Episode 41
Tim Jackson:
Two Reasons You May Still Not Feel Well
In this episode we talk about two underlying causes to illness that you might not have thought about, but that I see in so many of my clients. That is why in invited Dr. Tim to join us this week and talk about these important health challenges, and potential solutions.
First Aired on: Jun 27, 2022
Episode 41
Tim Jackson:
Two Reasons You May Still Not Feel Well
In this episode we talk about two underlying causes to illness that you might not have thought about, but that I see in so many of my clients. That is why in invited Dr. Tim to join us this week and talk about these important health challenges, and potential solutions.
First Aired on: Jun 27, 2022
Table of Contents:
In this episode:
In today's episode, Dr. Tim shares with us the top two challenges that may be blocking your healing, and ways we can address them.
Number 1:
Oxygen is the body's most important molecule. We have evolved into a more vertical jaw that is narrow and may lend to nocturnal hypoxia, or sleep apnea.
Snoring, feeling tired upon awakening, and acid reflux are all potential symptoms of sleep apnea.
Narrowing in the jaw may impinge on the trigeminal nerve, and in turn hinder the vagus nerve, making it more difficult to get into the parasympathetic state, which is our healing state.
Going to a specialist to get proper jaw alignment and widening to correct structure can be essential.
Number 2:
Mycotoxins!!
Mold is the most common activator of the cell danger response in mitochondria, greatly impacting the brain and the heart.
Non-native EMF's activate mycotoxins and newer, airtight, homes exacerbate the problem.
Most species of mold you can't see with the human eye. So you may have mycotoxin exposure and not know it!
All mycotoxins negatively impact the immune system.
The more bizarre the symptoms, the more systems involved, the more likely mycotoxins are at play.
If you are stuck in a sympathetic state, mycotoxins may be at play.
Dr. Tim gives us tips and tricks to clean up our homes and protect our environments; from getting your air ducts cleaned...to using quality air filters.
The one step he recommends for listeners to start today...breathe through your nose for 20-30 minutes a day.
Number 1:
Oxygen is the body's most important molecule. We have evolved into a more vertical jaw that is narrow and may lend to nocturnal hypoxia, or sleep apnea.
Snoring, feeling tired upon awakening, and acid reflux are all potential symptoms of sleep apnea.
Narrowing in the jaw may impinge on the trigeminal nerve, and in turn hinder the vagus nerve, making it more difficult to get into the parasympathetic state, which is our healing state.
Going to a specialist to get proper jaw alignment and widening to correct structure can be essential.
Number 2:
Mycotoxins!!
Mold is the most common activator of the cell danger response in mitochondria, greatly impacting the brain and the heart.
Non-native EMF's activate mycotoxins and newer, airtight, homes exacerbate the problem.
Most species of mold you can't see with the human eye. So you may have mycotoxin exposure and not know it!
All mycotoxins negatively impact the immune system.
The more bizarre the symptoms, the more systems involved, the more likely mycotoxins are at play.
If you are stuck in a sympathetic state, mycotoxins may be at play.
Dr. Tim gives us tips and tricks to clean up our homes and protect our environments; from getting your air ducts cleaned...to using quality air filters.
The one step he recommends for listeners to start today...breathe through your nose for 20-30 minutes a day.
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Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Julie Michelson: Welcome back to the inspired living with auto-immunity podcast. I'm your host, Julie Michaelson. And today I'm joined by Dr. Tim Jackson. Dr. Tim is a doctor of physical therapy and orthopedic rehabilitation and a functional medicine provider. He holds a BS degree in health science and chemistry from wake forest university.
[00:00:53] And he serves his clients in over 15 countries through his telehealth practice and heal your [00:01:00] body.org, where he's helped thousands over the past eight years. Our conversation today is about the two reasons you may still feel unwell. We're talking about the all-important oxygen and mycotoxin toxicity, join us to learn how they may be playing a role in your symptoms and what you can do about it.
[00:01:21] Dr. Tim, welcome to the podcast.
