Julie Michelson: [Page//00:00:00] Welcome back to the inspired living with autoimmunity podcast. I'm your host, Julie Michelson. And today we're joined by Lisa Goldberg, nutritionist and weight loss coach, and also the author of Food Fight: Winning The Battle With Food And Eating To Achieve Sustainable Weight Loss. 

In today's conversation we're focusing on identifying and shifting your mindset to create new patterns to [Page//00:01:00] sustain lifelong change. Even if you don't have extra weight to lose, listen in to learn about how we can shift the patterns that may be holding us back. 

Lisa, welcome to the podcast.

Lisa Goldberg: Well, thank you. I'm so excited to be here and have this conversation with you today.

Julie Michelson: I am beyond excited for our conversation. But I always love mostly because I'm curious, I love to find out a little bit about your story. Because. I always find it fascinating where life takes us. And so how did you become focused on this and, and create this approach that I'm guessing when you started was a different kind of approach?

Lisa Goldberg: Oh, yeah, 100%. So my story started really as a freshman in college, as did so many women's stories start and their struggle with their weight. So, you know, got up to school. And what does any young freshman do is you go out too much. And also eating at two o'clock in the morning after you get [Page//00:02:00] in was all new to me and sitting in the dining hall for hours and thinking granola was healthy was new to me. 

And they had my kryptonite, right, which was brownies, and I can have as many as I wanted. So therefore I did. And it was just a whole different way of eating. And truthfully, in two months of being up at school, I literally gained like the 15 to 20 pounds. , 

I remember getting off the plane for Thanksgiving and my mom picking me up and I, you know, and she couldn't help herself. She literally looked at me because I wasn't the kid that she dropped off and she was like, what the hell happened to you? 

Right? Cause I looked completely different and, you know, that's kind of where it all started for me. So right then and there, I was Down in Florida with my parents for Thanksgiving, and I went on a diet, I mean, I ate no bread, I ate no butter, all of my salads had lemons, fresh squeezed lemon, all of my chicken and my fish was grilled plain, right, and so, and it was just kind of like, that's where I started to diet and eating that way.

Did I lose the weight? I sure did. But then of [Page//00:03:00] course, when I got back to school, I went right back into what I was doing. So the weight came back and then I discovered the Cambridge diet, right? The powder in the can. And, you know, so needless to say, I spent about 10 years yo yo dieting and Wallace. By the end of my career at school as a senior, I had lost the weight.

Then I moved into Manhattan, had two roommates, and a different cycle started again, right? Being out every night, eating too much, eating late at night. Every Sunday was Chinese food and, you know, Haagen Dazs, and every Monday was the diet. So, you know, for me, it kind of went on for about 10 years. And quite honestly, I thought about majoring in nutrition while I was at Syracuse, but I was a, you know, liberal arts major and my roommate was a, uh, studying to be a nutritionist and like organic chemistry, biochemistry, and I'll just major, I'll just major in something else. So long story short, ultimately, I spent [Page//00:04:00] eight years, in a completely different industry and, over those years just gained and lost the same amount of weight. Became a personal trainer and while I was a personal trainer, decided to go back for my master's degree in nutrition.

And, you know, when you go for, and you get masters, you learn about protein, fat, carbs, and calories. So when I first started coaching or counseling my clients, um, It was really about the diet, right? And protein fats and carbs and calories. But what I noticed, and here's the thing, what I noticed, almost every single one of my clients, men and women, would ask me at the end, well, what can I have after dinner?

And I was like, but you just ate dinner. How is it that you're hungry? Right. Why do you need

Julie Michelson: missing from dinner that you

Lisa Goldberg: I wasn't really fully understanding. Like, why do you need something more? But so many people ask me that same question that I'm like, there's something here. And that's when I decided to explore mindful eating, emotional eating.

. I'd really started to take my work in a [Page//00:05:00] different direction. And what I recognized is so many people knew how to lose weight, but they all lost it in a way that was not sustainable for the long run. So I finally decided that I was going to teach because I kind of learned it for myself. Right, how to create the balance.

