Episode 146
Udo Erasmus:
Finding Balance Through Presence and Awareness
In this heartfelt episode, we have the pleasure of welcoming back Udo Erasmus. In this conversation, Udo shares his wisdom on presence, awareness, and how to connect with the love within ourselves for deep healing and thriving.
First Aired on: Jul 1, 2024
Episode 146
Udo Erasmus:
Finding Balance Through Presence and Awareness
In this heartfelt episode, we have the pleasure of welcoming back Udo Erasmus. In this conversation, Udo shares his wisdom on presence, awareness, and how to connect with the love within ourselves for deep healing and thriving.
First Aired on: Jul 1, 2024
Table of Contents:
In this episode:
Discussion Highlights:
- Presence and Awareness:
- Udo stresses the importance of being present and cultivating awareness in our daily lives.
- Inspiration and Its Source:
- He elaborates on the nature of inspiration and how to harness it.
- Connecting with Internal Love:
- Exploring how love within can promote healing.
- Udo’s Personal Journey and Realizations:
- He shares his experiences from war-torn beginnings to self-discovery.
- Health Beyond the Physical:
- Udo’s exploration of health, beyond physical attributes, delves into emotion and energy.
- Understanding Life and Its Essence:
- Discussing what life truly is and our relationship with it.
- Advice for Personal Growth and Mindfulness:
- Udo provides valuable tips for self-reflection and growth.
Key Takeaways:
- Personal Background: Udo’s early life experiences played a pivotal role in his quest for understanding human nature and health.
- Combating Ideologies: Having lived through tumultuous times, Udo shares insights into overcoming societal pressures and ideological pitfalls.
- Fostering Inner Peace: Emphasizing the need for finding peace within to influence our external environment positively.
- Nature’s Role in Healing: Udo elucidates how reconnecting with nature can have profound healing effects.
- Practical Steps for Self-Discovery: His recommendations for self-knowledge practices, voluntary solitude, and meditation.
Other Resources:
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Episode Transcript
Udo Erasmus:[Page//00:00:00] So then when you say, okay, I'm sick. Actually, that's miss, that's misspeaking. Say, no, I'm not sick, just my body is. Because the body is subject to, to breakdown, right?
Udo Erasmus: Because it has form. Form is subject to breakdown. Well, the energy that, that runs it is not, is not subject to breakdown. So it's always perfectly healthy. And it's beyond death.
Julie Michelson: Welcome back to the inspired living with autoimmunity [Page//00:01:00] podcast. I'm your host, Julie Michelson. And today we are once again, joined by Udo Erasmus, the founder of billion dollar supplement line Udo's choice. Udo is the author of Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill, which has sold over 250, 000 copies. As an acclaimed author and speaker, Udo has an eight step process that takes into consideration all of the elements of nature and human nature, including physical health, mental health, presence and awareness, life energy, and being in harmony with nature and humanity.
Julie Michelson: Today's conversation focuses on presence, awareness, and inspiration, and how we can each connect with the love within ourselves to heal and thrive.
Julie Michelson: Udo, welcome back to the podcast.
Udo Erasmus: I'm glad to be on.
Julie Michelson: I am so glad to have the opportunity to visit with you again. Um, our, our last [Page//00:02:00] conversation, as I just said, before I hit record, I learned a lot. So I know listeners got a ton of value. Um, for those of you listening that missed Udo's last episode, it was episode 137.
Julie Michelson: So I really, really encourage you to learn about. Healthy fats and, and why we need them and how we can get them and what we shouldn't be doing with them, um, in episode 137, but we are here today for you to share your wisdom with us about, um, You know, what is inspiration and how do you get to the nature of human nature?
Julie Michelson: That's a really big question. But for anyone who missed 137, you know, who is Udo Erasmus? Why am I talking to you?
Udo Erasmus: Who is Udo Erasmus? Well, I'm still trying to find out. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a self discovery work in progress.
Julie Michelson: Aren't we all? I love that. Of course. [Page//00:03:00] Indeed.
Udo Erasmus: So, uh, I guess where it started for me, I, I was a, I was born in Poland when it was part of Germany during the second world war.
Udo Erasmus: I'm 82, so I was born in 1942. My parents were from Latvia and Estonia, and Hitler and Stalin, my father had a farm in Latvia, German Swedish background, but he lived in Latvia, and Hitler and Stalin made a non aggression pact and decided that as part of the non aggression pact, Latvia would go to the Soviet Union, and part of Poland would be given to Germany.
Udo Erasmus: But there was nobody from Latvia or Poland at the meeting. Yeah. So they just took it. Yep. And my father had a farm in Latvia. He loved the Russian people because they're emotionally very rich people. He hated communism because they took everything away from everybody. And communism was not the communal [Page//00:04:00] living that they said it was.
Udo Erasmus: It was actually a state dictatorship. And they didn't look after their people very well. And of course the system eventually imploded, uh, as socialist communist systems tend to do. Yep. Because if you take inspiration away from people, inspiration leads to self motivation. Yes. If you take independence away from people, meaning dependence on what's within you, then people kind of get depressed.
Udo Erasmus: And then they just do the minimum and they don't become innovative and they don't take risks. And in the Soviet Union, 20 percent of the population was alcohol addicted to vodka.
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: Because that was their spirit, right? Right. That's why we call them spirits, right? Uh huh. That's the substitute. When you can't find the spirit that you are, then you think you hope you can get it out of a bottle, which sort of kills some brain cells or puts them to sleep.
Udo Erasmus:[Page//00:05:00] And then you, it releases you a little bit to be a little sillier and stupider or even more violent. Yeah. Anyway, so it, so, so he left. Latvia, he lost a farm and we lost the community and lost the culture And lost the house and lost the animals and lost the fields and you know lost furniture like literally we got out there We lost everything on foot, right?
Udo Erasmus: Uh, not not at that point. Okay, not yet, but basically yeah, and and i'm a little ahead of myself in the story Ultimately, we lost everything except the clothes we were wearing the body we were in and the life in the body Everything else got stripped, right? So he ended up with a farm in Poland. The Polish farmer who owned the farm became his farm hand.
Udo Erasmus: There was a little tension around that, as you can imagine. Uh
Julie Michelson: huh.
Udo Erasmus: So my dad said to him, look, we're living in crazy times. Let's run the farm the way the farm [Page//00:06:00] should best be run. And when all of this crazy stuff settles out, then we'll sort it out. And they became really good friends. Because they were actually working together for the common good.
Udo Erasmus: Right? And it was innovative. And it was like, yeah, it was under really crazy circumstances. So then when the war ended, they helped us get out. And we ended up on a horse drawn hay wagon. My mother with six children. My father was off to war. And uh, uh, we were on dirt roads and horse drawn hay wagons. There were dead horses and people in the ditches and the communists were chasing us in tanks and trucks.
Udo Erasmus: And the allies, we like to think of them as the good people, they were using us as target practice, shooting at us from planes on the road. So my mother got off the road, it was winter, so she went through the snow covered fields. But it was safer to be going through the fields than being on the road. Sure, but she [Page//00:07:00] had six kids with her and She could only handle two kids one on each hand They were all under six.
Udo Erasmus: So she had to leave four kids behind two of were her own kids I was one of those kids so I got left behind and then they tried to Take me to relatives in berlin, but the relatives in berlin had already fled out of berlin So I ended up in an orphanage and eventually her sister Found out what happened and she came and found us and reunited us with the family I don't remember too much other than I never felt safe I never knew what I could trust because every day the story changed Sure, you know and and just if I can give some parental advice if you have kids don't raise them in a war zone Right?
Udo Erasmus: Because Good advice. For kids to thrive Right. A certain amount of physical stability is helpful. And certainty. Sure. Sure. Yeah. And yeah, the physical stability gives you certainty. And then you can play and you can [Page//00:08:00] learn and you don't always have to worry about, Oh my God, is, is this safe? Oh my God, what's going to happen to me, you know?
Udo Erasmus: And so, so we ended up in Germany and in Germany, uh, I was six years old when I listened to, that's when my life mission began. Six years old. I listened to adults argue about really trivial things. And the thought occurred to me, man, there must be a way that people can live in harmony. Because, you know, harmony, you know, if you're in a war zone, you know, harmony might just have super importance to you.
Udo Erasmus: Can we be cool? Can we get along? Yeah, please. Can we be safe? And so that thought occurred to me, but man, there must be a way that people can live in harmony. And this cocky little voice of a six year old who doesn't know how complicated everything is says, Bye. Bye. I'm going to find out how. And that's been my driver all my life.
Udo Erasmus: That's why I know how to talk about inspiration, [Page//00:09:00] right? And so I was always experimenting with things. I'm a born scientist. Yes. Because I was always, you know, in crazy things. I broke a lot of stuff, you know, just trying to figure out how it works and what its nature was. And I was always getting into stuff and I, I got, I got spanked a few times for, for that.
Udo Erasmus: Breaking things. I was just doing an innocent experiment, . Sure. Trying to find out the truth. I don't know why
Julie Michelson: there's extra parts when I put it back together, but
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, that too. Yeah. Yeah. And, and it was always easier to break it than to fix it . Sure. Yeah. There, there was, there was, there was that part too.
Udo Erasmus: Yes. And uh, and then when it came to going to uni, going to school. I went into science because science is about predicting and controlling. And if you're insecure like I was, then the more you learn about how things work, the more you can depend on how they're going to work because you can predict how they're going to work because you understand how they work.
Udo Erasmus: That's what science is about. [Page//00:10:00] Security in that, for sure. Math, physics, chemistry, uh, that was the beginning. And then that got boring because I was more into the world of nature, and this was become very theoretical, and the professors I had didn't tell us about what the applications were, and I wasn't smart enough to figure out I could, well, there was no internet, so Google, Google knows all, Google, Google was not there knowing all at this point, right?
Udo Erasmus: So I left, because I actually decided that living things We're more interesting. I mean, you look at this planet, you got to be dead in your head to look around and look at the plants and the animals and the seasonal changes and the flowers and the, you know, and the people, you know, and, and the fish in the ocean and the waves on it, you know, and you got to look at all of this loving living stuff.
Udo Erasmus: And you got to be dead in your head to say, I'm not interested in that. I was like, to me, it was like nature. Oh my God. That's so [Page//00:11:00] incredible. It's all inspiring. So then I went in, so then I went into biology. Biology means study of life, right? And I wanted to know what life is. Biology means study of life.
Udo Erasmus: So I figured that's where I would learn about life. And I pictured we would have a beaker. You know, a glass beaker that was going to be half filled with something liquid and shining. And we would point at it and say, Hey, there's life. That's how I pictured it. I even talked to my lab partner about it. His eyes just glassed over.
Udo Erasmus: He didn't get it. You know, and what I realized, what I realized now is you don't learn about life in biology.
Julie Michelson: Or a lab.
Udo Erasmus: Or the lab. You learn about form and function. So maybe we started with a frog in one of our experiments. The frog was alive. By the time we were done, the frog was dead. We figured out that you can put electricity on a nerve and that'll make the muscle contract even when the animal is dead.
Udo Erasmus:[Page//00:12:00] But we didn't get a handle on life. Where did the, where did the frog life go? So I said to my lab partner, you know, we should study ourselves. Because we have form and function and life all together in the same place. And we don't have to kill ourselves to get to know it. Now, that was pretty, that was pre sync, pre synced.
Udo Erasmus: Sure. You know, because I didn't know that that, that would be a route I would take, ultimately, to try and figure out what is life, right? Then I got into psychology to study soul, because that's what psychology means. And in psychology, we learned about thoughts, beliefs, emotions, not about soul. Then I went into medicine.
Udo Erasmus: I wanted to know what health is, because we call it health care. So they must know what health is. So my first year, I'm, I'm only learning about disease. So I went to the dean and I said, I came here to study health. I haven't gotten to learn anything about health. Do we get it in later years? Or, so what is [Page//00:13:00] health?
Udo Erasmus: I said, what is, what is health? He says, we don't know. We're working on it. And I, I can tell you that was not an inspiring moment for me. Uh, that was huge disappointment. You should have seen my face. I can imagine. You would have seen the face of total disappointment. And then I, then we were told as a doctor, you should always sound as though you know what's going on even when you don't.
Udo Erasmus: So
Julie Michelson: it was really liar school.
Udo Erasmus: And that was the end. And that was the end of my medical career because on the farm where I grew up, we call that lying. Me too. And then by that, then I realized, you know what, I'm going to learn more about health in biological sciences. Because here you study normal functioning of normal creatures in normal situations.
Udo Erasmus: Then I'm going to learn in medicine where you focus on abnormal functioning of abnormal situations, in abnormal situations, of abnormal organisms, like sick people. Right. Right? Or, or sick [Page//00:14:00] animals if you're studying, if you're doing research on animals, on disease, right? So, so, and then you realize, okay, well, I'm going to learn more about health in biological science.
Udo Erasmus: Nobody calls it health. But you're actually studying health, normal function. And I got into biochemistry and genetics. And event, and then I thought, you know, I'm gonna, in genetics, you're in the control room, in the nucleus where all the genes are, and then things turn on the genes, and you watch the genes do their, make their proteins, and you should be able to get a pretty good understanding.
Udo Erasmus: But again, it wasn't about health. They're always only looked at the material life is an energy. They never looked at the energy, even the molecules that carry energy. They talked about those ATP, but they never looked at the energy that they're carrying. They looked at the molecules that carry the energy, but they didn't look at the energy they carry.
Udo Erasmus: And it was like, how frustrating for you. [Page//00:15:00] And what, and I didn't, but I didn't, I wasn't clear about that. If I'd have been clear about it. I think I'm, I'm, I think I might have stayed in school longer, but I, it's like there's something missing and I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it. Wherever I've looked at university, nobody shows you God in theology.
Udo Erasmus: I mean it goes on and on and on, right? All it is is talk. It's his talk, it's concept, it's theory, it's, it's words, it's explanations. They have a value. It's not that they don't have a value, but if you're like me coming out of a war and you want to know what is the truth, big T truth, right, that you can actually depend on.
Udo Erasmus: It's not, you're not going to find it at university. So then I left university and I diddled with psychedelics and I actually, I actually snitched a, uh, ampoule of, Sandoz LSD, the original stuff from the Swedish company [Page//00:16:00] Sandoz, and I worked in a neurological research lab and they had samples, so I helped myself because they weren't using it, they were just sitting there, they were sent these samples by Sandoz for free, and they weren't interested in anything to do with them.
Udo Erasmus: But they were neurological research, brain function. So Sandoz was basically sending samples to see if they could drum up some business. So they got, so I got a free sample and it took like a very, very small amount, 60 micrograms, 60 micrograms, like a little more than half of one little ampoule in a sugar cube.