[00:01:24] Dr. Tim Jackson: Thanks so much for having me, Julie. I really appreciate it.
[00:01:28] Julie Michelson: So you have an interesting story that got you into this world of functional medicine. Interesting in that to me, from where I see. You're brilliant. Because so many people come on the podcast and for most of us, it was, you know, our healing journey, but a lot of the docs that, you know, they, they started down the allopathic road and then figured out that that wasn't serving them or their patients the way they wanted to.
[00:01:56] So share a little bit of your story with us. How did [00:02:00] you get to functional medicine? How did this become an interesting.
[00:02:04] Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. So I went to undergrad with the intentions of becoming a traditional allopathic medical doctor. And while an undergrad, I started exercising, got interested in nutrition, started eating healthier, and I did a lot of preceptorships and volunteer work at the wake forest university school of medicine.
[00:02:24] And you know, one of the residents pulled me aside one day and he said, you know, clearly you're smart enough to go to an MD program. You're probably better off just getting a ticket to play the game. He said, just get a doctorate in something in healthcare. And so that was my first motivation. And my second motivation was I had.
[00:02:43] Very horrific jaw surgery, my senior year and undergrad, and that caused a lot of things that my body had been able to control and suppress. They started to surface. And so I had, you know, severe [00:03:00] candida overgrowth, heavy metal toxicity. I've had Lyme, I've had the Basie and Bartonella mold toxicity.
[00:03:09] And so, you know, it each sort of added a layer. To my healing journey.
[00:03:14] Julie Michelson: Absolutely. I'm familiar with the multilayer healing journey for sure. And so, wow. So you just early on, then you realized that. Allopathic medical training. Wasn't going to kind of feed you with the knowledge in those areas.
[00:03:32] Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. And I mean, you know, I could turn my head and, you know, just pretend not to listen for four years, but then if you have to do a residency after that, you know, you can't practice the way you want to.
[00:03:44] And if you do, you get slapped on the risk or risks and you know, it's just not a pretty picture. So.
[00:03:52] Julie Michelson: Well, kudos to you. I, I, oh, you know, you're an early adopter in that who didn't see the need to [00:04:00] take the wrong path to begin with. And I know that you've made such a contribution in this space. And so, you know, lucky for everybody that, that you just knew which direction to
[00:04:11] Dr. Tim Jackson: go in.
[00:04:12] Thank you so much. So
[00:04:14] Julie Michelson: I want to talk about this, you know, two reasons you still don't feel well. Let's get into what are these two areas of health that are blocking healing for people?
[00:04:28] Dr. Tim Jackson: So one, you know, most people think of our gludethyon as the body's most important molecule. And it's extremely important as an antioxidant, but the most critical substance for our entire bodies is oxygen.
[00:04:44] And so if we don't breathe correctly, You know, then we're not every cell in our body is going to be starved and all the functions that are supposed to take place, biochemically, physiologically, they won't occur. And so [00:05:00] over the past several generations and even centuries, you know, we've become more vertical growers, meaning our skulls grow vertically and you need some of that, but you also need to grow horizontally.
[00:05:14] And so your maximum. It should be wider than your mandible. And when it's not, that's concept is called centric relations where they'd take the lower jaw, the mandible, and they bring it up in. But when you do that, it reduces the real estate for your tongue. And so then you start to have difficulty breathing during the day, but also at night.
[00:05:45] And sometimes, I mean, you can get a true sleep study where you have to go into the hospital done, but the best sleep study you can get a ring that you wear on your thumb and your. And so this [00:06:00] is a little bit different than the aura ring. This is specifically for sleep studies, but it gives you all the data that you need without being woken up.
[00:06:09] And that will tell you right there, if you're even borderline hypoxic. And so a lot of people think that, you know, you have to be obese or overweight to have issues with breathing, but I mean, that can certainly exacerbate it, but you can be extremely thin and lean. And have airway issues. And so the three hallmark signs are number one, snoring, number two, lack of feeling rested upon awakening and three acid reflux.