So I lost those 20 pounds probably Somewhere around 29 or 30 and I'm now 59. So I lost those pounds for the last time and I've kept it off Because it's my way of thinking because here's the thing I never forget how miserable I felt In my clothes, in my body, not going out with my roommates because I just felt terrible.

And I was just like, it put me in such a bad mood that it was not worth even going out. So I stay connected to that. And that's a lot of what I teach my clients when I work with them. To not disconnect from where they were, but also to teach them [Page//00:06:00] how to eat in the life that they live without the restriction and the deprivation.

Because I believe how you eat to lose the weight is how you have to stay eating to keep the weight off. So if you're somebody who thinks about keto or intimate fasting or paleo or whatever it is. If you can't do that for the rest of your life, my suggestion is to find a way or a way of being around food and eating where you could lose the weight, you don't feel restricted and deprived, and you can.

And a lot of that is about changing how you think. So you can change because your, your behaviors will always follow your thoughts. Right. Your actions, follow your thoughts. Everything you do starts with a thought. And most of the people that I work with have what I call the dieters mentality or the dieters mindset.

They have a very black and white way of thinking [Page//00:07:00] that keeps them yo yo dieting, right? That keeps the perpetual losing the weight, regaining the weight. And so what I mean by that is I was good today. So therefore I get to treat myself to X or I blew it earlier. So I may as well

Julie Michelson: as well. Yeah. Yeah.

Lisa Goldberg: Or you step on the scale and it doesn't do exactly what you expected it to do.

And the voice in your head says, what's the use? What's the point? Exactly. Why?

Julie Michelson: Do you find I'm totally pulling this out of just my experience with my clients is some of that by that, not some of it, all of it. Um, but it, it took me a long time to recognize that thinking pattern. Is a perfectionism, like if we can and I like the black and white, right? If we can start to live in the gray, because [Page//00:08:00] my, my almost all of my clients are in some way, shape or form perfectionist is how they got sick to begin with.

And that is exactly it. Like, if I already blew it, it's why bother? It's always all or nothing. We can't live. All or nothing. In any, it's not just diet. Any of it. It's the same, you know, all the things, right, that the things that are going to keep us well and, and really living a full life. We can't be all or nothing.

And so I love that you say that.

Lisa Goldberg: the truth is there's no such thing as perfect. What is perfect? What does perfect look like? I mean, there's really no perfect and to expect yourself to eat perfectly. I mean, what does that even mean? If you think about it? Right? So, and what's so crazy if you think, because I always say the crazy happens in your head.

So let's just say for those who are listening, and this is resonating with you, your goal is to lose some weight. And, you know, you start off your day with an expectation of what, uh, what you're eating [Page//00:09:00] is supposed to look like. And then later in the day, you have a cookie. Right. And you do think I blew it.

So instead of just eating one or two cookies, you've eaten the whole bag of cookies. That doesn't even make sense. So is eating one or two hundred extra calories as bad as maybe a thousand extra calories because you've eaten the whole bag? So, so here's the thing about that perfectionist way of thinking, the dieter's mindset.

It's illogical. It's illogical. It makes no sense. And what's so interesting is, as I'm coaching with the client, when they're telling me what they're thinking, they usually preface it with, I know this sounds ridiculous, but, because now the thought is coming out and they're hearing it with their own ears.

And I think that the reason why so many women get so frustrated and they blame themselves is because they ignore the inner lowing, that higher intelligence that they have, because if they hear the thoughts in their head, When it's in their head, it makes complete [Page//00:10:00] sense somehow,

Julie Michelson: It's very convincing. Yeah. Or they don't even, I mean, I, to me, what comes even before that is they don't hear it. They're not even conscious of it, these patterns and drivers. Um, and for some reason, at least in the beginning of the work, the voice is never getting, it's never a supportive voice telling you to make the right decision for yourself.