Udo Erasmus: That's how we used to, you put it in a sugar cube and then you suck up the sugar cube. And I had an, I had an experience that was. I had asked somebody, you know, what is LSD like? Because in arts, I was in science, and they, the students in arts were experimenting with psychedelics. So I asked him, what is LSD like?
Udo Erasmus: And he just looked at [Page//00:17:00] me, and very kindly, it was beautiful. He said, if you haven't taken it, I can't explain it to you.
Julie Michelson: And if you
Udo Erasmus: have taken it, I don't need to explain it to you. And I was like, after I took this, this journey, What a, what a beautiful description. He didn't even try to explain it, but he, but he really laid it out.
Udo Erasmus: Right. So what happened is I'm rolling on the floor, laughing my head off, listening to Mozart music and laughing in time to the Mozart music and the tears are running down my face and it struck me as incredibly funny that all this studiousness that I had trying to figure it all out in the world That what I was looking for was within me the whole time.
Udo Erasmus: And I was always looking on the outside and I wasn't finding it. And so for me, that was a huge door opener. It literally melted my war [Page//00:18:00] baby world. And I realized, Oh my God, I could, there's a thousand ways I could live. Now I got to figure out how do I want to live, right? Because it doesn't tell you how you want to live.
Udo Erasmus: It just shows you the possibility. And then, um, and then I, then I stopped doing that because they're, eventually they get to be pretty hard on your body. And so I said, okay, I only get one body. I need to look after it. So I'm not doing any psychedelic. experiences. I did a few. Yeah. And, uh, I'm not doing any for two years just to give my chance my body a chance to, to basically recover.
Udo Erasmus: And I wasn't like really sick, but I could feel it was like It, it, it, it's hard on your nervous system, I think. Sure. So, and so, so what, what do I do in the meantime? Then I started thinking, I'm, by this time, I'm like six, 20, 26, 27. [Page//00:19:00] And I'm thinking, okay, well, who do I want to be now that I know I can be what I want to be?
Udo Erasmus: Who do I want to be? Where's a model? My parents were not my model. They were very shell shocked from the wars and all the crazy stuff they went through. So they were not my model. And I came to the conclusion that. Of what, of what I knew Socrates might have been a pretty good model, you know, cause I, when we read his dialogues, like there was, I liked, I loved how we use logic to break, bring you to the point where logic doesn't work anymore.
Udo Erasmus: And then you have to go into experience.
Julie Michelson: Yes.
Udo Erasmus: So that was one of them. The other one was Jesus,
Julie Michelson: you
Udo Erasmus: know, and kind of like, you know, whatever. There's lots of stories about what the translations were and whether such a guy actually ever existed. But to me, it was like, take it on face value. And I had one specific question, [Page//00:20:00] I want to feel what he felt that made him be able to live like he did talk like he did and do what he did, you know, as, as it's in the Bible.
Udo Erasmus: Right. So I got a red letter edition because I'm, I'm coming to the party 2000 years late. Right. Right. So I got a red letter edition because I wanted to focus on what the master was talking about. What was the guy that I think might be a pretty good model. Yeah. So what was he actually talking about? So you know, the red letter edition, it's a Bible.
Udo Erasmus: Everything Jesus says is in red ink and everything else in the Bible is in black ink. So that was a way to focus on what, on not the commentary of the disciples and not the, you know, not the other people, other with other experiences like Paul and all those guys. But it was like, okay, here, here are the words of the master.
Udo Erasmus: Well, the words need to be coming from [Page//00:21:00] something, you know, if you're a poet, you have to feel something to write a poem. Sure. If you write poems without feeling, you're They're really boring, and they don't touch anybody,
Julie Michelson: right?
Udo Erasmus: So he, so there's, there must have been feeling there, because his life was a form of poetry, you could say, right?
Udo Erasmus: Yes. So I'm going through the red letter edition, and then I would put little things he said to the test. Like one of the things he said, you know, he said, what you have done to one of the least of these, that you have done to me. So I didn't ask a preacher to interpret it for me. I said, well, what does that mean to me?
Udo Erasmus: Well, it sounds like to me that I'm in everyone. Oh, Jesus is saying I'm in everyone. Oh, interesting. If I'm in everyone. That really changes how, you know, I mean that in, in a way that includes me in the, in the picture. Sure, you too. [Page//00:22:00] Yeah. It's not like he's perfect and I'm, I'm really screwed up and I'm not in the picture unless whatever, whatever the formula is.
Udo Erasmus: Right. No, I just wanted to understand it and I wanted to experience what that was. You know, then he says, Yeah. Kingdom of heaven is within you, right? No, that's not complicated. Kingdom of heaven. God lives in the kingdom of heaven. So God must be in you too. And, you know, Christ is at the right hand of, you know, I don't know how you can be on the right hand or the left hand of infinity, but anyway, so he's there.
Udo Erasmus: So Christ must be there too. Right? And then Holy Spirit is just an outcome. I'll get to that in a, in a second. Right? And so, you know, so, and then he says, and then he says, in the things you do in your life, first seek the kingdom. And then he says, everything else will fall into place more or less. I, I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
Udo Erasmus: Right, right. But that's what it says. Okay. So, well, [Page//00:23:00] we don't do that. We do, we put it last, you know, we put it last, we, we kind of like, we do distractions and blame and uhhuh, you know, ignoring, denying and screwing around, you know, until we run out of distractions. And then we kind of put it last, and I did too.
Udo Erasmus: Right. Because by this time I'm 28. Right, right. And, and, but, but here's the thing. Even if you put it last, it still works.
Julie Michelson: But you
Udo Erasmus: save yourself a lot of pain if you put it first. So, so I, so I was doing these little experiments, putting what he says to the test, and I had some really magical experiences.
Udo Erasmus: Traveling around, you know, hitchhiking, and one, one year I just, I just wore a robe, no underwear, no shoes, no, no pack sack, no money. And I hitchhiked around the province that I, that I lived in.
Julie Michelson: And people picked you up in a
Udo Erasmus: It was like every town I went to, it seemed like there was somebody there waiting for me.[Page//00:24:00]
Julie Michelson: Mm hmm.
Udo Erasmus: Wow. And then I would, I would help them do what they did, and that got me room and board. So I didn't need any money.
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: Right? So, so it was really, it was pretty cool. And then this group of Christians came up the coast from California. They called themselves the Jesus People's Army. That should have been a warning to me because army is not a great word in my dictionary
Julie Michelson: Well, yeah.
Julie Michelson: Because I came
Udo Erasmus: out of a war, right? But I missed that cue. So I thought, you know, like, just like a, you know, I, I have a good imagination, you know, we're going to have this, the beaker filled with light and it's shining and it's life. Well, I thought here we are going to, we're going to all get together. We're all on the same path.
Udo Erasmus: We're all trying to figure it out. We were all doing experiments. We're all having experiences and we're going to get together and we're going to all share our experiences and we're all going to. Leave the evening enriched, right?
Julie Michelson: That's great.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah [Page//00:25:00] So I went to the coffee house and I sat down on a chair and this guy's immediately swooped in next to me and that should have been my second cue and I missed that one too because I had this idea Of what this is gonna be like, right?
Udo Erasmus: So I looked him in the eyes and I said to him it must be possible to see God and live Because when we were kids we were told if you see God if you look at God, he kills you Right. And I always had a problem with that. It's like, wait a minute. He loves me unconditionally. Why would he do that? Yeah, he created me.
Udo Erasmus: He keeps me alive. He created this whole incredible place where I live. He loves me unconditionally, keeps me breathing when I sleep, tells me when to go to the bathroom, right? Like, runs everything, and I don't get to look at him. What's, there's something wrong with that picture. And then, um, uh, yeah, so, so I had a, I had a [Page//00:26:00] problem with that.
Udo Erasmus: That can't be true. But this guy, when I told him that, I looked him in the eyes, it must be possible to see God and live. He jumped out of his chair and he was jumping around the room with his eyes flying around his head and screamed at the top of his lungs,
Julie Michelson: you're from the devil, you're from the Antichrist, get out!
Julie Michelson: Oh my goodness.
Udo Erasmus: Holy smokes. So I get slinking out of there.
Julie Michelson: Well, I think that was a blessing.
Udo Erasmus: Indeed, like the war was a gift, this was also a gift. You'll see why in a second. So I'm standing on the sidewalk, I say, well, I haven't seen God. Maybe I'm not supposed to ask that question. And by the way, we were also told there are certain questions you shouldn't ask.
Udo Erasmus: And of course, they never told us what those questions were. Because if they'd have told me what the questions were, I would have asked them. Right. Right? So, so here I am. I, I haven't, [Page//00:27:00] I, I haven't seen God. So, and I got really desperate and really confused. And with the desperation comes sincerity. And what was, what left It was just this incredible feeling of, I really want to know, I really, really, really.
Udo Erasmus: So what I did is I, I went to the beach, to a beach in the, outside the city to clear my head. Cause that's how it cleared my head when the city got too much for me. So I ended up on this beach, completely deserted. I was the only person there, but somebody had draped some plastic over logs and made a little dwelling.
Udo Erasmus: I said, okay, here's my hotel for the weekend. Go in there, fall asleep. In the middle of the night, I woke bolt upright from dead asleep. And there was a being made of light, just there. No labels, no [Page//00:28:00] words, just a being made of light. Couldn't tell if it was male or female. Couldn't tell if it was old or young.
Udo Erasmus: Didn't have any wings, so I figured it was not an angel. And this being embodied a message, a being made of light embodying a message. And I could put words to that embodiment, which was, I am come not to judge, but to love. I am come not to judge, but to love. All my confusion, desperation evaporated instantly.
Udo Erasmus: I have never had a question since then about what was the message of the Master to humanity. I am come not to judge, but to love. And then I started thinking, well, who was this? Cause it didn't have a label on its forehead, right? Or on its, or on its sleeve, right? No names. So was this Christ? [Page//00:29:00] Was this life?
Udo Erasmus: Was this soul? Was this spirit? And I came to the conclusion, they're actually all the same. They're all the same. So the message of the Master to humanity, I am come not to judge but to love, is also the message of life, your life, to your body. Because life, which is a solar energy fraction, you know, the sun shines in all directions, 15 million degrees, you know, the sun Celsius, pretty hot.
Udo Erasmus: You don't want to get too close and burn your toenails, right? So it shines in all directions. Some of that light is filtered through 93 million miles of space, and then through the Earth's atmosphere, and then through green plants, and the fraction of solar energy that remains is stored in bonds between atoms to [Page//00:30:00] make molecules.
Udo Erasmus: We eat those molecules. In our cells, those bonds get broken and that solar energy fraction is released. And that's our life. That's our life. And that life, energy, that solar fraction, loves the body unconditionally. It weighs nothing, runs everything. It is omnipresent in your body, so everywhere present. It is omnipotent or omnipotent.
Udo Erasmus: All powerful in your body and Omniscient everywhere present in your body. That's a definition of God, by the way, Omnipotent, Omniscient, right? So there you are. So solar energy is life energy, is God, is Christ. Oh my God, we are really connected. Oh my God, we're really, we're really connected, right? [Page//00:31:00] And then that energy that weighs nothing and runs everything, its nature is a flow of unconditional empowering love for your body.
Udo Erasmus: And it turns out, when you think about it, because if I say to you, Hey, Julie, whose body is that? What do you say?
Julie Michelson: If I'm not thinking, I say it's mine.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, that's, and most people aren't thinking, and that's what they say, right? Right. And that's what I would say, well, this is my body, but you know what?
Julie Michelson: It's like a rental space.
Udo Erasmus: It's actually true, it's actually true, it is your body. But what you're saying is you're not the body.
Julie Michelson: Right.
Udo Erasmus: You're saying you're the owner of the body. This is my body. I'm the owner of the body. I'm the owner of this body. Well, who am I as owner of this body? Then it's like, uh, uh, well, actually life owns your body.
Udo Erasmus: That [Page//00:32:00] solar energy fraction is the owner of your body. So that solar energy, though you call God or you call it Christ, or you call it, it's the master in the body. Or, you call it spirit, or you call it soul, is the owner of your body. So that means your individual essence is that energy. Oh my god, you know what else about that life energy?
Julie Michelson: What else?
Udo Erasmus: It's perfect health.
Julie Michelson: Ah.
Udo Erasmus: It never gets sick. It never dies. You can't kill something that has no form. Has no form. So there you are. So then when you say, okay, I'm sick. Actually, that's miss, that's misspeaking. Say, no, I'm not sick, just my body is. Because the body is subject to, to breakdown, right?
Udo Erasmus: Because it has form. Form is subject to breakdown. Well, the energy that, that runs it is not, is not subject to breakdown. So it's always [Page//00:33:00] perfectly healthy. And it's beyond death. Right. Because you can't just, you know, energy when it separates from the body, the body goes flat. Right.
Julie Michelson: Right.
Udo Erasmus: And then it gets recycled into the water, the air, the, the, the minerals that it was made from and the energy goes wherever energy goes.
Udo Erasmus: I mean, whether it dissipates or, you know, but it goes somewhere because you can't just,
Julie Michelson: Doesn't end. Yeah. Yeah. You
Udo Erasmus: can't unmake something that exists just like that. It just separates from the body. Right. And then if you listen to people with near death experiences, Right. You know, they become light and then they float around as little light orbs.
Udo Erasmus: And, you know, there's also kind of, I don't know what's going on, right. But those reports kind of are in line with. I am not the body, I am the energy, and death is not the end. And by the way, that was also the message of the Master. You know, every, the body, every body gets crucified eventually. [Page//00:34:00] Every inconception is immaculate.
Udo Erasmus: Every birth is lowly, because we are born as, uh, St. Augustine so, uh, so eloquently said, we are all born between the urine and the excrements, right? Which is true, right? Because the birth canal is in between those two, right? So that's lowly birth. Doesn't matter if you're a king or an emperor or the master himself.
Udo Erasmus: They all came from lowly birth. Not because they were donkeys in the in the place, but because because birth birth is a is a lowly experience. Now, that's not negative. Right. It's just a, it's just a fact. Right. And then eventually the body gets crucified by something. Could be a bullet. It could be old age.
Udo Erasmus: Could be falling off a chair. It could be, uh, it could be deficiency of something. Could be infection. But eventually the body gets crucified and death is not the end. So this, so [Page//00:35:00] that story that I came 2000 years too late to is actually the story of every human being. Right. In the present. At every time.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Only, only you live that story now, and whoever's listening or watching is living that story. And you can notice the parts of that story in your own life. Right? So what is, so, so what does that mean? These, the, the masters were teachers of human nature. You know, you don't, you don't learn about life and biology, and you can't take a course in human nature where you really get.