[00:06:46] Julie Michelson: The
[00:06:46] Dr. Tim Jackson: trifecta. And one of the, I mean, so everyone knows oxygen is important for the body, but the other thing to remember is that the nerve that feeds the face, the trigeminal nerve has three [00:07:00] branches. It sends information to the same nucleus in the spinal column as the Vegas. And the Vegas nerve, when we activate it, it increases our parasympathetic tone.
[00:07:15] Parasympathetic portion of the autonomic nervous system is rest and digest or feed. And. And so all healing takes place in a parasympathetic state. And when you have a trigeminal nerve, that's impinged upon because of jaw TMJ issues, jaw misalignment, then your autonomic nervous system can never function optimally or even.
[00:07:42] Julie Michelson: Which is so amazing. I saw, I didn't really know where you were going to go with our interview today and I'm so excited because so far you've already given such amazing gold. I've had people say, well, I went in for a sleep study and they didn't find anything. And I'm like, well, did you sleep? [00:08:00] No.
[00:08:01] Okay, well, let's do a home sleep study then, and I can tell you those three things, the snoring, and oftentimes, especially if somebody lives alone, I'll hear. No, I don't snore fine. If you don't think you snore or your partner, doesn't complain that you snore. That's fine. Almost everybody I asked, you know, do you feel rested when you wake up the answers?
[00:08:26] Now? Of course it's not right. You're not getting enough oxygen. And the acid reflux. So common, I can tell you that everybody I've sent that we've sent in for a sleep study or ordered a sleep study for has had some form of apnea to some degree. And I love that, you know, what is more important than oxygen?
[00:08:49] Dr. Tim Jackson: Nothing, absolutely nothing. And so everything from cognition to anxiety or increased anxiety [00:09:00] trouble with blood pressure and hypertension arrhythmias. You know cerebral ischemia or lack of blood flow to the brain, all of that is impacted by your jaw alignment. And so you know, early, you want to intervene as early as possible, but at the same time, it's never too late.
[00:09:21] And so you know, the first appliance I have people get brings the mandible down in full. And then the second one usually happens about 18 months later that helps expand the maxilla, the upper jaw. And so, you know, the, one of the dentists I collaborate with who helped develop the device when he's lecturing to other dentists, the first thing he tells them, especially the orthodontist is forget about the teeth.
[00:09:51] Teeth are always going to be secondary to an airway. Mm.
[00:09:56] Julie Michelson: And I remember as a kid, you, you [00:10:00] can see me for those listening on audio. Maybe you've not ever seen me. But I have a narrow face. It's not a mystery. If you look at me, probably can guess I can probably use that. Not that I have apnea at this time, but it doesn't matter.
[00:10:12] But I remember as a kid, yeah. I'm older than you. So this, you know, the devices back then were not as kind or, you know, technologically advanced as they are now. But I remember being so grateful that I didn't quote, unquote, need a pallet expander. I had some friends with the pallet expanse. Now, here I am in my fifties thinking, wow, it would have been so good if they had given me a pallet expander back then, because I, I have no idea or no.
[00:10:45] Yeah. I have no question. If I were to head to an orthodontist right now, they would be like, wow, we need to open your job.
[00:10:54] Dr. Tim Jackson: So my colleague who sold his dental practice at the age of 47, went back [00:11:00] into the entire residency and airway health you know, orthodontist when they put people in braces. It's kind of the analogy he gives is it's like a dermatology.
[00:11:10] Who goes to inject filler until your nasal labial folds. And they see a melanoma that they inject anyways, that would be malpractice. And that's what orthodontists are doing when they bring the jaw up and back. That is reducing the real estate for your tongue and that's bad.
[00:11:31] Julie Michelson: Yeah, it's definitely not good.
[00:11:34] So when with the, the patients you're treating and the people that you're seeing, I mean, can there be apnea with a proper structured.
[00:11:45] Dr. Tim Jackson: So it's theoretically possible, but it's extremely unlikely. Okay. And so, you know, we have to remember that optimal is very different than quote unquote normal. And so like the person you [00:12:00] mentioned who said the sleep study didn't show anything, you know, they never.