Lisa Goldberg: I call, I call that the rabbit hole voice. So I, when I, when I do my coaching, it's the rabbit hole voice and the logical voice. So the rabbit hole voice is the voice that, you know, convinces you to do all the things that you know better. Your logical voice is always in there saying, are you sure you want to do that?

But you do it anyway. Until you power up your logical voice. I'm going to give you an example. So I was coaching with a client yesterday and I'm teaching her to raise the volume on listening. To those self sabotage thoughts on that rapid whole voice. So she was with a friend on a [Page//00:11:00] golf course and she told her friend, you know what, I'm good.

I'm not that hungry right now. I am going to wait to go home and have lunch. But her friend ordered this salad with chicken salad on top of it. And the person making that was going to give her extra. On top of it and not charge her extra and my one of my client has this thing with free food as to a lot of people and her friend said, no, no, no, I don't need more.

And here's the thought that went through my client's head. Oh, take it. I'll eat it. But the difference is she heard the illogical thought. She heard and she was like, Oh my God, I can't believe I thought that. But that's what she's listening for. And she didn't act on it because she knew she didn't even want that food.

But there was the perfect situation that triggered her

Julie Michelson: Right.

Lisa Goldberg: to think that thought. Right. And, and fortunately she did, you know what served her? She waited until she got home and ate what she [Page//00:12:00] wanted to eat when she was hungry.

Julie Michelson: Right. But because she wasn't on autopilot because you have her working on listening and hearing and then, you know, I, it's any awareness is always the first step to change always.

Lisa Goldberg: a hundred percent. Because we can't change what we, what we're not aware of.

Julie Michelson: Right, right. So, so it's so important. So how do, how does one, I mean, we did, I actually you just said, you know, step one is the listening.

Right. I mean, does it matter what the story is, did, um, you know, guessing you walk people through right. Their evolution and it really almost doesn't matter, you know, if it's free food, if it's, I was sharing my old, old patterns with, and I never, I never was never a yo yo dieter, but I got to watch one my entire life.

Um, and it does impact and I have a daughter of two sons and a daughter and my daughter is [Page//00:13:00] brilliant at. Pointing out when I say things about myself that she's like, well, that's not helpful to me. It's like, oh, thank you. You know, again, we're all human, right? I can help my clients day in and day out. Be aware and create those mindset shifts and, and change, make new patterns.

Um, but some of my old patterns are still in there.

Lisa Goldberg: I mean, so the beauty about the way you think is that you could change it. But first you have to notice that you, everybody has the ability to change their mind and their thinking. But like anything else, it takes work and effort. And more importantly, it takes practice because anything we want to good at become good at, we need to practice, you know, so it doesn't really matter.

You know, I always say with my clients, you know, how you're Story started is different, but the thinking is all the same.

Julie Michelson: [Page//00:14:00] Right.

Lisa Goldberg: Right? So some people might have a scarcity mindset where food was scarce growing up, and they're always afraid to be hungry, right? Some people it's it's it's a money connection. I have a client that I worked with where she always cleaned her plate.

Right, regardless of how full she was, she always cleaned her plate because so many of us are told that children are starving somewhere on some continent,

Julie Michelson: Yeah.

Lisa Goldberg: waste food.

Julie Michelson: our age were definitely told that. Yep.

Lisa Goldberg: So, um, you know, when I, you know, getting connected to her hunger and her satiety when she was eating, she was, and we created a strategy. She was out for dinner, she did what, you know, she took the coaching, she put her fork down, she was checking in with herself, she pushed the plate forward, she leaned back a little bit, and she heard the thought, but I paid for it. And [Page//00:15:00] that's how we got connected to, for her, it was the cleaning of the plate was, it's, I shouldn't waste my money, I don't want to waste food, but I paid for it, so this is how she was overfeeding her body.

Julie Michelson: Right. Isn't that amazing? Yeah, is. I, I have, um, my partner, so kudos to, to his parents, because I, I just, it was a new thing for me. We'll be eating dinner and he will, often it's because I, I'm not a member of the clean plate club. Um, I was actually the kid who I was skinny. So to me, like skinny is a mean word to call somebody because, you know, come to find out that I was celiac, but who knew I wasn't absorbing nutrients.