Udo Erasmus: Uh, you, where you really learn human nature because you can't be an academic on human nature. You have to, you have to be living in your space. So when you live in your space, then if you, and, and the way to do that is you have to spend some time with [Page//00:36:00] yourself. Voluntary solitude, right? Quiet place, safe place where you distract, where you, you leave your distractions outside and you bring your focus back in.
Udo Erasmus: Into the space your body occupies, what are you going to find there? Well, if you go to all the, to the core of it, you're going to end up feeling peace or pure awareness, feeling peace or pure awareness, or some people in quantum physics, they call it the field. What is that? No content, a container without dimensions, no inside, no outside dimensions.
Udo Erasmus: And in that peace, everything in the universe unfolds. The entire universe and your life unfolds in a container, in an infinite container of peace. When you feel that peace in the core of your being, because that's your axis,
Julie Michelson: then
Udo Erasmus: you can look around, oh yeah, the peace is not limited to my body. The peace [Page//00:37:00] is everywhere.
Udo Erasmus: I'm a center for it, and it goes out to infinity. Everybody is a center of that peace.
Julie Michelson: I love that.
Udo Erasmus: And that peace goes out to infinity. Everything takes place in peace. Even war takes place in peace. Peace. You know, we make decisions about what we put into that piece, and sometimes it's kind of stupid, but from a, from the, from the sanctity of life perspective, right?
Udo Erasmus: So within that piece is this flow of unconditional love. And there are people who say, well, actually, love is just a condensation of peace. So, so the field condenses into energy, that energy is, is the love. And when I feel that. I literally feel cared for when I don't I'm when I don't then I feel not cared for then I'm always looking What can I do that'll get me taken care of and we do a really a lot a lot of damaging [Page//00:38:00] destructive things on this planet in our quest for Finding on the outside The love that we can only connect to on the inside and that is already there and is waiting for us to connect
Julie Michelson: Oh, so beautiful.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Isn't that cool? And
Julie Michelson: I want to,
Udo Erasmus: I'm, I'm almost, I'm almost to inspiration, but go ahead.
Julie Michelson: Well, I just wanted to throw in, if people are like, why, you know, why are we talking about this? Um, because so often people go after healing, it's the doing and the doing and the doing. And the healing is in the being and that is why I was so excited to bring you in again for this conversation So i'll i'll give the mic back to you.
Julie Michelson: I just had to throw that in there In
Udo Erasmus: fact, in fact, if you look at a lot of disease Comes from us with our mind Interfering with the flow of the unconditional love that is our perfect [Page//00:39:00] health. Ah, yes Right? Yeah. And there are people who've actually find the places in the brain where some of these diseases begin.
Udo Erasmus: Yes. There's a group called the New German, the New German. New German
Julie Michelson: Medicine.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, New German Medicine, right? Yeah.
Julie Michelson: So they,
Udo Erasmus: so they contract diseases to where in the brain the, the, the, the conflict is. Where the interference with the unconditional love that is literally flowing through your entire body.
Udo Erasmus: But you can block it with your thoughts, you know, and you can say, you can be filled with love and, and at the same time that you're filled with love by nature, you can be saying, I'm no good. Yeah. Why am I screwed up? I don't know. You know, and people tell you that there's something wrong with you and then you buy it because you're not doing your homework and recognizing, no, I am unconditionally loved and I am unconditional love.
Julie Michelson: Yes.
Udo Erasmus: If I do my homework and [Page//00:40:00] spend time in stillness, voluntary solitude, bringing my focus inside where that love, where I am, that love. How cool is that? Right? So that's number two. Then number three, the shine of that unconditional love. into the world. I call it inspire. I call it inspired purpose. It's also positive mind.
Udo Erasmus: It's also visionary. It's also a contribution, a positive contribution, right? It's also called the Holy Spirit. So now you have the, the, the Trinity is all, all part of your nature, right? And there's your inspiration. And if you know how to get in touch with that unconditional love. You will be inspired and your purpose will be Because what happened to me [Page//00:41:00] when I go there and I do that every day when I go there I feel so cared for that.
Udo Erasmus: It's kind of like oh my god. It's not about me anymore I'm cared for
Julie Michelson: yourself
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, and if I don't feel cared for then I know where to go to feel cared for
Julie Michelson: right?
Udo Erasmus: I have a practice I know where to go and when I feel cared for well, it's not about me anymore What what do I what do I need to do Oh, where can I help?
Udo Erasmus: Where can I help? What needs to be done? How can I make the biggest splash for good that's possible in the time that I have? So it changes the orientation. Before, when I didn't feel cared for, it was all like, What can I do to get me taken care of? And now it's like, Okay, I'm good. Where can I help? And it just makes my life so simple.
Udo Erasmus: Because what I can do to help shows up every day. I go for a walk and somebody's turning the map upside down because they're a [Page//00:42:00] tourist and they don't know where they're going. I see it and I say, where are you trying to go? Right? It's that simple. It's really simple stuff.
Julie Michelson: Sometimes it's just a smile for someone you can tell needs a smile.
Julie Michelson: Yeah,
Udo Erasmus: or a joke and everybody starts laughing, right?
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: Anything that raises the energy, that raises the quality of life. www. larryweaver. com Because, we're, we're God children, we're children of the universe. And we're supposedly living in peace and love and inspiration 24 7, right? But what happens, why, why we, why we're not doing that, is because there was a time when we lived like that in our mother's womb.
Udo Erasmus: I call it the, I call it the Buddha tank. The word sounds good, you know, if you call it the Christ, if you call it the Christ tank, you know, that's like a, that's like the, the Buddha tank. No, that doesn't work, right? [Page//00:43:00]
Julie Michelson: You're living
Udo Erasmus: in the Buddha tank, right? So your sperm was alive, and the egg was alive, and they got together, and the zygote, the fertilized egg, the zygote is alive, and it implants, and then a tank gets built around it, it's called a womb, right?
Udo Erasmus: Filled with water, and you're literally on a cord, right? Floating in the water, nothing to do, nowhere to go, but just be everything taken care of and pretty safe. Yeah. And so what, so where is your focus? Well, the focus had no place to go. So your focus is at rest in its source inside in life, in awareness.
Udo Erasmus: So you're hanging out and you're literally in a nine month meditation. If you're a full term baby, you're in nine months of continuous. Meditation [Page//00:44:00] you're a master in that place. Yeah, you're in mastery, right? And so that goes on and it's like, you know, if you think about it, you know That's got to be the boringest bloody place you could ever be To spend nine months doing nothing because we're so addicted to doing things.
Udo Erasmus: So oh my god, that's amazing How did you possibly how could you possibly stand being so bored for nine months without interruption? No, you're not bored. No, you're in light. You're in bliss You're in peace, you know, sometimes you see fetal fetus pictures, you know, and there's a little smile on their face Yes, you know and you're just like hanging out and the body's being built life is building the body You're not building the body life is building it and life is using your mother to bring you in Your mother is not making you right Life is using your mother life is Making your mother and life is using your mother to bring you [Page//00:45:00] in And you belong to life more than you belong to your mother And your mother helps on the outside and it's, it's a noble, it's a noble, um, uh, I just can't call it a profession.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. It's a, it's really a partnership. It's a noble endeavor.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Oh yeah.
Udo Erasmus: But, but the most important part of the child is inside it, right? Because that's how it grows. You know, you can feed it, but you can't grow it. Right. Right. You know, you can put a blankie on it, but you don't make it grow. Right. You know, you can put it in bed and turn out the lights, but you don't make it sleep.
Udo Erasmus: Right. So do
Julie Michelson: I know
Udo Erasmus: that? So how have you been there done that? So so we can help and make it comfortable on the outside unless we take our kids into the war zone. Right. But so we can we can help on the outside and make it more comfortable. [Page//00:46:00] But life is doing the job and the life is doing the job for eight billion people.
Udo Erasmus: And life is the leader. Is the true leader of humanity and every human being has access to the same leader in their own space to give them advice about how to live in their space instead of running to experts who are usually half baked, right? Right? Why don't you ask life how to live? Because life knows everything about you, and life knows, life is the thing that, that runs the planet, right?
Udo Erasmus: Not some guy in Ottawa, or some guy in DC, or some guy in Buenos Aires, or
Julie Michelson: Right.
Udo Erasmus: That's just like, that's a sham.
Julie Michelson: So where, where does one start it back to this voluntary, voluntary solitude, right? What, how does that look [Page//00:47:00] for somebody who hasn't had a practice or maybe isn't feeling inspired or in touch with purpose?
Udo Erasmus: Well, thanks for putting me back on track because there's one more story I need to tell. Okay. So you were in this perfect place in the mother's womb, and then one day you got kicked out of it. It's true. And everything changed, right? So in there, you were, you, you're, you're, your focus was present inside, absent outside.
Udo Erasmus: You didn't even know there was a mother around you when you were in there. You didn't know there was a world around the mother, right? You know, you didn't have any words. You didn't have to use the bathroom. You didn't have to eat because it was all provided through the umbilical cord, right? And you didn't even need to breathe.
Udo Erasmus: So you were literally
Udo Erasmus: You know, how can, how still can you get, if you don't need to breathe, you can get really still. Right. [Page//00:48:00] So, so then you got, then you got booted out and now everything changed. Now you had to cry for your breast milk and you had to cry for your blankie and you had to cry for keeping warm and for touch and for all the, the simple basic needs for liquid, for food, for diaper change, you know, and you had to get to know the world because now you're vulnerable.
Udo Erasmus: Because you live in a world where things change. And some things, some changes are not beneficial. And some things are. So you have to learn, get to know the world. And you have to, your, your focus goes from inside present, outside absent. To more and more outside present through your senses. Because your senses are attracted to change.
Udo Erasmus: Because every time something changes, you got to say, well, is this friend? Or is this faux or is this irrelevant and you have to do that very quickly because you're just survival depends on it [Page//00:49:00] And so we get really good at and every day we go out go out go out. You hear a sound Oh, what's that? You you know, the door opens.
Udo Erasmus: I give a lecture 3 000 people, right?
Julie Michelson: Yeah, and
Udo Erasmus: the side door opens and somebody comes in late I lose my entire audience to the door that's moving and a person coming through sure because we're attracted to change so automatically Yeah. Right? So older you get, more you spend your sight, your, your, your focus outside and less inside.
Udo Erasmus: And with that disconnection from the inner. Peace, love, and inspiration, with the disconnection from that comes discontent, something's missing, you lost something, you lost yourself, you lost your connection to yourself. Then you try to find it outside by who you marry, or how much money you make, or what kind of job you do, or what kind of adventure you [Page//00:50:00] have, or what kind of power you can get, or whatever it is that you're chasing on the outside.
Udo Erasmus: There's always the hope that when you're successful, you will feel whole again. Because nobody tells you that, that you're, you are feeling unwhole and you being driven is a discontent that comes from a disconnection of yourself.
Julie Michelson: Right.
Udo Erasmus: Yes. Nobody tells you that. So then you, you look for it and you, and, uh, you know, and I talked to a guy who was a billionaire.
Udo Erasmus: He had an airport named after it. And I said to him when I, he, he wanted to meet me cause he read my book, fats and oils, fats that heal, fats that kill. And in the last chapter, I talk more about this kind of stuff, but it's just like short because it's a book on oils. Right. He said, I was reading between the lines and I said, I wanted to talk to you because there's something there.
Udo Erasmus: And I, I want to talk to you about what that is. So I said, well, let me tell you how your life goes. You, you, you, you come up with a scheme, [Page//00:51:00] like building an airport, right? And then you spend 20 days, 20 years. Busting your butt getting together all the people and all the Material and all the plans and all of those things that you have to do to create an airport And there's a hope as you're doing that when you start when you decide.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, i'll take this on There's always the hope that when i'm successful I'll feel whole.
Julie Michelson: Yeah, i'll be happy Yeah,
Udo Erasmus: yeah, and then you're successful and then you get three days where you go. Yeah, I did it. I did it And on the fourth day you're depressed He said, well, he said, I, well, I wouldn't call it depressed.
Udo Erasmus: I'd call it let down. Yeah. Okay. Depressed.
Julie Michelson: That's what depression is.
Udo Erasmus: Right. But you're not inspired because you can't be inspired and depressed at the same time. Right. So he said, yeah, he said, that's exactly it. Yeah. And then what you do is you say, well, I didn't think big enough. Or I didn't think in the right direction.
Udo Erasmus: So then you come [Page//00:52:00] up with another possibility and you say, well, if I'm successful with that, then I'll feel all again. Right. And he looked at me and he said, that's exactly how my life has gone. And so I said, so here's what you're missing. What you're missing is that when you're, when you feel let down, when your heart aches, heartache is the result of your disconnection from yourself by your focus going out into the world.
Udo Erasmus: and moving away from where your wholeness already lives, right? And you don't know that, and because you don't know that, you're looking for, on the outside, for something you can only find on the inside. You know, if you look at these multi multi billionaires, Have you noticed they're just as petty as, just as petty as the poor people?
Julie Michelson: Oh gosh, if not more so.
Udo Erasmus: So, so the poor people think if I had, if I had rich people's [Page//00:53:00] money, I'd be happy. But then you look at the rich people who have that money and they're not happy. No. No, why is that? Because happiness is a state of being within you, and you have to bring your focus to it in order to be happy.
Udo Erasmus: And it doesn't require you to do anything. That's it. You know happiness. There's a happiness that's a result of something and that's a temporary happiness, right? There is a permanent happiness That is a state of being that you can go to any time you want if you know how to bring your focus there So to go back to your question,
Julie Michelson: yes
Udo Erasmus: Learn
Julie Michelson: to bring our focus there.
Udo Erasmus: You got it. You got a you got a You got to make friends with heartache Ah, see and what what do we you know, when do we have heartache? There's hundreds of triggers for heartache You know girlfriend dumps me. I didn't want to get dumped Heartache and you always feel it uneasy feeling in your chest Uncomfortable painful [Page//00:54:00] maybe makes you cry, you know Um, it can be pretty intense, you know If uh, if I made a made an agreement with somebody and the person breaks the agreement Heartache, right?
Udo Erasmus: If my grandmother died and I was close to her, heartache. If my dad dies, even if I wasn't close to him, heartache, right? So there are so many triggers for heartache, but the trigger of heartache is not the cause. The cause is your natural, normal, necessary disconnection from yourself. To get to know the world for survival, for the temporary survival.
Udo Erasmus: So if heartache and heartache is a huge gift, it's actually the greatest gift you've been given other than being alive, by the way, there's no auto immune diseases in either, in either peace or health. Or love or inspiration, because [Page//00:55:00] autoimmune isn't, is a, is a physical, sometimes mental phenomenon. Not, and, and, and your thoughts and your body can't go into the peace.