[00:12:04] You know, unless it's just your O two SATs go down to like 60, but everything below that, you know, you're actually at more risk because you're not getting treatment and you're going to have hypertension. You never get deep sleep, so you never can detoxify because if you think about it, if you get chased by a tiger, that's stressful to your nervous system.
[00:12:26] What if you choke on 25, 35 times a night? Sure. And if you look at the people who are the best athletes in the world and the people we consider the most attractive, they have wide maximum. Yep.
[00:12:41] Julie Michelson: Absolutely. And we have not evolved away from that.
[00:12:45] Dr. Tim Jackson: No,
[00:12:48] Julie Michelson: that's fascinating. I love that. So that's number one.
[00:12:51] Oxygen.
[00:12:53] Dr. Tim Jackson: Yes. Mycotoxins yeah, mold colleague [00:13:00] firsthand and may Dr. Shoemaker's book, mold warriors back in 2009. And, you know, I've evolved the way I address mold and mycotoxins, you know, over that time, but mycotoxins literally disrupt every function in your body because your mitochondria that produce energy. And we have to remember that we need energy for digestion to think, not just to run or jump.
[00:13:25] And so the mitochondria, they can either be in a state where they produce energy or in a defensive mode. And that defensive mode is referred to as the cell danger response and mold is probably the most common activator of the cell danger response. And so when the mitochondria aren't producing enough energy, the brain and the heart will be impacted the most because they consume the most.
[00:13:57] Julie Michelson: Which people don't think of, like you said, it's like [00:14:00] this, not about running it's about running your systems.
[00:14:04] Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. And you know, a lot of the mitochondrial supplements, you know, you might think would be stimulating and keep you up. But you know, sleep is a very energy dependent process. So if your mitochondria are working better, you should sleep.
[00:14:20] Julie Michelson: Absolutely. I actually do a lot to try to support my mitochondria and I was just making my little supplement packs for the next week or so yesterday. And, and thinking about that because people don't, you know, there'll be like, what? Isn't that for energy? And I'm like, well, it's for cellular energy. And I, I need that as somebody with.
[00:14:41] Less than optimal detox pathways. I joke, I call myself a collector. You know, I want to make sure that the systems are running the best they can while I'm sleeping. For sure.
[00:14:54] Dr. Tim Jackson: And that's why a lot of people who start taking supplements or doing therapies and [00:15:00] treatments to improve their sailor energy production, they feel like they're reacting negatively to the therapy.
[00:15:06] But in reality, when you start to increase mitochondrial energy output, you're going to start to detoxify your immune system. It's going to go after path.
[00:15:17] Julie Michelson: Well, cause it can, it has the resources, all of a sudden to do it. Let's dig in a little bit. Let let's talk about mycotoxins one or, you know, how are we getting exposed?
[00:15:27] Why is this such a gem? You already touched on why it's such a problem for our bodies. Why are the numbers of, you know, mycotoxin illness or so many people are actually walking around ill and have no idea that that's one of the drivers what what's going on? Why are we so exposed?
[00:15:47] Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah, so mycotoxins themselves, technically, aren't the problem.
[00:15:52] So if you went to the Amazon forest, you're going to be exposed to dozens of types of mold and mycotoxins, but it won't [00:16:00] bother you most likely. And that's because you know, here, especially in the United States, buildings now are built to be more energy efficient, so you don't get a good exchange of indoor and outdoor air.
[00:16:12] And when you get one or two mycotoxins inside, And there's not a good air exchange. Those mycotoxins start to proliferate and it's just like the bacteria in your gut. You can have too much of one genus or species, and that will push out the other good species. And so, you know, we have to be mindful of that.
[00:16:34] The other thing is non-native EMF electromagnetic fields that makes the mold feel like it's being attacked. And when they feel like they're being attacked, they produced more mycotoxins
[00:16:50] Julie Michelson: ah, that I did not now. And that makes me sometimes I think people, even people in [00:17:00] functional medicine kind of look at me like I'm over the top.
