it to the challenge here.
[Page//00:22:26] And that has like zero fillers, right? It's just pure, straight monolaurin powder. The challenge here is that monolaurin by nature is an extremely bitter, extremely soapy, extremely sticky substance, right. Which even if trying to mask it and putting or applesauce. Well, coat the mouth and it's up tastes.
[Page//00:22:45] You'll never get out. Right? I I've done it several times. Myself. It is just very, very
[Page//00:22:49] Julie Michelson: How does it compare to the Buddhists I own?
[Page//00:22:52] Damon Sununtnasuk: Oh gosh, man.
[Page//00:22:54] Julie Michelson: Is it, is it up there in that category of you just don't do it? Just, just trust.
[Page//00:22:59] Damon Sununtnasuk: [Page//00:23:00] Yeah, I think that they, they it's encapsulated for a reason. So if you don't want to fight the taste well, then you really have a couple of choices. One is in a pellet forum, which is a rather novel delivery mechanism or. So pellets what's nice about pellets is it's pretty economical. You can get very, very high doses of monolaurin through pellets.
[Page//00:23:21] One scoop is upwards of maybe five or six grams per scoop, which is a significant amount of monolaurin. The challenge with Helots, which for those people who have not seen these, they are BB sized, teardrop shaped, small beads of monolaurin. Is that they're encapsulated in glycerin. Which for some people may upset the stomach, right.
[Page//00:23:44] If you read. Consumer reviews of pellet monolaurin. And some people complain that, you know, after taking the pellet, monolaurin a few hours later, they find it in the toilet. Right. Which leads you to believe that? Well, gosh, I thought I was getting five grams, but if I'm finding an [Page//00:24:00] undissolved, then maybe I'm not, maybe I'm getting a fraction of that and you just don't know.
[Page//00:24:03] Right. So it's hard to be very precise with the dosage. From that perspective. Another consideration is just. You know, it's it's not very convenient. It doesn't really fit well in a purse or a pill organizer. I can be sensitive to the high heat and things of that nature. So for that reason, you know, we personally prefer a capsule format when it comes to capsules.
[Page//00:24:23] This is where the excipient comes in, by the way. So capsules, you have a choice, either animal gelatin, capsules or vegetable cellulose, plant cellulose capsules, hyper malleolus capsule. So for those who may not want to take animal product, you might want to seek out vegetarian capsules. They come in two formats.
[Page//00:24:40] One, like we said, is hyper million lows, which comes from. Softwood trees, traditionally pine or there's an amazing capsule called Polin, which is a derivative of tapioca, which is really, really cool. Capsule has amazing oxygen blocking properties. And we use both in our products. So like we were beginning to, to unpack earlier [Page//00:25:00] modern, sophisticated.
[Page//00:25:02] Encapsulation equipment requires a certain flow, which basically means when you're filling the capsules, you want to ensure a uniform fill. If the bottle says 600 milligrams per capsule, you better hope that there 600 milligrams per capsule. And the way to do that is by using a lubricant and the industry it's called an excipient.
[Page//00:25:20] It's not a filler. It is an essential part of the manufacturing process to ensure that uniform fill. And manufacturers have a choice when it comes to this excipient this lubricant, right? They can use a synthetic lubricant, which generally speaking is silica or magnesium steering. The drawbacks using magnesium stereotype silica is that it may slow the absorption of whatever product you're taking.
[Page//00:25:45] It may cause stomach upset. For us, for our, our capsules, we use a natural alternative use organic rice powder as our excipient. It does the same job and just doesn't have a lot of the negative side effects that that may come with an artificial or synthetic excipient. So [Page//00:26:00] you can always figure this out by taking a bottle, turning it around and looking at the supplement facts panel immediately below the supplement facts panel.
[Page//00:26:07] If it's written in a compliant way, should be the additional ingredients, right? One ingredient will clearly be the capsule, whether that's a plant or animal based. And the other ingredient will usually be the excipient. So it should say something like rice powder or silicone or magnesium stereo, et cetera.
[Page//00:26:25] Yeah, those are some of the, some of the larger considerations, you know, other considerations that may not be as obvious when selecting a, a supplement is It does the manufacturer facility have accreditation's right. Are they certified by UL or are NSF as a good manufacturing process? Facility, are they FDA registered?
[Page//00:26:45] Are the products sent to an ISIS 17, 0 25 laboratory, all these things, you know, if it, if the package doesn't say it or if the website doesn't say, and it's probably because it's not right. And so you want to be conscious of that. You know, other things that are subtle and [Page//00:27:00] really only people in the industry catch on to it.
[Page//00:27:01] It's like label compliance, you know, is it, is the layout accurate? Are the fonts and point sizes, like up to FDA snuff, et cetera. And, and, you know, the, the conscious manufacturers will go through the extra efforts from both a time and expertise and expense perspective to make sure they get it right.