Udo Erasmus: The peace is in your body, but your body is not peace, right? So something unpeaceable is evolving in peace. Anyway, so, so, um, yeah, so, so you, you make friends with heartache. How do you do that? Well, you don't have to look for heartache. You don't, you don't have to go, Oh, let me go and create some heartache.
Udo Erasmus: There's enough. No, you get enough. You get enough. It's a normal part of you. Things end. You know, you put you, you hopes that something doesn't end, which ends heartache. You have an expectation. The expectation gets blown heartache, right?
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: So when you have heartache. Remember, it's your friend and sit with [Page//00:56:00] it.
Udo Erasmus: Be with it. Don't judge it. Just feel it. Might be tears. It won't kill you. So you sit with heartache. And the reason you want to sit with heartache is because that's your door to, to wholeness. Because heartache in its essence, Is your life calling your focus to come back home inside to where all the goodies are, right?
Udo Erasmus: Absolutely. So you sit with it. And so heartache, why is heartache such a gift? Well, number one, it grounds you, makes you simple, gets you out of your head, because it puts your focus here, not here. Okay, so heartache makes you simple. Well, that's a good thing. Getting out of your head is a good thing.
Udo Erasmus: Especially when you're overactive and overwhelmed and anxious and tripping on what ifs and you're depressed because I'm not good enough. Or let
Julie Michelson: down. Oh yeah, let down. [Page//00:57:00]
Udo Erasmus: So, So that's the first part. It makes you simple. It grounds you. Second is your drive. It's your driving force for everything you do.
Udo Erasmus: Heartache is the driving force. Only you don't call it heartache. You call it some other name based on what triggered it. You know, restlessness, emptiness, striving, yearning, hoping, wishing, You know, this all, like, because, you know, if you're, if you're whole, you don't need, you don't need to have any wishes, right?
Udo Erasmus: So
Julie Michelson: wait, so you can be whole and not done all at the same time? Of course, no, of course, of course,
Udo Erasmus: of course, no, but that's, that's actually a really good question because when you're whole, you're no longer compelled and driven. Then you, then you get to choose how you help. Yes. And now you're, and now you're actually free because you're in choice.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, you're not free when you're not whole. [Page//00:58:00] Right. You know, it's all the idea about freedom. Well, freedom, freedom is only possible in wholeness because then you're free to be what you are and you're free to do what comes out of your being, which is always based on peace, love, and inspiration. Holy smokes.
Udo Erasmus: That's so cool, right?
Julie Michelson: How you can be free even in a, in a war?
Udo Erasmus: I was in jail. I was in jail and I felt free. Yeah. Because I didn't think about the bars. Right. I thought, I felt, I felt the heart. Yeah. Once you
Julie Michelson: know how
Udo Erasmus: to go there, it doesn't matter what goes on in the world, you can actually be the light in your own darkness.
Udo Erasmus: How cool is that? Perfect. So now this third thing is, It's your call to come home. If it wasn't for heartache calling you home, you know, your, your focus would get lost in the world and wander around aimlessly, and you would never find your way back home. [Page//00:59:00] Heartache calls you home. How important is that?
Udo Erasmus: That's like thirst for water and hunger for food, right? And full bladder for going to pee and tired for sleeping.
Julie Michelson: If you never
Udo Erasmus: got tired, you'd never sleep and you'd burn out. Right. I don't know what would happen if you never, you know, Felt the need to pee.
Julie Michelson: It would not be good.
Udo Erasmus: It would not be good for
Julie Michelson: sure.
Udo Erasmus: So, so it's, so it's the cause, so, so the thirst, sometimes some people call it the thirst of the heart to feel fulfilled. Heartache is the thirst of the heart to feel fulfilled. That's not, that's a pretty good description. Okay, what else? It's your starting point for the journey. If you have no starting point, you don't have a journey.
Udo Erasmus: Right a starting point and you need a you need an end point The starting point is heartache and the end point is peace or love or inspiration Right. So it's your starting point for the journey and you can't, you know, if you won't put your feet in the [Page//01:00:00] starting blocks, you're not going to win the race.
Udo Erasmus: Right. Right. So every journey has to have a starting point. That's the starting point. And then the last one is, If you've gone to the starting point, and you're sitting with it, and you stay with it, and you find that less than a hair's breadth behind your heartache is your wholeness. So you literally, from the heartache, you're almost there.
Udo Erasmus: You're almost there. And you might go through a little bit of boredom, but boredom is very peaceful. And boredom, you only feel bored and think it's negative because you're addicted to doing so much stuff. Right. So not just, just get, it's okay not to do anything. Right. In fact, if you want to fix the planet, do less, right, do less, be more, be more, have a, have a, you know, raise the, raise the vibration and then live into the world in a, in a, in a quieter, peaceful, more beautiful way.
Udo Erasmus: Right. It's like not complicated. And then last one, if you've taken the journey home, then [Page//01:01:00] you're going to become complacent because you feel so good. And then you're going to drift again. And then the heartache will come back to call you home again. Sure. So it's the reminder that you need. And, and one more thing, you know, going out through your senses into the world as a kid.
Udo Erasmus: To, for survival is automatic. Coming home has to be deliberate. Ah, I love that. Your senses will always take you out. You will have to then make a decision that you want to cultivate what's within you and then commit to doing that. And whether that's five day, five, five minutes a day or ten minutes a day, I like to do an hour, an hour and a half.
Udo Erasmus: I'm. Yeah. I've gotten better at it, and it becomes, it's hard at first because we're not used to it.
Julie Michelson: It's foreign. Just like, just like you
Udo Erasmus: had to learn how to walk and you fell on your schnoz a whole bunch of times. Yep. Right? But finally you did. You never gave up. Yeah. You need to [Page//01:02:00] be like that with this as well.
Udo Erasmus: Never give up. And yeah, if you don't, you know, and I have, I've had times when I do my, call it self knowledge practice. Uh huh. Stillness practice. And I get up after and said, I never felt anything.
Julie Michelson: Wow.
Udo Erasmus: What a waste of time. I never felt anything. But you know what? I noticed that my day goes better.
Julie Michelson: Yes.
Udo Erasmus: Because I did take the time to be quiet.
Julie Michelson: And it's an exercise. Yeah. It's a, it's a discipline. And so for the, that, that doing mindset, you know, doing, being, sitting, is actually an
Udo Erasmus: exercise and it,
Julie Michelson: it does
Udo Erasmus: impact. Yeah. It's a discipline and you get better as you do it more, and I, I'm to the point where I look forward to doing it.
Udo Erasmus: I've been doing it now for over 50 years.
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: I started when I was 30, I'm 82, so 52 years.
Julie Michelson: I love, my favorite is that you said, you know, it can be five minutes a day. Like, no, I don't, don't try to start [Page//01:03:00] with Udo's practice. Like don't try, don't, you can't, well, you
Udo Erasmus: can if you want to.
Julie Michelson: Well, but I have people I hear it all the time.
Julie Michelson: Oh, I tried and I can't you know, then they they're not successful That's the coach in me Started and builds right? Yeah, but
Udo Erasmus: yeah, and and and the the thing is that people talk themselves out of it, right? You know, just like I say, well, I I practiced and I never felt anything But then I paid attention and actually my day went better, right?
Udo Erasmus: Oh, yeah Wow, so something happened in that time that I didn't notice You Right? I basically what happens is you become calmer and you become more settled and you become more solid and you become more anchored In your being and you and you're a little more peaceful, but sometimes you don't notice right, but it still shows up in the world It does and people and people notice it I walked across a gym floor one time in a meeting and somebody came running after me and said hey What is it you have?
Udo Erasmus: So what do you mean? I wasn't [Page//01:04:00] thinking about, I wasn't like being very conscious. I was just walking. So he said, what do you mean? Well, you have something and I want that. Oh, I know what you, yeah. And then I started talking to him about the practice that I do. That's what he was looking for.
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: But he saw it.
Udo Erasmus: I mean, I didn't even see it in myself and he saw it. Right.
Julie Michelson: Right. Because people can feel it. It's, it's energy. So people can feel it.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Where your focus goes, shows up. Yes. If you're in peace. You know, you live into a world that's filled with peace because you see the peace. Yes. If you can't see peace in the world, it means you're not, peace in you is not doing the looking.
Udo Erasmus: Right. Right? And then if you, if you see peace, that's very different than if you're angry, because if you're angry, you'll see enemies in the world. Sure. And if there aren't any there, you'll create them.
Julie Michelson: That's why, you know, gratitude practice or, and any of these practices.
Udo Erasmus: Right. Yeah. Right. And if you're fearful, you're going to see enemies.
Udo Erasmus: Sure. You're going to see, uh, you're going to see [Page//01:05:00] danger everywhere.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. And
Udo Erasmus: then you're going to live into the world as though it was dangerous, and you'll, you'll be afraid of things that aren't dangerous. Yeah. You're creating that with your own mindset, with your own state of being. So if in a state of peace, you see the world for what it is, because you're not elaborating, you're not embellishing, you're not imagining, you're not fantasizing, you're not, you're Right.
Udo Erasmus: You're feeling it. You're in it. There's no mental content in peace because it's a state of being not an emotional state in emotional states. They all have mental content. And then you're, if you're in that state of being, wow, you know, it's amazing. Then you see where all the pieces. Oh, my God. I mean, you know, what, what?
Udo Erasmus: Oh, my God. Somebody said to me this morning. Can you, or yesterday, I guess. Uh, uh, yeah. One question I always ask the people I do my interviews with at the end. Is, uh, say something you're grateful for. Yes. So I said to her, do you have 82 years to listen? [Page//01:06:00] Because honestly, from this perspective. Sure. Oh my God.
Udo Erasmus: The fact that I can talk to you wherever you are. Right. We can have this conversation. It's
Julie Michelson: And inspire people. Oh my god, you know,
Udo Erasmus: and then you talk about the technology that makes it possible. Oh my god, then you got the lighting so that I sort of look lit, right? And then you have all the stuff on the walls and whoever made the glass, I don't know who invented glass, but oh my god, I'm the beneficiary of being able to see the trees outside, right?
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: And I'm not even outside of my house yet for the gratitude, right? Right, right. I'm breathing. I have a bathroom, you know, I, I have some supplements that I take, you know, it's like some good oil among other things and enzymes and probiotics and, you know, and, and then I'm not even out of the house yet.
Udo Erasmus: And then I go outside, Oh my God, the grass is making oxygen for me. You know, so with every in breath, I can say, thank you. And then without it, without every outbreath, I'm making carbon [Page//01:07:00] dioxide for the grass. Yeah. So then it's like, thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. Right. Well, and I love that
Julie Michelson: you said it, but it's, it is true that where your attention goes, energy flows.
Julie Michelson: Oh, sure. And so, you know, yeah. Why wouldn't we create the practice? To have this be the experience of life.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Well, the question is, what is, what do you want, what do you want the, your, the quality of your life to look like? Yeah. If you, if you, if you, you know, I'm going to be crude, you know, if you want your quality of life to be shit and build a tent next to a sewer, right, right.
Udo Erasmus: If you, if you want, if you want your life to be filled with peace and love. Then be present in the space your body occupies, because that's where it is.
Julie Michelson: Ah, I love it. On that note.
Udo Erasmus: And there's more of that in you for you than you're ever going to get from anything outside. Absolutely. And that's why, that's why the masters [Page//01:08:00] who were really smart.
Udo Erasmus: said, kingdom of heaven is within you, first seek the kingdom and make that a practice. And then everything else will, everything else will be okay. My day is good. My day is good. Just because I'm good. Right. Right. I, you know, even if all the politics is crazy, there's nothing crazy in here. There's nothing crazy in here.
Udo Erasmus: My head might be crazy. There's nothing crazy in my heart. Right. My body might, might have pain somewhere. There's no pain in in my life energy, right? Yes, and so I literally get to be the light in in my world the light in my darkness What if eight billion people were the light in their space?
Julie Michelson: Imagine how the world would be
Udo Erasmus: it would it would it would be and we're and honestly we're wired for that.
Udo Erasmus: So We're now to the point where we're either going to destroy ourselves or we're going to do we're going to figure
Julie Michelson: it out
Udo Erasmus: Or we're going to do our homework.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Yeah,
Udo Erasmus: I [Page//01:09:00] love it. Yes It's like it's like yeah, we live in an incredible time and I get to do this comes out of my experiences How I got there, right?
Udo Erasmus: Everybody has experiences. The hunger is already in every human being Yeah, the heartache is already there going to the heartache just behind it Just a little deeper than that is your magnificence
Julie Michelson: Uh, so beautiful, Udo, uh, see, and the beauty is somebody who's 20 can listen to this and get the value of your 82 years of experience and, and just your, your heart so we can feel your heart.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. I think you already answered this, but I'm going to give you the opportunity to answer it again. Okay. What is one step listeners can take starting today to improve their health, their life, their.
Udo Erasmus: Well, you know what? Most people are not, are not satisfied with one step, so I came up with four.
Julie Michelson: Of course you did.
Udo Erasmus: Uh, one of [Page//01:10:00] them is first. Make friends with your heartache. Second, take time to be as still as possible every day. And I do it in this way. It's kind of like, okay, how still can I become? It's kind of like a game in a way, like little kids can play that, right? Play, you play in hide and seek and you didn't get, you didn't get well hid.
Udo Erasmus: You have to be really quiet because if you, if you, if you cough, You're gonna, gonna be attacked, right? How still can I be? And then how deep can I go into that stillness? And then how long can I hang out there? And how lightly and calmly and evenly can I breathe? And when I do that, what shows up in the space my body occupies?[Page//01:11:00]
Udo Erasmus: So that's a, that's stillness practice. I just made it up.
Julie Michelson: I love it.
Udo Erasmus: Or you can, or you can go to a teacher and he'll show you some techniques. You know, I, I, I've used techniques, um, I, the techniques I used to called self knowledge and the guy who came up with this techniques or who taught me the techniques, he wrote a book called hear yourself, hear yourself, how to find peace in a noisy world.
Udo Erasmus: His name is, his name is Prem Rohit. The book is on Amazon. I always
Julie Michelson: say it's whatever practice resonates with you that can get you started is, is, Exactly the one , so, yeah.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. And sometimes it's nice to spend time with people who are doing a practice because you then you get a contact hive.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Right.
Udo Erasmus: Because 'cause, 'cause it, it radiates good energy.
Julie Michelson: Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Udo Erasmus:[Page//01:12:00] Third one was get present to being present love that get present to being present. And the four oh oh no in the space, oh, sorry. Get present to being present in the space your body occupies. So that was the third one. And maybe every once in a while, when you think you're really stupid and, and ugly and, and not good enough, then remind yourself, I am light and I am love in my essential being
Julie Michelson: beautiful.