Um, I ate, I ate a lot as a kid. Um, but it was like a real emotional thing for people, you know, that they wanted to see me eat. I didn't have an [Page//00:16:00] eating disorder. I just wasn't absorbing nutrients. Um, but he says I'm satisfied, not I'm full, right? Like I grew up saying I'm full, I'm full, I'm full. And he's like, I'm satisfied.

And that was apparently just how he was raised. Um, and it's like, Oh my gosh, that's beautiful. I wish I had taught my kids that right. It's there. It shouldn't be like stuffed or empty. You know, there is no, I'm satisfied. Like, I love that.

Lisa Goldberg: Well, you know, part of part of it is and that is and that's exactly and you know, there's a couple things I want to say that first it's everybody has different messaging in their home growing up.

Julie Michelson: Sure.

Lisa Goldberg: So so many people who struggle with their weight look at other people who just put down their fork and they could have a couple of bites of something or maybe they have a couple of bites of dessert and then they're perfectly fine and they don't understand how people do that because https: otter.

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Right. So that your, your, your partner got different messaging than somebody else. Right. Then, you know, you who you're, if you're mommy or you're dieted, um, do you know what I mean? But it, but it's all it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and, and that's how we continue to see things. And what I've discovered in the work that I do is so many people have lost the connection between physical hunger.

And satiety, right? So there's the emotional hunger. There's habitual hunger, but then there's physical hunger. And if you're somebody who cleans the plate, then your brain only registers done when you're full, right? Not satisfied, right? We're satisfied. I use the word content with my clients, right? Like I'm

Julie Michelson: Love it. Yeah. Exactly.

Lisa Goldberg: right now and I'm good.

Julie Michelson: Yeah.

Lisa Goldberg: People have to get reacquainted [Page//00:18:00] with what satisfied and content is in their body. So they no longer overfeed their body, right? So a lot of the work that I do is to get my clients to eat when they're hungry, stop when they're content and, and, and not mindlessly eat. You know, and I say, like, I don't care if it's a bag of baby carrots, right?

If you eat a whole bag of baby carrots, a binge is a binge, whether

Julie Michelson: It's like when, when all of the, the low fat, you know, snack wells and all the, you know, I can eat a whole box now. And I'm like, wait, even, even back then I knew that that didn't make sense. Like, that's not,

Lisa Goldberg: Well, well, the truth is, you know, a lot of people blame the part of the obesity epidemic for the snack, but the snack, well, cookies, they

Julie Michelson: that well,

Lisa Goldberg: took all the fat out and added tons of sugar.

Julie Michelson: right, right. Yeah, but I don't, I don't blame and I actually, I do, I definitely think what we're eating, you know, if we're eating real food, [Page//00:19:00] or if we're eating the ultra process stuff, absolutely is part of what's driving not only the obesity epidemic, the autoimmune. I mean, all of it. Um, but if we can't change the patterns.

It's, it's, we're never going to win even with the, I mean, cause then people are just shifting from processed food to real food, but they're, they're still don't have the tools to, to feed themselves. Well.

Lisa Goldberg: Yeah, you know, so it's it's a matter of and what I what I find is especially people who struggle with their weight, they put themselves down, they have a way of speaking to themselves that they wouldn't speak to anybody else, nor would they allow somebody to speak to them that way. But themselves that way, and they put themselves down and a lot of times it's a self worth and self esteem issue.

And when it comes to lasting weight loss, it's a lack of belief in yourself because so many women, there's that little voice inside that says, you're not going to [Page//00:20:00] be able to really do it. And so many women don't believe because they work so hard at it that it can actually happen for them. And that belief leads to the self sabotage.

So that's typically when you talk about breaking patterns. That's the first pattern that needs to be broken is the belief system, right? Because it's a limiting belief and a limiting belief is, is obviously just what it says. It's something that limits you and your brain believes what you tell it the most.