[Page//00:27:22] Right. Because. No gosh, in this industry and really only, only the paranoid survive longterm. Right. You know, if you start to cut corners, it'll eventually catch up with you. And so, you know, making sure you partner with with a company who has that dedication to, to compliance, to transparency, to trust and safety is really, really critical.
[Page//00:27:43] Long-term.
[Page//00:27:45] Julie Michelson: That is, like I said, amazing. It's. Even if somebody doesn't want to step into the monolaurin world, if they just take away with those tips on really [Page//00:28:00] making sure that their supplements are high quality. And I, I want to add a little caveat because a lot of my listeners are, you know, maybe have done or doing the autoimmune paleo.
[Page//00:28:11] Protocol and rice is not allowed on the protocol. And it is one of the things a lot of people will say, you know, but this has rice and I say, You're, you know, again, that's being used as a lubricant. That's not being used. It's not a filler number one. And even if it were, it is so much better than some of those other I have so many clients that have issues, gut issues.
[Page//00:28:38] Shocker in the auto-immune world. And those microclimates crystal leans and it caused such gut upset for them. And really it, it could be, you know, taking a couple of capsules could then take weeks to get them back to where their, their guts happy. So I say for those of you that are worried about the organic rice powder, don't be it is the best [Page//00:29:00] choice that you can make.
[Page//00:29:03] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah, that's great. And in fact, that the industry is really coming a long way. You know, there's a company called Ribas who produces an excipient, which is not made from the rice kernel itself it's made from the husk. It's really cool because. Would normally be treated as a waste product from rice production.
[Page//00:29:18] They, they sort of micro powder it and they use it as a, as an excipient. You know, the challenging thing here is sort of a balance between, you know meeting customer expectations and, and using really cool ingredients. What's nice. What I love about the Ribas you know flow agents is that it's a waste product.
[Page//00:29:36] It's like the husk of the rice Colonel. It's really great, but the, the drawback is, is brown. It's really dark brown. And so monolaurin is normally a white powder and they've experimented with it for awhile and customers just couldn't get over it. I said, why did my model learn, turn brown? I just don't understand.
[Page//00:29:50] So yeah.
[Page//00:29:52] Julie Michelson: Yeah, I can imagine that. I'm one of those who, if something looks off, I'll ask questions.
[Page//00:29:59] Damon Sununtnasuk: sure. [Page//00:30:00] Yeah. But if it is, if it is, you know, sort of Ribas and don't worry, it's naturally supposed to be proud of it.
[Page//00:30:06] Julie Michelson: I, one of the things I told you ahead of time, I really wanted to talk about I already touched on without going too deep on, you know, cause we don't have enough time to even say all of the potential complimentary issues that people with auto-immunity are dealing with. But I'm going to rename a few really quickly.
[Page//00:30:25] Candido. Lyme. Oh, I said Epstein-Barr already all various herpes simplex. Pretty much you name it. These things are living creatures. Most of them, all of them actually. The monolaurin is, is helping us deal with. And therefore, in layman's terms, you're going to fix my words. I now we create a die off and the die off creates a Hercs reaction which is [Page//00:31:00] something that anybody who's ever had.
[Page//00:31:01] One may have a little PTSD about. So let, let's talk a little bit about that because you got. So gone the extra mile. And I know you also have tips for listeners who are sensitive or, you know, really want to be careful on how to take the products in a way that's going to even further prevent that.
[Page//00:31:24] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah, that's great. Again, if I can just mention monolaurin and more.com, it's a fantastic website, which covers a lot of the topics you just did and really, really great terms. And so I highly encourage people to go there. Take a look out after listening to this episode, but yeah, let's talk about the Herxheimer reaction also known as a die off reaction.
[Page//00:31:45] So there was a scientist named Joseph Herxheimer who coined the, this die-off reaction term, I guess, decades ago. And what happens is. As you rightly pointed out with a rapid die-off of pathogens [Page//00:32:00] from, gosh, if you take an antibiotic or whatever can flood the, the the body with these protein endotoxins, right?
[Page//00:32:08] These waste particles from the pathogen that was just killed off and your body identifies this and wants to clean it up. Right? So you have this inflammatory response, which is ironically similar. To the symptoms of like a cold or flu. So while you are technically getting better you may feel a lot worse or you may have aches and a low grade fever and, and a lot of the symptoms that you would associate with, with a cold or flu.
[Page//00:32:34] And that's just your body's inflammatory response, trying to tidy up and clean up these protein endotoxins, which have been flooded into the body. And so, you know, there are some schools of thought that suggests that, you know, when you take a supplement, which may include monolaurin you would want to avoid this rapid die off symptom and the way to do that.