Julie Michelson: So, um, and how, how could any, how could that not be healing? I mean, I'm
Udo Erasmus: trying to make it, I'm trying to make it, uh, impossible to be destructive.
Julie Michelson: Right. Thank you. I think, I think you did an amazing job. So, so grateful for your time, Udo. You, again, have given us so much gold, but beyond that, your light [Page//01:13:00] shines through.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Well, I hope, I hope, I hope I infect 8 billion people.
Julie Michelson: I do too.
Udo Erasmus: Yes. And I need your help to do that.
Julie Michelson: Well, I am grateful for you
Udo Erasmus: and thank you for doing that.
Julie Michelson: I thank you. And for everyone listening, remember you can get those transcripts and show notes by visiting inspired living. show. I hope you had an amazing time and just enjoyed yourself and learned as much as I did.
Julie Michelson: I'll see you next week.
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Udo Erasmus: Because it has form. Form is subject to breakdown. Well, the energy that, that runs it is not, is not subject to breakdown. So it's always perfectly healthy. And it's beyond death.
Julie Michelson: Welcome back to the inspired living with autoimmunity [Page//00:01:00] podcast. I'm your host, Julie Michelson. And today we are once again, joined by Udo Erasmus, the founder of billion dollar supplement line Udo's choice. Udo is the author of Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill, which has sold over 250, 000 copies. As an acclaimed author and speaker, Udo has an eight step process that takes into consideration all of the elements of nature and human nature, including physical health, mental health, presence and awareness, life energy, and being in harmony with nature and humanity.
Julie Michelson: Today's conversation focuses on presence, awareness, and inspiration, and how we can each connect with the love within ourselves to heal and thrive.
Julie Michelson: Udo, welcome back to the podcast.
Udo Erasmus: I'm glad to be on.
Julie Michelson: I am so glad to have the opportunity to visit with you again. Um, our, our last [Page//00:02:00] conversation, as I just said, before I hit record, I learned a lot. So I know listeners got a ton of value. Um, for those of you listening that missed Udo's last episode, it was episode 137.
Julie Michelson: So I really, really encourage you to learn about. Healthy fats and, and why we need them and how we can get them and what we shouldn't be doing with them, um, in episode 137, but we are here today for you to share your wisdom with us about, um, You know, what is inspiration and how do you get to the nature of human nature?
Julie Michelson: That's a really big question. But for anyone who missed 137, you know, who is Udo Erasmus? Why am I talking to you?
Udo Erasmus: Who is Udo Erasmus? Well, I'm still trying to find out. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a self discovery work in progress.
Julie Michelson: Aren't we all? I love that. Of course. [Page//00:03:00] Indeed.
Udo Erasmus: So, uh, I guess where it started for me, I, I was a, I was born in Poland when it was part of Germany during the second world war.
Udo Erasmus: I'm 82, so I was born in 1942. My parents were from Latvia and Estonia, and Hitler and Stalin, my father had a farm in Latvia, German Swedish background, but he lived in Latvia, and Hitler and Stalin made a non aggression pact and decided that as part of the non aggression pact, Latvia would go to the Soviet Union, and part of Poland would be given to Germany.
Udo Erasmus: But there was nobody from Latvia or Poland at the meeting. Yeah. So they just took it. Yep. And my father had a farm in Latvia. He loved the Russian people because they're emotionally very rich people. He hated communism because they took everything away from everybody. And communism was not the communal [Page//00:04:00] living that they said it was.
Udo Erasmus: It was actually a state dictatorship. And they didn't look after their people very well. And of course the system eventually imploded, uh, as socialist communist systems tend to do. Yep. Because if you take inspiration away from people, inspiration leads to self motivation. Yes. If you take independence away from people, meaning dependence on what's within you, then people kind of get depressed.
Udo Erasmus: And then they just do the minimum and they don't become innovative and they don't take risks. And in the Soviet Union, 20 percent of the population was alcohol addicted to vodka.
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: Because that was their spirit, right? Right. That's why we call them spirits, right? Uh huh. That's the substitute. When you can't find the spirit that you are, then you think you hope you can get it out of a bottle, which sort of kills some brain cells or puts them to sleep.
Udo Erasmus:[Page//00:05:00] And then you, it releases you a little bit to be a little sillier and stupider or even more violent. Yeah. Anyway, so it, so, so he left. Latvia, he lost a farm and we lost the community and lost the culture And lost the house and lost the animals and lost the fields and you know lost furniture like literally we got out there We lost everything on foot, right?
Udo Erasmus: Uh, not not at that point. Okay, not yet, but basically yeah, and and i'm a little ahead of myself in the story Ultimately, we lost everything except the clothes we were wearing the body we were in and the life in the body Everything else got stripped, right? So he ended up with a farm in Poland. The Polish farmer who owned the farm became his farm hand.
Udo Erasmus: There was a little tension around that, as you can imagine. Uh
Julie Michelson: huh.
Udo Erasmus: So my dad said to him, look, we're living in crazy times. Let's run the farm the way the farm [Page//00:06:00] should best be run. And when all of this crazy stuff settles out, then we'll sort it out. And they became really good friends. Because they were actually working together for the common good.
Udo Erasmus: Right? And it was innovative. And it was like, yeah, it was under really crazy circumstances. So then when the war ended, they helped us get out. And we ended up on a horse drawn hay wagon. My mother with six children. My father was off to war. And uh, uh, we were on dirt roads and horse drawn hay wagons. There were dead horses and people in the ditches and the communists were chasing us in tanks and trucks.
Udo Erasmus: And the allies, we like to think of them as the good people, they were using us as target practice, shooting at us from planes on the road. So my mother got off the road, it was winter, so she went through the snow covered fields. But it was safer to be going through the fields than being on the road. Sure, but she [Page//00:07:00] had six kids with her and She could only handle two kids one on each hand They were all under six.
Udo Erasmus: So she had to leave four kids behind two of were her own kids I was one of those kids so I got left behind and then they tried to Take me to relatives in berlin, but the relatives in berlin had already fled out of berlin So I ended up in an orphanage and eventually her sister Found out what happened and she came and found us and reunited us with the family I don't remember too much other than I never felt safe I never knew what I could trust because every day the story changed Sure, you know and and just if I can give some parental advice if you have kids don't raise them in a war zone Right?
Udo Erasmus: Because Good advice. For kids to thrive Right. A certain amount of physical stability is helpful. And certainty. Sure. Sure. Yeah. And yeah, the physical stability gives you certainty. And then you can play and you can [Page//00:08:00] learn and you don't always have to worry about, Oh my God, is, is this safe? Oh my God, what's going to happen to me, you know?
Udo Erasmus: And so, so we ended up in Germany and in Germany, uh, I was six years old when I listened to, that's when my life mission began. Six years old. I listened to adults argue about really trivial things. And the thought occurred to me, man, there must be a way that people can live in harmony. Because, you know, harmony, you know, if you're in a war zone, you know, harmony might just have super importance to you.
Udo Erasmus: Can we be cool? Can we get along? Yeah, please. Can we be safe? And so that thought occurred to me, but man, there must be a way that people can live in harmony. And this cocky little voice of a six year old who doesn't know how complicated everything is says, Bye. Bye. I'm going to find out how. And that's been my driver all my life.
Udo Erasmus: That's why I know how to talk about inspiration, [Page//00:09:00] right? And so I was always experimenting with things. I'm a born scientist. Yes. Because I was always, you know, in crazy things. I broke a lot of stuff, you know, just trying to figure out how it works and what its nature was. And I was always getting into stuff and I, I got, I got spanked a few times for, for that.
Udo Erasmus: Breaking things. I was just doing an innocent experiment, . Sure. Trying to find out the truth. I don't know why
Julie Michelson: there's extra parts when I put it back together, but
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, that too. Yeah. Yeah. And, and it was always easier to break it than to fix it . Sure. Yeah. There, there was, there was, there was that part too.
Udo Erasmus: Yes. And uh, and then when it came to going to uni, going to school. I went into science because science is about predicting and controlling. And if you're insecure like I was, then the more you learn about how things work, the more you can depend on how they're going to work because you can predict how they're going to work because you understand how they work.
Udo Erasmus: That's what science is about. [Page//00:10:00] Security in that, for sure. Math, physics, chemistry, uh, that was the beginning. And then that got boring because I was more into the world of nature, and this was become very theoretical, and the professors I had didn't tell us about what the applications were, and I wasn't smart enough to figure out I could, well, there was no internet, so Google, Google knows all, Google, Google was not there knowing all at this point, right?
Udo Erasmus: So I left, because I actually decided that living things We're more interesting. I mean, you look at this planet, you got to be dead in your head to look around and look at the plants and the animals and the seasonal changes and the flowers and the, you know, and the people, you know, and, and the fish in the ocean and the waves on it, you know, and you got to look at all of this loving living stuff.
Udo Erasmus: And you got to be dead in your head to say, I'm not interested in that. I was like, to me, it was like nature. Oh my God. That's so [Page//00:11:00] incredible. It's all inspiring. So then I went in, so then I went into biology. Biology means study of life, right? And I wanted to know what life is. Biology means study of life.
Udo Erasmus: So I figured that's where I would learn about life. And I pictured we would have a beaker. You know, a glass beaker that was going to be half filled with something liquid and shining. And we would point at it and say, Hey, there's life. That's how I pictured it. I even talked to my lab partner about it. His eyes just glassed over.
Udo Erasmus: He didn't get it. You know, and what I realized, what I realized now is you don't learn about life in biology.
Julie Michelson: Or a lab.
Udo Erasmus: Or the lab. You learn about form and function. So maybe we started with a frog in one of our experiments. The frog was alive. By the time we were done, the frog was dead. We figured out that you can put electricity on a nerve and that'll make the muscle contract even when the animal is dead.
Udo Erasmus:[Page//00:12:00] But we didn't get a handle on life. Where did the, where did the frog life go? So I said to my lab partner, you know, we should study ourselves. Because we have form and function and life all together in the same place. And we don't have to kill ourselves to get to know it. Now, that was pretty, that was pre sync, pre synced.
Udo Erasmus: Sure. You know, because I didn't know that that, that would be a route I would take, ultimately, to try and figure out what is life, right? Then I got into psychology to study soul, because that's what psychology means. And in psychology, we learned about thoughts, beliefs, emotions, not about soul. Then I went into medicine.
Udo Erasmus: I wanted to know what health is, because we call it health care. So they must know what health is. So my first year, I'm, I'm only learning about disease. So I went to the dean and I said, I came here to study health. I haven't gotten to learn anything about health. Do we get it in later years? Or, so what is [Page//00:13:00] health?
Udo Erasmus: I said, what is, what is health? He says, we don't know. We're working on it. And I, I can tell you that was not an inspiring moment for me. Uh, that was huge disappointment. You should have seen my face. I can imagine. You would have seen the face of total disappointment. And then I, then we were told as a doctor, you should always sound as though you know what's going on even when you don't.
Udo Erasmus: So
Julie Michelson: it was really liar school.
Udo Erasmus: And that was the end. And that was the end of my medical career because on the farm where I grew up, we call that lying. Me too. And then by that, then I realized, you know what, I'm going to learn more about health in biological sciences. Because here you study normal functioning of normal creatures in normal situations.
Udo Erasmus: Then I'm going to learn in medicine where you focus on abnormal functioning of abnormal situations, in abnormal situations, of abnormal organisms, like sick people. Right. Right? Or, or sick [Page//00:14:00] animals if you're studying, if you're doing research on animals, on disease, right? So, so, and then you realize, okay, well, I'm going to learn more about health in biological science.
Udo Erasmus: Nobody calls it health. But you're actually studying health, normal function. And I got into biochemistry and genetics. And event, and then I thought, you know, I'm gonna, in genetics, you're in the control room, in the nucleus where all the genes are, and then things turn on the genes, and you watch the genes do their, make their proteins, and you should be able to get a pretty good understanding.
Udo Erasmus: But again, it wasn't about health. They're always only looked at the material life is an energy. They never looked at the energy, even the molecules that carry energy. They talked about those ATP, but they never looked at the energy that they're carrying. They looked at the molecules that carry the energy, but they didn't look at the energy they carry.
Udo Erasmus: And it was like, how frustrating for you. [Page//00:15:00] And what, and I didn't, but I didn't, I wasn't clear about that. If I'd have been clear about it. I think I'm, I'm, I think I might have stayed in school longer, but I, it's like there's something missing and I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it. Wherever I've looked at university, nobody shows you God in theology.
Udo Erasmus: I mean it goes on and on and on, right? All it is is talk. It's his talk, it's concept, it's theory, it's, it's words, it's explanations. They have a value. It's not that they don't have a value, but if you're like me coming out of a war and you want to know what is the truth, big T truth, right, that you can actually depend on.
Udo Erasmus: It's not, you're not going to find it at university. So then I left university and I diddled with psychedelics and I actually, I actually snitched a, uh, ampoule of, Sandoz LSD, the original stuff from the Swedish company [Page//00:16:00] Sandoz, and I worked in a neurological research lab and they had samples, so I helped myself because they weren't using it, they were just sitting there, they were sent these samples by Sandoz for free, and they weren't interested in anything to do with them.
Udo Erasmus: But they were neurological research, brain function. So Sandoz was basically sending samples to see if they could drum up some business. So they got, so I got a free sample and it took like a very, very small amount, 60 micrograms, 60 micrograms, like a little more than half of one little ampoule in a sugar cube.
Udo Erasmus: That's how we used to, you put it in a sugar cube and then you suck up the sugar cube. And I had an, I had an experience that was. I had asked somebody, you know, what is LSD like? Because in arts, I was in science, and they, the students in arts were experimenting with psychedelics. So I asked him, what is LSD like?
Udo Erasmus: And he just looked at [Page//00:17:00] me, and very kindly, it was beautiful. He said, if you haven't taken it, I can't explain it to you.
Julie Michelson: And if you
Udo Erasmus: have taken it, I don't need to explain it to you. And I was like, after I took this, this journey, What a, what a beautiful description. He didn't even try to explain it, but he, but he really laid it out.
Udo Erasmus: Right. So what happened is I'm rolling on the floor, laughing my head off, listening to Mozart music and laughing in time to the Mozart music and the tears are running down my face and it struck me as incredibly funny that all this studiousness that I had trying to figure it all out in the world That what I was looking for was within me the whole time.
Udo Erasmus: And I was always looking on the outside and I wasn't finding it. And so for me, that was a huge door opener. It literally melted my war [Page//00:18:00] baby world. And I realized, Oh my God, I could, there's a thousand ways I could live. Now I got to figure out how do I want to live, right? Because it doesn't tell you how you want to live.