So if you keep

Julie Michelson: So does your body.

Lisa Goldberg: I mean, it's, it's, it's really the truth. So if you keep thinking, I can't lose weight, it'll, it's never going to happen for me. You are going to do things and take actions and behaviors. That will undermine your efforts and oftentimes those start with the thoughts in your head. So part of this work in raising the awareness is actually asking yourself. Does that even make sense? Is that [Page//00:21:00] the truth? Because if you think about it 99. 9 percent of the thoughts when it comes to food and eating aren't the truth,

Julie Michelson: Right.

Lisa Goldberg: right? And the The way to break the pattern is to, and here's what I say to all my clients, what is it that you do? What are the habits and behaviors that you have that led you to being overweight and or caused you to regain the weight after you've lost it? Those are the patterns that need to be broken and changed and we need to create new healthy beliefs.

And patterns and I kind of call it a way of being. Some people call it a lifestyle, right? A lot of people know I need to make lifestyle changes. It's kind of like a big buzzword, but nobody knows exactly what exactly does.

Julie Michelson: mean? Right. Right. Yeah. Well, that's why I don't, I get the, even just the word diet [Page//00:22:00] is so loaded. I wish we had a better way of saying this is how I nourish my body. That was a little more condensed. That wasn't diet because to me and to so many, especially people that have been on that yo yo cycle diet means.

I'm restricted. And when I'm not on the diet, this is not how I eat. Right. And so I love that way of being or, you know, lifestyle, if you will, if you understand what lifestyle really means and not as the budget as the buzzword.

Lisa Goldberg: Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a new way of being around food and eating. Um, where you see food is just food.

Julie Michelson: Right.

Lisa Goldberg: So many people who are emotional leaders, especially see food as having this magical power to make all the bad stuff go away, all the bad feelings go away, the bad day go away, but truthfully, when you [Page//00:23:00] emotionally eat, which is typically what remote people are drawn to unhealthy food, right?

Um, it just fuels the bad feelings.

Julie Michelson: Sure. Sure. You're continuing that cycle because then after, after the fact, you have more bad feelings.

Lisa Goldberg: Right,

Julie Michelson: I know I always laugh. I have yet to come across anybody who, you know, their go to emotional food or a food connects. It's connected to a, perhaps a lost mom or, you know, a few, those kinds of wrap you in a blanket emotional foods.

It's never, you know, my mom made the best salad or

Lisa Goldberg: right.

Julie Michelson: even the steak I'm waiting for somebody to say, you know, nothing like a steak fresh off the grill to make me remember my happy childhood memories or, um, yeah, it's always something that does not serve us.

Lisa Goldberg: It's always the thing that doesn't serve you and here's the thing. So [Page//00:24:00] what I teach is people and I, I make them and there's some things I'm a stickler about and the words that you use matter because it's how it affects your brain and your thinking. So I try to get them to abolish the word treat and reward.

Julie Michelson: Yes.

Lisa Goldberg: I refer to it as an indulgence,

Julie Michelson: Love it.

Lisa Goldberg: all right? Indulgences feel more luxurious. So you get to indulge a couple times a week, whether it's some ice cream, but it's not the paint. It's a piece of chocolate cake, but it's not the whole cake. It's a cheeseburger and fries, and if you want to throw some bacon on it, whatever it is, it's an indulgence.

So an indulgence is really something that's high in fat and calories, but it tastes good and we love it. And so once or twice in a week, you can indulge yourself so you don't feel restricted or deprived, and you can lose weight and or maintain the weight that you've lost. I had a client lose 50 pounds over six months, [Page//00:25:00] and every weekend she went for ice cream with her family.

Julie Michelson: Love it.

Lisa Goldberg: But she

Julie Michelson: My clients are like, wait, Julie, doesn't let me eat ice cream different to only if you're dairy intolerant, totally

Lisa Goldberg: a lot of right. So it depends. So it really depends on what it's right. So, you know, if, if, if you are, you know, if you have a gluten issue, you're not gonna dive into a bag of pretzels.