[00:17:02] And so I'm thrilled for all the little things that I try to do to mitigate. Obviously we're on computers right now, you know, but any little place, you know, I shut my wifi and my routers off at night. I try to limit my exposure. Again, I live on this planet in this time. I'm not avoiding exposure but I had no idea about that.
[00:17:26] And that makes perfect sense.
[00:17:28] Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah, Dr. Klinghardt was the one who showed that many years ago.
[00:17:32] Julie Michelson: Got combo, right. I live in a newer home and that's that? I'm so glad you touched on that. But as people say that to me all the time, oh, I can't have Micah and mold exposure. I live in a new home and I'm like, oh, you live in a new air, tight.
[00:17:49] But that makes, I mean, so think of we're in our homes and then we've already created a problem. Hey, if it's a newer home, an older homes have their own problems because they're flooded with [00:18:00] mycotoxins for different reasons. And then we're throwing those EMS in there constantly.
[00:18:05] Dr. Tim Jackson: And if you think about it, when they put a new home op or a new apartment or condo bill, You know, they've put the framework up and they may not come back to that job site for two or three weeks.
[00:18:16] In the meantime, you know, it's going to rain multiple times, so you're already starting off with a foundation and a framework that's conducive to mold.
[00:18:26] Julie Michelson: Absolutely. I drove my GC crazy on this job. And again, I don't care. I'm like, that's fine. It's my home. You all can think. You know, I remember even with the, not that this is direct real, but it is it's about being controlling where you can the electrician basically literally called me crazy because I said I just wanted incandescent lights in the house and well, we don't, we don't do that anymore.
[00:18:51] I'm like, well, that's you do here though? Cause this is what I want. Yeah. Yeah. So it, it [00:19:00] is, it is such a widespread problem I want to touch on. So people think of mold in the home and, and I think a lot of people still to this day think visible black mold, right. Mold that they know they have. And they've been ignoring.
[00:19:17] Tell us a little more about. You know, you just touched on, right. It can be in the, it, it could even be in the framing. But how common is it that, that people have mold that they're not even aware of?
[00:19:31] Dr. Tim Jackson: I don't think there's been more than one person. I've tested in the past seven or eight years who didn't have an extreme amount of micro-toxins and sometimes so when you do these tests, you have to provoke the microtoxins.
[00:19:49] Right? So something like an infrared sauna session. Some liposomal, glutathione, or even go to a clinic and get a glutathione push. But these [00:20:00] micro-toxins you know, they're extremely dangerous because, you know, with homes, like you said, we think of black mold and people say, oh, I don't have black mold.
[00:20:10] You know, there's no visible mold, but most species of mold, you can't see what the human. Right. And
[00:20:17] Julie Michelson: the mold isn't, what's making you sick anyway, that's the kicker.
[00:20:22] Dr. Tim Jackson: Right? And so the mold you know, Can produce mycotoxin is it can and does produce mycotoxins and you know, the different types of mold one that I'll mention this very common aspergillus and all one common thread that all mycotoxins have is they negatively impact the immune system and they do other things.
[00:20:46] They blocked mitochondrial health, they blocked the NRF two pathway. So detoxification is blocked. They slow down, you know, the mitochondria, so that's going to affect the heart, the brain. [00:21:00] And so I've had patients and clients who own multi-million dollar homes and, you know, they think that it can't have mold because the house costs a lot, but the mold didn't get that memo.
[00:21:12] The mold doesn't know anything about that. And so. Yeah. You know, I'm personally more focused on the health of a home, you know, and putting the right structures in the right place. Because right now the court systems and most states don't recognize mold as a problem. And so in total, contractors are held liable.
[00:21:34] We won't be able to get better structured.
[00:21:39] Julie Michelson: That is so, so true. So how, how can most of my listeners have been diagnosed with auto-immunity or they, they think they have it, or they have a loved one who has. And they may not have ever even explored the micro toxin pathway and where other toxins which [00:22:00] is a shame.