Udo Erasmus: It just shows you the possibility. And then, um, and then I, then I stopped doing that because they're, eventually they get to be pretty hard on your body. And so I said, okay, I only get one body. I need to look after it. So I'm not doing any psychedelic. experiences. I did a few. Yeah. And, uh, I'm not doing any for two years just to give my chance my body a chance to, to basically recover.
Udo Erasmus: And I wasn't like really sick, but I could feel it was like It, it, it, it's hard on your nervous system, I think. Sure. So, and so, so what, what do I do in the meantime? Then I started thinking, I'm, by this time, I'm like six, 20, 26, 27. [Page//00:19:00] And I'm thinking, okay, well, who do I want to be now that I know I can be what I want to be?
Udo Erasmus: Who do I want to be? Where's a model? My parents were not my model. They were very shell shocked from the wars and all the crazy stuff they went through. So they were not my model. And I came to the conclusion that. Of what, of what I knew Socrates might have been a pretty good model, you know, cause I, when we read his dialogues, like there was, I liked, I loved how we use logic to break, bring you to the point where logic doesn't work anymore.
Udo Erasmus: And then you have to go into experience.
Julie Michelson: Yes.
Udo Erasmus: So that was one of them. The other one was Jesus,
Julie Michelson: you
Udo Erasmus: know, and kind of like, you know, whatever. There's lots of stories about what the translations were and whether such a guy actually ever existed. But to me, it was like, take it on face value. And I had one specific question, [Page//00:20:00] I want to feel what he felt that made him be able to live like he did talk like he did and do what he did, you know, as, as it's in the Bible.
Udo Erasmus: Right. So I got a red letter edition because I'm, I'm coming to the party 2000 years late. Right. Right. So I got a red letter edition because I wanted to focus on what the master was talking about. What was the guy that I think might be a pretty good model. Yeah. So what was he actually talking about? So you know, the red letter edition, it's a Bible.
Udo Erasmus: Everything Jesus says is in red ink and everything else in the Bible is in black ink. So that was a way to focus on what, on not the commentary of the disciples and not the, you know, not the other people, other with other experiences like Paul and all those guys. But it was like, okay, here, here are the words of the master.
Udo Erasmus: Well, the words need to be coming from [Page//00:21:00] something, you know, if you're a poet, you have to feel something to write a poem. Sure. If you write poems without feeling, you're They're really boring, and they don't touch anybody,
Julie Michelson: right?
Udo Erasmus: So he, so there's, there must have been feeling there, because his life was a form of poetry, you could say, right?
Udo Erasmus: Yes. So I'm going through the red letter edition, and then I would put little things he said to the test. Like one of the things he said, you know, he said, what you have done to one of the least of these, that you have done to me. So I didn't ask a preacher to interpret it for me. I said, well, what does that mean to me?
Udo Erasmus: Well, it sounds like to me that I'm in everyone. Oh, Jesus is saying I'm in everyone. Oh, interesting. If I'm in everyone. That really changes how, you know, I mean that in, in a way that includes me in the, in the picture. Sure, you too. [Page//00:22:00] Yeah. It's not like he's perfect and I'm, I'm really screwed up and I'm not in the picture unless whatever, whatever the formula is.
Udo Erasmus: Right. No, I just wanted to understand it and I wanted to experience what that was. You know, then he says, Yeah. Kingdom of heaven is within you, right? No, that's not complicated. Kingdom of heaven. God lives in the kingdom of heaven. So God must be in you too. And, you know, Christ is at the right hand of, you know, I don't know how you can be on the right hand or the left hand of infinity, but anyway, so he's there.
Udo Erasmus: So Christ must be there too. Right? And then Holy Spirit is just an outcome. I'll get to that in a, in a second. Right? And so, you know, so, and then he says, and then he says, in the things you do in your life, first seek the kingdom. And then he says, everything else will fall into place more or less. I, I'm paraphrasing, obviously.
Udo Erasmus: Right, right. But that's what it says. Okay. So, well, [Page//00:23:00] we don't do that. We do, we put it last, you know, we put it last, we, we kind of like, we do distractions and blame and uhhuh, you know, ignoring, denying and screwing around, you know, until we run out of distractions. And then we kind of put it last, and I did too.
Udo Erasmus: Right. Because by this time I'm 28. Right, right. And, and, but, but here's the thing. Even if you put it last, it still works.
Julie Michelson: But you
Udo Erasmus: save yourself a lot of pain if you put it first. So, so I, so I was doing these little experiments, putting what he says to the test, and I had some really magical experiences.
Udo Erasmus: Traveling around, you know, hitchhiking, and one, one year I just, I just wore a robe, no underwear, no shoes, no, no pack sack, no money. And I hitchhiked around the province that I, that I lived in.
Julie Michelson: And people picked you up in a
Udo Erasmus: It was like every town I went to, it seemed like there was somebody there waiting for me.[Page//00:24:00]
Julie Michelson: Mm hmm.
Udo Erasmus: Wow. And then I would, I would help them do what they did, and that got me room and board. So I didn't need any money.
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: Right? So, so it was really, it was pretty cool. And then this group of Christians came up the coast from California. They called themselves the Jesus People's Army. That should have been a warning to me because army is not a great word in my dictionary
Julie Michelson: Well, yeah.
Julie Michelson: Because I came
Udo Erasmus: out of a war, right? But I missed that cue. So I thought, you know, like, just like a, you know, I, I have a good imagination, you know, we're going to have this, the beaker filled with light and it's shining and it's life. Well, I thought here we are going to, we're going to all get together. We're all on the same path.
Udo Erasmus: We're all trying to figure it out. We were all doing experiments. We're all having experiences and we're going to get together and we're going to all share our experiences and we're all going to. Leave the evening enriched, right?
Julie Michelson: That's great.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah [Page//00:25:00] So I went to the coffee house and I sat down on a chair and this guy's immediately swooped in next to me and that should have been my second cue and I missed that one too because I had this idea Of what this is gonna be like, right?
Udo Erasmus: So I looked him in the eyes and I said to him it must be possible to see God and live Because when we were kids we were told if you see God if you look at God, he kills you Right. And I always had a problem with that. It's like, wait a minute. He loves me unconditionally. Why would he do that? Yeah, he created me.
Udo Erasmus: He keeps me alive. He created this whole incredible place where I live. He loves me unconditionally, keeps me breathing when I sleep, tells me when to go to the bathroom, right? Like, runs everything, and I don't get to look at him. What's, there's something wrong with that picture. And then, um, uh, yeah, so, so I had a, I had a [Page//00:26:00] problem with that.
Udo Erasmus: That can't be true. But this guy, when I told him that, I looked him in the eyes, it must be possible to see God and live. He jumped out of his chair and he was jumping around the room with his eyes flying around his head and screamed at the top of his lungs,
Julie Michelson: you're from the devil, you're from the Antichrist, get out!
Julie Michelson: Oh my goodness.
Udo Erasmus: Holy smokes. So I get slinking out of there.
Julie Michelson: Well, I think that was a blessing.
Udo Erasmus: Indeed, like the war was a gift, this was also a gift. You'll see why in a second. So I'm standing on the sidewalk, I say, well, I haven't seen God. Maybe I'm not supposed to ask that question. And by the way, we were also told there are certain questions you shouldn't ask.
Udo Erasmus: And of course, they never told us what those questions were. Because if they'd have told me what the questions were, I would have asked them. Right. Right? So, so here I am. I, I haven't, [Page//00:27:00] I, I haven't seen God. So, and I got really desperate and really confused. And with the desperation comes sincerity. And what was, what left It was just this incredible feeling of, I really want to know, I really, really, really.
Udo Erasmus: So what I did is I, I went to the beach, to a beach in the, outside the city to clear my head. Cause that's how it cleared my head when the city got too much for me. So I ended up on this beach, completely deserted. I was the only person there, but somebody had draped some plastic over logs and made a little dwelling.
Udo Erasmus: I said, okay, here's my hotel for the weekend. Go in there, fall asleep. In the middle of the night, I woke bolt upright from dead asleep. And there was a being made of light, just there. No labels, no [Page//00:28:00] words, just a being made of light. Couldn't tell if it was male or female. Couldn't tell if it was old or young.
Udo Erasmus: Didn't have any wings, so I figured it was not an angel. And this being embodied a message, a being made of light embodying a message. And I could put words to that embodiment, which was, I am come not to judge, but to love. I am come not to judge, but to love. All my confusion, desperation evaporated instantly.
Udo Erasmus: I have never had a question since then about what was the message of the Master to humanity. I am come not to judge, but to love. And then I started thinking, well, who was this? Cause it didn't have a label on its forehead, right? Or on its, or on its sleeve, right? No names. So was this Christ? [Page//00:29:00] Was this life?
Udo Erasmus: Was this soul? Was this spirit? And I came to the conclusion, they're actually all the same. They're all the same. So the message of the Master to humanity, I am come not to judge but to love, is also the message of life, your life, to your body. Because life, which is a solar energy fraction, you know, the sun shines in all directions, 15 million degrees, you know, the sun Celsius, pretty hot.
Udo Erasmus: You don't want to get too close and burn your toenails, right? So it shines in all directions. Some of that light is filtered through 93 million miles of space, and then through the Earth's atmosphere, and then through green plants, and the fraction of solar energy that remains is stored in bonds between atoms to [Page//00:30:00] make molecules.
Udo Erasmus: We eat those molecules. In our cells, those bonds get broken and that solar energy fraction is released. And that's our life. That's our life. And that life, energy, that solar fraction, loves the body unconditionally. It weighs nothing, runs everything. It is omnipresent in your body, so everywhere present. It is omnipotent or omnipotent.
Udo Erasmus: All powerful in your body and Omniscient everywhere present in your body. That's a definition of God, by the way, Omnipotent, Omniscient, right? So there you are. So solar energy is life energy, is God, is Christ. Oh my God, we are really connected. Oh my God, we're really, we're really connected, right? [Page//00:31:00] And then that energy that weighs nothing and runs everything, its nature is a flow of unconditional empowering love for your body.
Udo Erasmus: And it turns out, when you think about it, because if I say to you, Hey, Julie, whose body is that? What do you say?
Julie Michelson: If I'm not thinking, I say it's mine.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, that's, and most people aren't thinking, and that's what they say, right? Right. And that's what I would say, well, this is my body, but you know what?
Julie Michelson: It's like a rental space.
Udo Erasmus: It's actually true, it's actually true, it is your body. But what you're saying is you're not the body.
Julie Michelson: Right.
Udo Erasmus: You're saying you're the owner of the body. This is my body. I'm the owner of the body. I'm the owner of this body. Well, who am I as owner of this body? Then it's like, uh, uh, well, actually life owns your body.
Udo Erasmus: That [Page//00:32:00] solar energy fraction is the owner of your body. So that solar energy, though you call God or you call it Christ, or you call it, it's the master in the body. Or, you call it spirit, or you call it soul, is the owner of your body. So that means your individual essence is that energy. Oh my god, you know what else about that life energy?
Julie Michelson: What else?
Udo Erasmus: It's perfect health.
Julie Michelson: Ah.
Udo Erasmus: It never gets sick. It never dies. You can't kill something that has no form. Has no form. So there you are. So then when you say, okay, I'm sick. Actually, that's miss, that's misspeaking. Say, no, I'm not sick, just my body is. Because the body is subject to, to breakdown, right?
Udo Erasmus: Because it has form. Form is subject to breakdown. Well, the energy that, that runs it is not, is not subject to breakdown. So it's always [Page//00:33:00] perfectly healthy. And it's beyond death. Right. Because you can't just, you know, energy when it separates from the body, the body goes flat. Right.
Julie Michelson: Right.
Udo Erasmus: And then it gets recycled into the water, the air, the, the, the minerals that it was made from and the energy goes wherever energy goes.
Udo Erasmus: I mean, whether it dissipates or, you know, but it goes somewhere because you can't just,
Julie Michelson: Doesn't end. Yeah. Yeah. You
Udo Erasmus: can't unmake something that exists just like that. It just separates from the body. Right. And then if you listen to people with near death experiences, Right. You know, they become light and then they float around as little light orbs.
Udo Erasmus: And, you know, there's also kind of, I don't know what's going on, right. But those reports kind of are in line with. I am not the body, I am the energy, and death is not the end. And by the way, that was also the message of the Master. You know, every, the body, every body gets crucified eventually. [Page//00:34:00] Every inconception is immaculate.
Udo Erasmus: Every birth is lowly, because we are born as, uh, St. Augustine so, uh, so eloquently said, we are all born between the urine and the excrements, right? Which is true, right? Because the birth canal is in between those two, right? So that's lowly birth. Doesn't matter if you're a king or an emperor or the master himself.
Udo Erasmus: They all came from lowly birth. Not because they were donkeys in the in the place, but because because birth birth is a is a lowly experience. Now, that's not negative. Right. It's just a, it's just a fact. Right. And then eventually the body gets crucified by something. Could be a bullet. It could be old age.
Udo Erasmus: Could be falling off a chair. It could be, uh, it could be deficiency of something. Could be infection. But eventually the body gets crucified and death is not the end. So this, so [Page//00:35:00] that story that I came 2000 years too late to is actually the story of every human being. Right. In the present. At every time.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Only, only you live that story now, and whoever's listening or watching is living that story. And you can notice the parts of that story in your own life. Right? So what is, so, so what does that mean? These, the, the masters were teachers of human nature. You know, you don't, you don't learn about life and biology, and you can't take a course in human nature where you really get.
Udo Erasmus: Uh, you, where you really learn human nature because you can't be an academic on human nature. You have to, you have to be living in your space. So when you live in your space, then if you, and, and the way to do that is you have to spend some time with [Page//00:36:00] yourself. Voluntary solitude, right? Quiet place, safe place where you distract, where you, you leave your distractions outside and you bring your focus back in.
Udo Erasmus: Into the space your body occupies, what are you going to find there? Well, if you go to all the, to the core of it, you're going to end up feeling peace or pure awareness, feeling peace or pure awareness, or some people in quantum physics, they call it the field. What is that? No content, a container without dimensions, no inside, no outside dimensions.
Udo Erasmus: And in that peace, everything in the universe unfolds. The entire universe and your life unfolds in a container, in an infinite container of peace. When you feel that peace in the core of your being, because that's your axis,
Julie Michelson: then
Udo Erasmus: you can look around, oh yeah, the peace is not limited to my body. The peace [Page//00:37:00] is everywhere.
Udo Erasmus: I'm a center for it, and it goes out to infinity. Everybody is a center of that peace.
Julie Michelson: I love that.