Julie Michelson: Cause it'll make you feel sick. But, but I love that the, that indulgence, first of all, to me and, and, you know, treat sounds like, or reward, I earned it. I'm going to have like, get rid of all of that indulgence is just a conscious. Choice. I'm indulging. And, and I had actually, it's funny that the client and maybe because I think the patterns sometimes are a little different with men.

I have a client who in the beginning, it seemed like he was doing really well, but he was like a tiny bit here, a tiny bit there, a tiny bit [Page//00:26:00] here, a tiny bit there. And I finally was like, look, try like the, I just want. Really good. And then make a choice on the weekend to indulge in some, a choice, nothing sneaking a choice.

And it was just a very different, it was my, you know, first time with that, with a, with a man, um, where, and it took a shifted, I mean, it was everything. Cause he was, what it did for him was create that awareness that we always start with. But he somehow just wasn't connecting the dots.

Lisa Goldberg: Well, here's the interesting thing with men, because I work with men as well. And so they don't like to think of themselves as emotional eaters because men don't really think of themselves as being emotional. So they might say, you know, I stress eat, but you know, a lot of men have the same patterns in the same, you know, relationship with food based on something that they saw in their family.

Julie Michelson: they were still raised by whoever raised their sister.[Page//00:27:00] 

Lisa Goldberg: You're right. And so they do have those patterns, but they don't see it as a, as a, as emotional and, and especially because men, you know, are taught not to be emotional or discuss their emotions. Right? So, and, but they do, they're human, they have emotions. So men use food to stuff down those emotions because that's what emotional eaters do, right?

They stuff or distract from those feelings with food. It's how they cope. But when you say about sneaking, You know, when, when people are children, men or women, when they're children and they're worried about being judged, right? You said earlier, you know, people wanted to see you eat. And sometimes when people feel, you know, children feel like they're judged somehow for eating.

It's because they're eating something that somebody's telling them they shouldn't be eating. So as children, they sneak. But interestingly, as adults, when I hear a client say, you know, I snuck or something like that, I'm like, well, who are you sneaking from?

Julie Michelson: you're the one who's here doing the work.

Lisa Goldberg: Right, but here's the thing. They're [Page//00:28:00] sneaking from themselves. It's the pattern of behavior.

Julie Michelson: Right.

Lisa Goldberg: They feel like they're afraid to be judged, but they're the people, they're their own worst self judgers.

Julie Michelson: Always always. Yeah. I love that. You said that. I say that all the time. Like you're I call it the mean voice because I tend to find it's not usually nice. And it's the same thing. You would never speak to somebody else that way. You know, or like you pointed out, or let somebody speak to you that way. Yeah, yeah, I know it's, there's this whole world going on, I don't know, but it does all start with mindset and thought and whether we're talking about weight loss, which, you know, you have, it's such a gift for your clients that they, this is the real work.

It's not about the scale.

Lisa Goldberg: right.

Julie Michelson: It's not, and I don't believe that, that you can be. You know, very overweight and [Page//00:29:00] healthy. I know that that's like the new thing you're supposed to say you, you can, you can't physically, you may feel well for a while, but that's not healthy. Um, and it's not emotionally healthy or mentally healthy.

Lisa Goldberg: Yeah. Listen, I mean, there's a reason why people want to lose weight. They want to feel better. They want to feel better in their bodies. They want to have more energy. They want to feel more bright, vibrant. They want to live longer and they want to feel better about themselves. Right. And regardless of what you look like, if you feel better about yourself, you're more confident in yourself.

Julie Michelson: Yeah.

Lisa Goldberg: Right. And that's what people are striving for. But, you know, they're doing all of these quick fixes and it's just, and I, and I feel like it's more painful. to continue yo yo dieting than to take the long road, right? It is a marathon. It is not a sprint. So stop trying to sprint. And it takes a while to change your mindset [Page//00:30:00] and change your thinking and break these patterns, especially if you've been repeating these patterns for 20 plus years or more. You, you, you owe that to yourself.