[Page//00:32:54] Or at least the way the industry recommends is what's called a low and slow approach. [Page//00:33:00] Right? So look at. Everybody, every, every, every person's body responds differently to supplements. And you know, I can't say like what particular dosage is going to be great for an individual, because it's so dependent on an individual traits, you know, age and height and weight and sensitivities and things of that nature.
[Page//00:33:21] So as you rightly pointed out earlier in the conversation, Please work with your doctor and work with a healthcare professional and GP, et cetera, to sort of coach you through this and listen to your body. Right. But the way the low and slow approach works is, is exactly as it sounds. If you were to start taking monolaurin, for example, you may start with one capsule a day or even one capsule every couple of days, right.
[Page//00:33:43] And slowly over time, increase that dose. So that you avoid any, any die off reaction, right? So you may start with a capsule a day and week one, B two, maybe you increase it to two and by week three and year up to three or four a day, et cetera, up [Page//00:34:00] until the therapeutic dose that you may be seeking to accomplish.
[Page//00:34:03] And the thought here is that if you do that low and slow approach, you'll avoid any discomfort.
[Page//00:34:10] Julie Michelson: Which I love and, and you're still. Well, as you said, you're getting to that therapeutic level. You're still at the Wynn w without the punishment. Those of those of us with auto-immunity tend to even have, I would say, you know, standard is cold and flu, like symptoms with a Hertz reaction. Pretty much a full what feels like a full blown autoimmune flare.
[Page//00:34:31] And, and so, you know, nobody wants that to happen. And that that's can create so much resistance for people because, you know, they have these underlying causes, these root causes that need to get treated. And maybe they heard about something else or their doctor wanted them to try something else and they took it and they started with the full dose.
[Page//00:34:54] They got to her reaction and they stopped and they're two years down the road and they're still just [Page//00:35:00] as sick as they were. And so this I think is so important for people to understand. I love that the low and slow and this is the, you know, tortoise wins the race every time. Really. And so with something as effective as monolaurin.
[Page//00:35:16] Th there, I would say for anybody listening to this, just start low and slow. Don't roll the dice and see, you know, well, if I hurts, then I'll go back. I mean, if it does happen fine. And then go back, I always say, you don't want to feel it. Right. You talked about, you know, slowly increasing and it's that, you know, you want to kind of feel nothing before you bump up.
[Page//00:35:38] So. An amazing piece of advice for everybody on, on how to really use this, to get to that, that therapeutic dose I'd want to very briefly touch on. Cause I've heard you say That you use this on a, you know, just kind of a daily health support. So let's talk about that side of it as [Page//00:36:00] well. That's this isn't necessarily geared to like, oh, you know, take this for X amount of time and treat something.
[Page//00:36:09] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's right? Yeah. So in addition to, so there are three dosing protocols. Are generally accepted within the industry. The first is of course the introduction phase, right? The low and slow phase, which we just discussed. You know, the second as, as people would probably assume is how they take it. It's like, oh my gosh, I feel immune compromised.
[Page//00:36:30] I should probably. Up my dose or take this supplement to help me you know, support my immune system. And that's absolutely something that many people do and, and is totally fine. But as we mentioned earlier in the call monolaurin is a grass listed supplement, and therefore it has no defined as far as we've researched that doesn't have a defined upper limit nor a period of time, which you're able to take.
[Page//00:36:57] It doesn't seem to impact healthy gut [Page//00:37:00] bacteria. It does not contribute to antibiotic resistance, et cetera. And so because of those points many people decided to take it and sort of like a daily driver, you know, like like you would a multivitamin or a daily supplement of vitamin C or vitamin D.
[Page//00:37:15] And the thought here is that if I can continue to support and maintain a healthy immune system, Well, then I won't have to worry about increasing a dentist in the future because I may, you know, have a immune compromise.
[Page//00:37:28] Julie Michelson: I love that. And we, we don't have time to go into all the different things I want to talk about. But I will just tack on. 'cause I've heard you talk about it before in that sense of, of prevention. Look, we're made to be exposed to all kinds of stuff all the time. And I know there are studies out there.
[Page//00:37:46] I I believe it was a, GRD a study. I heard you reference once where, so we're not just talking about. You know, treatment here, the really, you know, monolaurin can help prevent when we do come [Page//00:38:00] into contact with some of these things can help us not get sick to begin with. And that's the idea behind just take it.
[Page//00:38:08] If you're, if that's something you're interested in.
[Page//00:38:11] Damon Sununtnasuk: I see you've been doing your home.
[Page//00:38:12] Julie Michelson: Yes. I told you I'm a geek. So what is one step listeners can take today immediately to improve their health?