Udo Erasmus: And that peace goes out to infinity. Everything takes place in peace. Even war takes place in peace. Peace. You know, we make decisions about what we put into that piece, and sometimes it's kind of stupid, but from a, from the, from the sanctity of life perspective, right?
Udo Erasmus: So within that piece is this flow of unconditional love. And there are people who say, well, actually, love is just a condensation of peace. So, so the field condenses into energy, that energy is, is the love. And when I feel that. I literally feel cared for when I don't I'm when I don't then I feel not cared for then I'm always looking What can I do that'll get me taken care of and we do a really a lot a lot of damaging [Page//00:38:00] destructive things on this planet in our quest for Finding on the outside The love that we can only connect to on the inside and that is already there and is waiting for us to connect
Julie Michelson: Oh, so beautiful.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Isn't that cool? And
Julie Michelson: I want to,
Udo Erasmus: I'm, I'm almost, I'm almost to inspiration, but go ahead.
Julie Michelson: Well, I just wanted to throw in, if people are like, why, you know, why are we talking about this? Um, because so often people go after healing, it's the doing and the doing and the doing. And the healing is in the being and that is why I was so excited to bring you in again for this conversation So i'll i'll give the mic back to you.
Julie Michelson: I just had to throw that in there In
Udo Erasmus: fact, in fact, if you look at a lot of disease Comes from us with our mind Interfering with the flow of the unconditional love that is our perfect [Page//00:39:00] health. Ah, yes Right? Yeah. And there are people who've actually find the places in the brain where some of these diseases begin.
Udo Erasmus: Yes. There's a group called the New German, the New German. New German
Julie Michelson: Medicine.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, New German Medicine, right? Yeah.
Julie Michelson: So they,
Udo Erasmus: so they contract diseases to where in the brain the, the, the, the conflict is. Where the interference with the unconditional love that is literally flowing through your entire body.
Udo Erasmus: But you can block it with your thoughts, you know, and you can say, you can be filled with love and, and at the same time that you're filled with love by nature, you can be saying, I'm no good. Yeah. Why am I screwed up? I don't know. You know, and people tell you that there's something wrong with you and then you buy it because you're not doing your homework and recognizing, no, I am unconditionally loved and I am unconditional love.
Julie Michelson: Yes.
Udo Erasmus: If I do my homework and [Page//00:40:00] spend time in stillness, voluntary solitude, bringing my focus inside where that love, where I am, that love. How cool is that? Right? So that's number two. Then number three, the shine of that unconditional love. into the world. I call it inspire. I call it inspired purpose. It's also positive mind.
Udo Erasmus: It's also visionary. It's also a contribution, a positive contribution, right? It's also called the Holy Spirit. So now you have the, the, the Trinity is all, all part of your nature, right? And there's your inspiration. And if you know how to get in touch with that unconditional love. You will be inspired and your purpose will be Because what happened to me [Page//00:41:00] when I go there and I do that every day when I go there I feel so cared for that.
Udo Erasmus: It's kind of like oh my god. It's not about me anymore I'm cared for
Julie Michelson: yourself
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, and if I don't feel cared for then I know where to go to feel cared for
Julie Michelson: right?
Udo Erasmus: I have a practice I know where to go and when I feel cared for well, it's not about me anymore What what do I what do I need to do Oh, where can I help?
Udo Erasmus: Where can I help? What needs to be done? How can I make the biggest splash for good that's possible in the time that I have? So it changes the orientation. Before, when I didn't feel cared for, it was all like, What can I do to get me taken care of? And now it's like, Okay, I'm good. Where can I help? And it just makes my life so simple.
Udo Erasmus: Because what I can do to help shows up every day. I go for a walk and somebody's turning the map upside down because they're a [Page//00:42:00] tourist and they don't know where they're going. I see it and I say, where are you trying to go? Right? It's that simple. It's really simple stuff.
Julie Michelson: Sometimes it's just a smile for someone you can tell needs a smile.
Julie Michelson: Yeah,
Udo Erasmus: or a joke and everybody starts laughing, right?
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: Anything that raises the energy, that raises the quality of life. www. larryweaver. com Because, we're, we're God children, we're children of the universe. And we're supposedly living in peace and love and inspiration 24 7, right? But what happens, why, why we, why we're not doing that, is because there was a time when we lived like that in our mother's womb.
Udo Erasmus: I call it the, I call it the Buddha tank. The word sounds good, you know, if you call it the Christ, if you call it the Christ tank, you know, that's like a, that's like the, the Buddha tank. No, that doesn't work, right? [Page//00:43:00]
Julie Michelson: You're living
Udo Erasmus: in the Buddha tank, right? So your sperm was alive, and the egg was alive, and they got together, and the zygote, the fertilized egg, the zygote is alive, and it implants, and then a tank gets built around it, it's called a womb, right?
Udo Erasmus: Filled with water, and you're literally on a cord, right? Floating in the water, nothing to do, nowhere to go, but just be everything taken care of and pretty safe. Yeah. And so what, so where is your focus? Well, the focus had no place to go. So your focus is at rest in its source inside in life, in awareness.
Udo Erasmus: So you're hanging out and you're literally in a nine month meditation. If you're a full term baby, you're in nine months of continuous. Meditation [Page//00:44:00] you're a master in that place. Yeah, you're in mastery, right? And so that goes on and it's like, you know, if you think about it, you know That's got to be the boringest bloody place you could ever be To spend nine months doing nothing because we're so addicted to doing things.
Udo Erasmus: So oh my god, that's amazing How did you possibly how could you possibly stand being so bored for nine months without interruption? No, you're not bored. No, you're in light. You're in bliss You're in peace, you know, sometimes you see fetal fetus pictures, you know, and there's a little smile on their face Yes, you know and you're just like hanging out and the body's being built life is building the body You're not building the body life is building it and life is using your mother to bring you in Your mother is not making you right Life is using your mother life is Making your mother and life is using your mother to bring you [Page//00:45:00] in And you belong to life more than you belong to your mother And your mother helps on the outside and it's, it's a noble, it's a noble, um, uh, I just can't call it a profession.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. It's a, it's really a partnership. It's a noble endeavor.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Oh yeah.
Udo Erasmus: But, but the most important part of the child is inside it, right? Because that's how it grows. You know, you can feed it, but you can't grow it. Right. Right. You know, you can put a blankie on it, but you don't make it grow. Right. You know, you can put it in bed and turn out the lights, but you don't make it sleep.
Udo Erasmus: Right. So do
Julie Michelson: I know
Udo Erasmus: that? So how have you been there done that? So so we can help and make it comfortable on the outside unless we take our kids into the war zone. Right. But so we can we can help on the outside and make it more comfortable. [Page//00:46:00] But life is doing the job and the life is doing the job for eight billion people.
Udo Erasmus: And life is the leader. Is the true leader of humanity and every human being has access to the same leader in their own space to give them advice about how to live in their space instead of running to experts who are usually half baked, right? Right? Why don't you ask life how to live? Because life knows everything about you, and life knows, life is the thing that, that runs the planet, right?
Udo Erasmus: Not some guy in Ottawa, or some guy in DC, or some guy in Buenos Aires, or
Julie Michelson: Right.
Udo Erasmus: That's just like, that's a sham.
Julie Michelson: So where, where does one start it back to this voluntary, voluntary solitude, right? What, how does that look [Page//00:47:00] for somebody who hasn't had a practice or maybe isn't feeling inspired or in touch with purpose?
Udo Erasmus: Well, thanks for putting me back on track because there's one more story I need to tell. Okay. So you were in this perfect place in the mother's womb, and then one day you got kicked out of it. It's true. And everything changed, right? So in there, you were, you, you're, you're, your focus was present inside, absent outside.
Udo Erasmus: You didn't even know there was a mother around you when you were in there. You didn't know there was a world around the mother, right? You know, you didn't have any words. You didn't have to use the bathroom. You didn't have to eat because it was all provided through the umbilical cord, right? And you didn't even need to breathe.
Udo Erasmus: So you were literally
Udo Erasmus: You know, how can, how still can you get, if you don't need to breathe, you can get really still. Right. [Page//00:48:00] So, so then you got, then you got booted out and now everything changed. Now you had to cry for your breast milk and you had to cry for your blankie and you had to cry for keeping warm and for touch and for all the, the simple basic needs for liquid, for food, for diaper change, you know, and you had to get to know the world because now you're vulnerable.
Udo Erasmus: Because you live in a world where things change. And some things, some changes are not beneficial. And some things are. So you have to learn, get to know the world. And you have to, your, your focus goes from inside present, outside absent. To more and more outside present through your senses. Because your senses are attracted to change.
Udo Erasmus: Because every time something changes, you got to say, well, is this friend? Or is this faux or is this irrelevant and you have to do that very quickly because you're just survival depends on it [Page//00:49:00] And so we get really good at and every day we go out go out go out. You hear a sound Oh, what's that? You you know, the door opens.
Udo Erasmus: I give a lecture 3 000 people, right?
Julie Michelson: Yeah, and
Udo Erasmus: the side door opens and somebody comes in late I lose my entire audience to the door that's moving and a person coming through sure because we're attracted to change so automatically Yeah. Right? So older you get, more you spend your sight, your, your, your focus outside and less inside.
Udo Erasmus: And with that disconnection from the inner. Peace, love, and inspiration, with the disconnection from that comes discontent, something's missing, you lost something, you lost yourself, you lost your connection to yourself. Then you try to find it outside by who you marry, or how much money you make, or what kind of job you do, or what kind of adventure you [Page//00:50:00] have, or what kind of power you can get, or whatever it is that you're chasing on the outside.
Udo Erasmus: There's always the hope that when you're successful, you will feel whole again. Because nobody tells you that, that you're, you are feeling unwhole and you being driven is a discontent that comes from a disconnection of yourself.
Julie Michelson: Right.
Udo Erasmus: Yes. Nobody tells you that. So then you, you look for it and you, and, uh, you know, and I talked to a guy who was a billionaire.
Udo Erasmus: He had an airport named after it. And I said to him when I, he, he wanted to meet me cause he read my book, fats and oils, fats that heal, fats that kill. And in the last chapter, I talk more about this kind of stuff, but it's just like short because it's a book on oils. Right. He said, I was reading between the lines and I said, I wanted to talk to you because there's something there.
Udo Erasmus: And I, I want to talk to you about what that is. So I said, well, let me tell you how your life goes. You, you, you, you come up with a scheme, [Page//00:51:00] like building an airport, right? And then you spend 20 days, 20 years. Busting your butt getting together all the people and all the Material and all the plans and all of those things that you have to do to create an airport And there's a hope as you're doing that when you start when you decide.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, i'll take this on There's always the hope that when i'm successful I'll feel whole.
Julie Michelson: Yeah, i'll be happy Yeah,
Udo Erasmus: yeah, and then you're successful and then you get three days where you go. Yeah, I did it. I did it And on the fourth day you're depressed He said, well, he said, I, well, I wouldn't call it depressed.
Udo Erasmus: I'd call it let down. Yeah. Okay. Depressed.
Julie Michelson: That's what depression is.
Udo Erasmus: Right. But you're not inspired because you can't be inspired and depressed at the same time. Right. So he said, yeah, he said, that's exactly it. Yeah. And then what you do is you say, well, I didn't think big enough. Or I didn't think in the right direction.
Udo Erasmus: So then you come [Page//00:52:00] up with another possibility and you say, well, if I'm successful with that, then I'll feel all again. Right. And he looked at me and he said, that's exactly how my life has gone. And so I said, so here's what you're missing. What you're missing is that when you're, when you feel let down, when your heart aches, heartache is the result of your disconnection from yourself by your focus going out into the world.
Udo Erasmus: and moving away from where your wholeness already lives, right? And you don't know that, and because you don't know that, you're looking for, on the outside, for something you can only find on the inside. You know, if you look at these multi multi billionaires, Have you noticed they're just as petty as, just as petty as the poor people?
Julie Michelson: Oh gosh, if not more so.
Udo Erasmus: So, so the poor people think if I had, if I had rich people's [Page//00:53:00] money, I'd be happy. But then you look at the rich people who have that money and they're not happy. No. No, why is that? Because happiness is a state of being within you, and you have to bring your focus to it in order to be happy.
Udo Erasmus: And it doesn't require you to do anything. That's it. You know happiness. There's a happiness that's a result of something and that's a temporary happiness, right? There is a permanent happiness That is a state of being that you can go to any time you want if you know how to bring your focus there So to go back to your question,
Julie Michelson: yes
Udo Erasmus: Learn
Julie Michelson: to bring our focus there.
Udo Erasmus: You got it. You got a you got a You got to make friends with heartache Ah, see and what what do we you know, when do we have heartache? There's hundreds of triggers for heartache You know girlfriend dumps me. I didn't want to get dumped Heartache and you always feel it uneasy feeling in your chest Uncomfortable painful [Page//00:54:00] maybe makes you cry, you know Um, it can be pretty intense, you know If uh, if I made a made an agreement with somebody and the person breaks the agreement Heartache, right?
Udo Erasmus: If my grandmother died and I was close to her, heartache. If my dad dies, even if I wasn't close to him, heartache, right? So there are so many triggers for heartache, but the trigger of heartache is not the cause. The cause is your natural, normal, necessary disconnection from yourself. To get to know the world for survival, for the temporary survival.
Udo Erasmus: So if heartache and heartache is a huge gift, it's actually the greatest gift you've been given other than being alive, by the way, there's no auto immune diseases in either, in either peace or health. Or love or inspiration, because [Page//00:55:00] autoimmune isn't, is a, is a physical, sometimes mental phenomenon. Not, and, and, and your thoughts and your body can't go into the peace.
Udo Erasmus: The peace is in your body, but your body is not peace, right? So something unpeaceable is evolving in peace. Anyway, so, so, um, yeah, so, so you, you make friends with heartache. How do you do that? Well, you don't have to look for heartache. You don't, you don't have to go, Oh, let me go and create some heartache.
Udo Erasmus: There's enough. No, you get enough. You get enough. It's a normal part of you. Things end. You know, you put you, you hopes that something doesn't end, which ends heartache. You have an expectation. The expectation gets blown heartache, right?
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: So when you have heartache. Remember, it's your friend and sit with [Page//00:56:00] it.
Udo Erasmus: Be with it. Don't judge it. Just feel it. Might be tears. It won't kill you. So you sit with heartache. And the reason you want to sit with heartache is because that's your door to, to wholeness. Because heartache in its essence, Is your life calling your focus to come back home inside to where all the goodies are, right?
Udo Erasmus: Absolutely. So you sit with it. And so heartache, why is heartache such a gift? Well, number one, it grounds you, makes you simple, gets you out of your head, because it puts your focus here, not here. Okay, so heartache makes you simple. Well, that's a good thing. Getting out of your head is a good thing.