Julie Michelson: the beautiful part that I see, cause I know I see it with my clients. You're changing generations by helping people shift their mindset, right? So, you know, for, for the people that you're working with that have children and even when they're older children, they still can see it. They may still need to unravel some of the, some of the stuff that they witnessed as younger kids.

But, um, when we can shift that. Where kids are growing up with a healthy relationship around their emotions and food like, Oh my gosh, that's powerful.

Lisa Goldberg: Yeah, I mean, actually, the clients that I work with, I am actually working with a client who has a younger daughter and, you know, just in doing this work, you know, people will speak about their children and [Page//00:31:00] mention their patterns and then I actually helped her break a pattern that the client was enabling her daughter to eat when maybe the daughter wasn't hungry.

But, you know. Long story short, like her, she would pick her up from, from school and, you know, you know, pick her up from like her, her, her soccer practice and bring food for her and be like, oh, you must be hungry and hand her food. Well, I'm like, well, stop doing that. If she's hungry, she'll ask you. She's old enough to be like, I'm hungry, you know.

And, and when she's doing that, her daughter just stopped, she, when she got home and she was hungry for dinner, she ate her dinner, but she realized she was perpetuating this because as a mother, God forbid, your kid's a little hungry, right? Your fear, like, you know, it's, it's, it's, it was her fear, like, what if my kid's hungry after that?

Julie Michelson: a Jewish mother,

Lisa Goldberg: Right. Exactly.

Julie Michelson: know, but we also, that is interesting. I am because we also tend to try to do it differently for our kids. Sometimes, sometimes we repeat the [Page//00:32:00] pattern and sometimes we'll do that. One 80, that's just as unhealthy, right. Instead of a don't eat or wait till dinner or it's like, here's food.

Here's food. Here's food, you know? So, yeah.

Lisa Goldberg: I mean, it should be a lot of it starts like when we're kids and if you have parents that ever said you can't leave the table until you finish your dinner or you can't have dessert unless you finish your dinner or take one more bite. You have to take one more bite or two more. Just finish your broccoli.

It's kind of like, you know, it's it's it's it's teaching people how to okay. Eat past beyond their satiety.

Julie Michelson: discount their signals from their body. It's the same as when I found out my oldest son was allergic to peas. Um, he never let, you know, it's the same as when you have a little one who can't verbally tell you and they're not, they, uh, they don't like certain foods. It's usually cause there's a sensitivity or an allergy or something and they [Page//00:33:00] know they just can't articulate it.

It's that same kind of thing within them. We're conditioned. To discount those signals of I'm I'm satisfied. I'm content. I'm satiated.

Lisa Goldberg: Yeah, I mean, and that, that's a, that's an operative word, conditioned. So many people are conditioned from a young age on how to eat and how to think. And that's why so many people struggle with their weight because they don't know how to change that conditioning on their own.

Julie Michelson: Right?

Lisa Goldberg: And that's where getting help and support to help draw out like, I know if my client wasn't doing this work, she would have never heard that thought in her head.

And she would have taken that her friend's extra chicken salad and neat net just because it was free.

Julie Michelson: Right.

Lisa Goldberg: Right. Probably would have regretted it after. Why did I eat that?

Julie Michelson: Empowering for her to now really know, Oh my gosh, this is a trigger. This is a pattern and I [Page//00:34:00] have control. I can make a different choice. It's it is so empowering.

Lisa Goldberg: Right. And here's the thing. So many women feel like, and probably even men, they have no control over the food. Like the food's calling me. I can't help my,

Julie Michelson: right,

Lisa Goldberg: you tell yourself, I can't help myself. Then of course, you're not going to be able to help yourself. But if you change the messaging, if you change the thought to, of course, I don't have to eat that I am not hungry.

And I, I would feel better losing some weight than eating that thing.