[Page//00:38:27] Damon Sununtnasuk: Right. As I mentioned earlier, today's conversation is not about trying to convince anyone that a particular supplement is going to solve a particular health issue. And it's, that's not the point of today's call. The point is related to. Help inspire and instigate people to get out and do a little bit of the research on their own, right.
[Page//00:38:47] To become educated, to do some of that self study and feel really confident and really good about. Seeking out a particular supplement. And for me, you know, monolaurin has been [Page//00:39:00] such an incredibly helpful and inspirational product and, and supplement and, and the research is out there. And so what I would want people to do is go to pub med, go to Google scholar and.
[Page//00:39:12] Do some of that research and feel really, really good and confident about, about what the science is saying. And don't believe me, you know, don't believe a, an advertisement which may pop up somewhere, you know, become educated, understand that. You know, personal health and wellness is a journey. As, as we said, several times in today's call, which is a combination of, of lifestyle choices, which may or may not include supplementation, but I'm not here to push or promote a particular product or substance.
[Page//00:39:41] I'm just here to say, you know, look at the research and, and make your own decision.
[Page//00:39:46] Julie Michelson: Well, you like to inspire, which is why I wanted you on inspired living. And I have a program called take your power back. This is my purpose in life and, and what you're recommending to listeners is just that. [Page//00:40:00] Take your power back. Do your research, educate yourself. And for those of you listening that are interested in trying the product I know Damon has an amazing gift for you.
[Page//00:40:12] If you go to naturalcurelabs.com and you use the code, JULIE10, you will get a discount and, and again, do the low and slow approach. And then you are going to love it. That I can promise.
[Page//00:40:26] Damon Sununtnasuk: That's really kind. And, We're we're here to help. You know, we are, our mission is to help with the education to provide, you know, quality safe, you know, research-based supplements, it doesn't start and end with monolaurin. There are several other you know, botanical and herbal extracts, which can, can really you know, be very interesting for us, for individuals, including things like we have a biofilm product, which is
[Page//00:40:53] Julie Michelson: I, so I may need to have you back so that we can focus on biofilm
[Page//00:40:58] Damon Sununtnasuk: Absolutely.[Page//00:41:00]
[Page//00:41:00] Julie Michelson: because people need to understand that as well. And it just, it works. We just don't have time to get into all of it. So here we are on air. I'm inviting you back cause I, I want to go there as well. So I love it. Where is, and all the links guys, including that discount code will be in the show notes.
[Page//00:41:18] But it's for those that listen, like I do, maybe they're driving or walking where can they find you? If they're, they're like, wow, this guy is really awesome. I want to hear more. I want to learn more. What's the best place to find you?
[Page//00:41:33] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah. So naturalcurelabs.com is our parent company and our current website, we are in actually, it's a. The company has a few brands. One is clearly a natural cure labs been around since 2015. We make human supplements. We recently started to make supplements for pets. So we have a pet line called Vita tails.
[Page//00:41:55] Would, you can also find online and we're slowly transitioning our [Page//00:42:00] brand to a new brand called Palmera health. And you know, so if you receive something in the mail you know, you order it from natural cure labs.com, which may have a label that says Palmera, don't worry. It's the same, same product.
[Page//00:42:12] Yeah, same company just just a small change and the logo. And we just wanted to sort of better reflect the mission values of the company with with the name change. So,
[Page//00:42:22] Julie Michelson: we're always evolving and growing, right? This is, it's a process. It's a
[Page//00:42:27] Damon Sununtnasuk: Yeah. Natural cure labs.com is where you can find us. Palmerahealth.com redirects there.
[Page//00:42:32] Julie Michelson: Wonderful. Damon, thank you so much for sharing all of this amazing knowledge with us today. I really appreciate.
[Page//00:42:42] Damon Sununtnasuk: It's my pleasure, Julie. Thank you for.
[Page//00:42:45] Julie Michelson: For everyone listening. Remember you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting inspiredliving.Show. I hope you had a great time and enjoyed this episode as much as I did. I will see you next week.
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Damon Sununtnasuk serves as the Chief Executive Officer of Natural Cure Labs LLC, operating as Palmara Health and VitaTails brand supplements. He has an internationally decorated career in health, technology, and entrepreneurial leadership and his work and travel has taken him to more than 70 countries across six continents. He is the founder and president of multiple award-winning companies, including an industry-recognized strategy consulting firm with a global client base.
Mr. Sununtnasuk earned his Bachelor of Science in Business Administration (Magna Cum Laude) from the University of Florida and his Master of Business Administration (First-Class Honours) from the University of Cambridge, England.
Mr. Sununtnasuk earned his Bachelor of Science in Business Administration (Magna Cum Laude) from the University of Florida and his Master of Business Administration (First-Class Honours) from the University of Cambridge, England.
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