Udo Erasmus: Especially when you're overactive and overwhelmed and anxious and tripping on what ifs and you're depressed because I'm not good enough. Or let
Julie Michelson: down. Oh yeah, let down. [Page//00:57:00]
Udo Erasmus: So, So that's the first part. It makes you simple. It grounds you. Second is your drive. It's your driving force for everything you do.
Udo Erasmus: Heartache is the driving force. Only you don't call it heartache. You call it some other name based on what triggered it. You know, restlessness, emptiness, striving, yearning, hoping, wishing, You know, this all, like, because, you know, if you're, if you're whole, you don't need, you don't need to have any wishes, right?
Udo Erasmus: So
Julie Michelson: wait, so you can be whole and not done all at the same time? Of course, no, of course, of course,
Udo Erasmus: of course, no, but that's, that's actually a really good question because when you're whole, you're no longer compelled and driven. Then you, then you get to choose how you help. Yes. And now you're, and now you're actually free because you're in choice.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah, you're not free when you're not whole. [Page//00:58:00] Right. You know, it's all the idea about freedom. Well, freedom, freedom is only possible in wholeness because then you're free to be what you are and you're free to do what comes out of your being, which is always based on peace, love, and inspiration. Holy smokes.
Udo Erasmus: That's so cool, right?
Julie Michelson: How you can be free even in a, in a war?
Udo Erasmus: I was in jail. I was in jail and I felt free. Yeah. Because I didn't think about the bars. Right. I thought, I felt, I felt the heart. Yeah. Once you
Julie Michelson: know how
Udo Erasmus: to go there, it doesn't matter what goes on in the world, you can actually be the light in your own darkness.
Udo Erasmus: How cool is that? Perfect. So now this third thing is, It's your call to come home. If it wasn't for heartache calling you home, you know, your, your focus would get lost in the world and wander around aimlessly, and you would never find your way back home. [Page//00:59:00] Heartache calls you home. How important is that?
Udo Erasmus: That's like thirst for water and hunger for food, right? And full bladder for going to pee and tired for sleeping.
Julie Michelson: If you never
Udo Erasmus: got tired, you'd never sleep and you'd burn out. Right. I don't know what would happen if you never, you know, Felt the need to pee.
Julie Michelson: It would not be good.
Udo Erasmus: It would not be good for
Julie Michelson: sure.
Udo Erasmus: So, so it's, so it's the cause, so, so the thirst, sometimes some people call it the thirst of the heart to feel fulfilled. Heartache is the thirst of the heart to feel fulfilled. That's not, that's a pretty good description. Okay, what else? It's your starting point for the journey. If you have no starting point, you don't have a journey.
Udo Erasmus: Right a starting point and you need a you need an end point The starting point is heartache and the end point is peace or love or inspiration Right. So it's your starting point for the journey and you can't, you know, if you won't put your feet in the [Page//01:00:00] starting blocks, you're not going to win the race.
Udo Erasmus: Right. Right. So every journey has to have a starting point. That's the starting point. And then the last one is, If you've gone to the starting point, and you're sitting with it, and you stay with it, and you find that less than a hair's breadth behind your heartache is your wholeness. So you literally, from the heartache, you're almost there.
Udo Erasmus: You're almost there. And you might go through a little bit of boredom, but boredom is very peaceful. And boredom, you only feel bored and think it's negative because you're addicted to doing so much stuff. Right. So not just, just get, it's okay not to do anything. Right. In fact, if you want to fix the planet, do less, right, do less, be more, be more, have a, have a, you know, raise the, raise the vibration and then live into the world in a, in a, in a quieter, peaceful, more beautiful way.
Udo Erasmus: Right. It's like not complicated. And then last one, if you've taken the journey home, then [Page//01:01:00] you're going to become complacent because you feel so good. And then you're going to drift again. And then the heartache will come back to call you home again. Sure. So it's the reminder that you need. And, and one more thing, you know, going out through your senses into the world as a kid.
Udo Erasmus: To, for survival is automatic. Coming home has to be deliberate. Ah, I love that. Your senses will always take you out. You will have to then make a decision that you want to cultivate what's within you and then commit to doing that. And whether that's five day, five, five minutes a day or ten minutes a day, I like to do an hour, an hour and a half.
Udo Erasmus: I'm. Yeah. I've gotten better at it, and it becomes, it's hard at first because we're not used to it.
Julie Michelson: It's foreign. Just like, just like you
Udo Erasmus: had to learn how to walk and you fell on your schnoz a whole bunch of times. Yep. Right? But finally you did. You never gave up. Yeah. You need to [Page//01:02:00] be like that with this as well.
Udo Erasmus: Never give up. And yeah, if you don't, you know, and I have, I've had times when I do my, call it self knowledge practice. Uh huh. Stillness practice. And I get up after and said, I never felt anything.
Julie Michelson: Wow.
Udo Erasmus: What a waste of time. I never felt anything. But you know what? I noticed that my day goes better.
Julie Michelson: Yes.
Udo Erasmus: Because I did take the time to be quiet.
Julie Michelson: And it's an exercise. Yeah. It's a, it's a discipline. And so for the, that, that doing mindset, you know, doing, being, sitting, is actually an
Udo Erasmus: exercise and it,
Julie Michelson: it does
Udo Erasmus: impact. Yeah. It's a discipline and you get better as you do it more, and I, I'm to the point where I look forward to doing it.
Udo Erasmus: I've been doing it now for over 50 years.
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: I started when I was 30, I'm 82, so 52 years.
Julie Michelson: I love, my favorite is that you said, you know, it can be five minutes a day. Like, no, I don't, don't try to start [Page//01:03:00] with Udo's practice. Like don't try, don't, you can't, well, you
Udo Erasmus: can if you want to.
Julie Michelson: Well, but I have people I hear it all the time.
Julie Michelson: Oh, I tried and I can't you know, then they they're not successful That's the coach in me Started and builds right? Yeah, but
Udo Erasmus: yeah, and and and the the thing is that people talk themselves out of it, right? You know, just like I say, well, I I practiced and I never felt anything But then I paid attention and actually my day went better, right?
Udo Erasmus: Oh, yeah Wow, so something happened in that time that I didn't notice You Right? I basically what happens is you become calmer and you become more settled and you become more solid and you become more anchored In your being and you and you're a little more peaceful, but sometimes you don't notice right, but it still shows up in the world It does and people and people notice it I walked across a gym floor one time in a meeting and somebody came running after me and said hey What is it you have?
Udo Erasmus: So what do you mean? I wasn't [Page//01:04:00] thinking about, I wasn't like being very conscious. I was just walking. So he said, what do you mean? Well, you have something and I want that. Oh, I know what you, yeah. And then I started talking to him about the practice that I do. That's what he was looking for.
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: But he saw it.
Udo Erasmus: I mean, I didn't even see it in myself and he saw it. Right.
Julie Michelson: Right. Because people can feel it. It's, it's energy. So people can feel it.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Where your focus goes, shows up. Yes. If you're in peace. You know, you live into a world that's filled with peace because you see the peace. Yes. If you can't see peace in the world, it means you're not, peace in you is not doing the looking.
Udo Erasmus: Right. Right? And then if you, if you see peace, that's very different than if you're angry, because if you're angry, you'll see enemies in the world. Sure. And if there aren't any there, you'll create them.
Julie Michelson: That's why, you know, gratitude practice or, and any of these practices.
Udo Erasmus: Right. Yeah. Right. And if you're fearful, you're going to see enemies.
Udo Erasmus: Sure. You're going to see, uh, you're going to see [Page//01:05:00] danger everywhere.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. And
Udo Erasmus: then you're going to live into the world as though it was dangerous, and you'll, you'll be afraid of things that aren't dangerous. Yeah. You're creating that with your own mindset, with your own state of being. So if in a state of peace, you see the world for what it is, because you're not elaborating, you're not embellishing, you're not imagining, you're not fantasizing, you're not, you're Right.
Udo Erasmus: You're feeling it. You're in it. There's no mental content in peace because it's a state of being not an emotional state in emotional states. They all have mental content. And then you're, if you're in that state of being, wow, you know, it's amazing. Then you see where all the pieces. Oh, my God. I mean, you know, what, what?
Udo Erasmus: Oh, my God. Somebody said to me this morning. Can you, or yesterday, I guess. Uh, uh, yeah. One question I always ask the people I do my interviews with at the end. Is, uh, say something you're grateful for. Yes. So I said to her, do you have 82 years to listen? [Page//01:06:00] Because honestly, from this perspective. Sure. Oh my God.
Udo Erasmus: The fact that I can talk to you wherever you are. Right. We can have this conversation. It's
Julie Michelson: And inspire people. Oh my god, you know,
Udo Erasmus: and then you talk about the technology that makes it possible. Oh my god, then you got the lighting so that I sort of look lit, right? And then you have all the stuff on the walls and whoever made the glass, I don't know who invented glass, but oh my god, I'm the beneficiary of being able to see the trees outside, right?
Julie Michelson: Yeah.
Udo Erasmus: And I'm not even outside of my house yet for the gratitude, right? Right, right. I'm breathing. I have a bathroom, you know, I, I have some supplements that I take, you know, it's like some good oil among other things and enzymes and probiotics and, you know, and, and then I'm not even out of the house yet.
Udo Erasmus: And then I go outside, Oh my God, the grass is making oxygen for me. You know, so with every in breath, I can say, thank you. And then without it, without every outbreath, I'm making carbon [Page//01:07:00] dioxide for the grass. Yeah. So then it's like, thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. Right. Well, and I love that
Julie Michelson: you said it, but it's, it is true that where your attention goes, energy flows.
Julie Michelson: Oh, sure. And so, you know, yeah. Why wouldn't we create the practice? To have this be the experience of life.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Well, the question is, what is, what do you want, what do you want the, your, the quality of your life to look like? Yeah. If you, if you, if you, you know, I'm going to be crude, you know, if you want your quality of life to be shit and build a tent next to a sewer, right, right.
Udo Erasmus: If you, if you want, if you want your life to be filled with peace and love. Then be present in the space your body occupies, because that's where it is.
Julie Michelson: Ah, I love it. On that note.
Udo Erasmus: And there's more of that in you for you than you're ever going to get from anything outside. Absolutely. And that's why, that's why the masters [Page//01:08:00] who were really smart.
Udo Erasmus: said, kingdom of heaven is within you, first seek the kingdom and make that a practice. And then everything else will, everything else will be okay. My day is good. My day is good. Just because I'm good. Right. Right. I, you know, even if all the politics is crazy, there's nothing crazy in here. There's nothing crazy in here.
Udo Erasmus: My head might be crazy. There's nothing crazy in my heart. Right. My body might, might have pain somewhere. There's no pain in in my life energy, right? Yes, and so I literally get to be the light in in my world the light in my darkness What if eight billion people were the light in their space?
Julie Michelson: Imagine how the world would be
Udo Erasmus: it would it would it would be and we're and honestly we're wired for that.
Udo Erasmus: So We're now to the point where we're either going to destroy ourselves or we're going to do we're going to figure
Julie Michelson: it out
Udo Erasmus: Or we're going to do our homework.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Yeah,
Udo Erasmus: I [Page//01:09:00] love it. Yes It's like it's like yeah, we live in an incredible time and I get to do this comes out of my experiences How I got there, right?
Udo Erasmus: Everybody has experiences. The hunger is already in every human being Yeah, the heartache is already there going to the heartache just behind it Just a little deeper than that is your magnificence
Julie Michelson: Uh, so beautiful, Udo, uh, see, and the beauty is somebody who's 20 can listen to this and get the value of your 82 years of experience and, and just your, your heart so we can feel your heart.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. I think you already answered this, but I'm going to give you the opportunity to answer it again. Okay. What is one step listeners can take starting today to improve their health, their life, their.
Udo Erasmus: Well, you know what? Most people are not, are not satisfied with one step, so I came up with four.
Julie Michelson: Of course you did.
Udo Erasmus: Uh, one of [Page//01:10:00] them is first. Make friends with your heartache. Second, take time to be as still as possible every day. And I do it in this way. It's kind of like, okay, how still can I become? It's kind of like a game in a way, like little kids can play that, right? Play, you play in hide and seek and you didn't get, you didn't get well hid.
Udo Erasmus: You have to be really quiet because if you, if you, if you cough, You're gonna, gonna be attacked, right? How still can I be? And then how deep can I go into that stillness? And then how long can I hang out there? And how lightly and calmly and evenly can I breathe? And when I do that, what shows up in the space my body occupies?[Page//01:11:00]
Udo Erasmus: So that's a, that's stillness practice. I just made it up.
Julie Michelson: I love it.
Udo Erasmus: Or you can, or you can go to a teacher and he'll show you some techniques. You know, I, I, I've used techniques, um, I, the techniques I used to called self knowledge and the guy who came up with this techniques or who taught me the techniques, he wrote a book called hear yourself, hear yourself, how to find peace in a noisy world.
Udo Erasmus: His name is, his name is Prem Rohit. The book is on Amazon. I always
Julie Michelson: say it's whatever practice resonates with you that can get you started is, is, Exactly the one , so, yeah.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. And sometimes it's nice to spend time with people who are doing a practice because you then you get a contact hive.
Julie Michelson: Yeah. Right.
Udo Erasmus: Because 'cause, 'cause it, it radiates good energy.
Julie Michelson: Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Udo Erasmus:[Page//01:12:00] Third one was get present to being present love that get present to being present. And the four oh oh no in the space, oh, sorry. Get present to being present in the space your body occupies. So that was the third one. And maybe every once in a while, when you think you're really stupid and, and ugly and, and not good enough, then remind yourself, I am light and I am love in my essential being
Julie Michelson: beautiful.
Julie Michelson: So, um, and how, how could any, how could that not be healing? I mean, I'm
Udo Erasmus: trying to make it, I'm trying to make it, uh, impossible to be destructive.
Julie Michelson: Right. Thank you. I think, I think you did an amazing job. So, so grateful for your time, Udo. You, again, have given us so much gold, but beyond that, your light [Page//01:13:00] shines through.
Udo Erasmus: Yeah. Well, I hope, I hope, I hope I infect 8 billion people.
Julie Michelson: I do too.
Udo Erasmus: Yes. And I need your help to do that.
Julie Michelson: Well, I am grateful for you
Udo Erasmus: and thank you for doing that.
Julie Michelson: I thank you. And for everyone listening, remember you can get those transcripts and show notes by visiting inspired living. show. I hope you had an amazing time and just enjoyed yourself and learned as much as I did.
Julie Michelson: I'll see you next week.
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