Julie Michelson: right. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So I want to share with listeners a little bit about how they can work with you, um, or get that support because the support is, I always say, and it's the same for what you do. It's, it's not that the information isn't out there, right? Someone can read your book, someone, but most of us.

Especially when it comes to changing mindset [Page//00:35:00] patterns, emotional patterns, messaging, the support is really helpful. There's nothing like actual human support. So how, how are you working with people? I

Lisa Goldberg: Yeah, I work with people both privately. I do one on one coaching and I have a group program called, what are you really hungry for? Because it's really about getting to underneath, like if you're eating, but you're not hungry, what are you really hungry for? Is it emotional? Is it habitual? Like what's going on for you?

So either way I work with clients, I do the mindset work. A lot of people like working in a community. Which is what makes the group so valuable, because, you know, when you, when you coach one, everybody else is nodding their head like that's me too, but you could find me at Lisa Goldberg nutrition. com where I talk about both of my, you know, group coaching program and my and my private program.

And, you know, it's, it's really about getting support because here's the thing, there is knowledge mastery and self mastery. So many people [Page//00:36:00] know what they should be doing. They have tons of information. They read books. They'll do like, you know, free challenges. They'll read the internet. So they know, they just don't know how to apply and implement it into their life consistently long enough to actually make the change.

And that's where the accountability and the support. And then even and getting the tools and the strategies come in for those long lasting results because ultimately, you know, I always say, I'm not just about helping you lose the way more importantly about helping you keep the weight off. Finally, once it's gone.

Julie Michelson: Right. That's the, that's the difference, right? And that's the, that's the gift. Amazing. So I, I can guess what you might say, um, but listeners are trained to listen for that one thing that they can do starting today to move the needle on their, I'll say health, wellness, weight loss, whatever. Those all tied [Page//00:37:00] together.

Lisa Goldberg: Okay. So what I'd say is, um, two things you could do or to listen to the thoughts in your head. When it comes to food and eating and if you were finding yourself opening the cabinet or or the refrigerator or you're driving past that, you know, fast food restaurant that you tend to go into all the time.

Ask yourself. Am I hungry? Am I thinking about food because I'm physically hungry, my body needs fuel, like I feel the hunger in my belly. If you are, go get something to eat. But if you're not physically hungry, like if you just ate an hour or an hour and a half ago or two hours ago, what's happening for you?

Why am I thinking about eating? Why am I feeling like eating? And listen to what you tell yourself about it. Listen to the story that you probably repeat over and over [Page//00:38:00] again. Alright, that's going to help you with your gaining awareness of are you eating for physical hunger or for something else? So, like microprogram is, what are you really hungry for?

Julie Michelson: I love it. What are you really hungry for? And that we can take that. Then once you master that, you can take it so far beyond food,

Lisa Goldberg: Exactly.

Julie Michelson: know, and it is, I, I love it's back to that empowerment. Um, because once we do get this knack of identifying our stories, those running stories and creating our new reality, um, It's kind of like, wow, I can't, I can't believe like that's been controlling me my whole life, you know, wow.

Um, so I love it. Amazing.

Lisa Goldberg: Your thoughts create your actions, so what you think you'll do, [Page//00:39:00] and your thoughts create your feelings. So if you're feeling a certain way, check in with what you're thinking, and if you don't like the way you're feeling, change the thought.

Julie Michelson: Yes. Amazing. Lisa, thank you so much. You have shared amazing gold with us today.

Lisa Goldberg: Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's just, the truth is Julie... I love having these conversations because so many people need to hear this and they need to recognize that there's nothing wrong with them, right?

Julie Michelson: love it.

Lisa Goldberg: Nothing's wrong with them. There's nothing wrong with you. You've just been conditioned to believe and behave in a certain way and it's changeable.

Just know that that's the truth.

Julie Michelson: Amazing. For everyone listening. Remember you can get the transcripts and show notes by visiting inspiredliving. show. I hope you enjoyed this episode as much as I did. There's a ton of value here. I'll see you next week. [Page//00:40:00]