[00:22:01] And that goes back to allopathic medicine, not taking the same approach that we do. But how do we know, like, how do we know if we have these issues?
[00:22:11] Dr. Tim Jackson: So I would say the more systems and bizarre. So the more systems involved in the more bizarre symptoms you have, and you need a test for mold, but mold, it can be a direct contributor or an indirect contributor.
[00:22:27] But it's certainly worth testing, especially if you've lived in the Southeastern United States, but even in the Northeast and Midwest, because you have increased precipitation without a. And so that can seep into the foundation. And so I think it's worth doing a urine mycotoxin tests. There's several labs that offer them.
[00:22:53] You just want to make sure you provoke the microtoxins and then you address them slowly. [00:23:00] So if you've been taking. You know, a high quality probiotic and you haven't noticed a difference. It could be because Michael talks. So when I see mycotoxins, that changes the order in which I do everything.
[00:23:12] Because if you don't address those first taking a probiotic and things like that, it won't hurt you, but you won't really receive the.
[00:23:21] Julie Michelson: That is such amazing advice. And the one thing I want to highlight that you said the more symptoms and the more bizarre, the more systems involved and the more bizarre the symptoms is I try not to be one of those people that sees mycotoxins everywhere, but like you said, I've never had, that's not true.
[00:23:40] I have one client whose panel was beautiful and it wasn't just, mycotoxins all of her toxins and it was promoting. And I said, I was like, I was jumping, like, how did you know how? And she lives in Texas. I was like, how, how can this be? And she laughed. She goes, I've been working on this for 20 years.
[00:23:59] It's, you [00:24:00] know, it should be clean. She was, she was proud, but other, so literally that's one person, everybody else that I've tested. Definitely, you know, has above acceptable levels of micro-toxins and they're definitely playing a role. But even here in Colorado, which is, you know, supposed to be so dry when I moved here 20 years ago, I remember we were, we had a house we put under contract and we wanted a mold inspection and they were like, and of course we were coming from south Florida.
[00:24:33] So. But literally, they said like, you know, this is Colorado. We don't have mold here. And no, not true. We do. Right. And you and I are, we're talking about our homes, but it can be your workplace, your, the school, you know, so many of our schools are older and moldy. So it doesn't have to be in your home with [00:25:00] some of us, people like me.
[00:25:02] It could be, it could be a past exposure that you're just, you're not clear.
[00:25:07] Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. So when I get someone's urine, mycotoxins results back. You know, if they're elevated, I tell them, I can't say how you know that 70% of this is due to your current home, 20% due to your former office. So we need to make sure that those things are clear because otherwise we're just treading water and wasting resources.
[00:25:28] We only want to start to detoxify when we make. The re-exposure is not constantly happening. And the second thing that can happen with mycotoxins is they colonize different areas of the body. So you may not be getting exposed anymore, but if they colonized, like in the paranasal sinuses, which is extremely common, they're basically using the pituitary gland as a punching bag, you know, so that affects hormonal production and affects many, many areas of the body.[00:26:00]
[00:26:01] Julie Michelson: Which, you know, then, then the hormones run, everything else. Much Don, I want to highlight you use probiotic as the example. If we're taking supplements and they're not doing any good, is that one of the indicators of like, Hmm,
[00:26:17] Dr. Tim Jackson: that and sympathetic dominance. So you know, we talked about the job.
[00:26:23] And how that influences parasympathetic versus sympathetic dominance. But if you're in a fight or flight state, it's very hard to detoxify, to heal, you know, to have any restorative sort of functions take place.
[00:26:42] Julie Michelson: Well, okay. So that's a lot. And, and I don't, I, you know, this is the inspired living podcast, right?
[00:26:49] We don't, I don't want people to feel overwhelmed, hopeless, and depressed. What can we do? What are, what are some steps we can take? I know you said test,
[00:26:58] Dr. Tim Jackson: you know, [00:27:00] Beyond this. So, you know, if you already have a house that's built on number one you want at the very minimum, you want to have the air ducts cleaned twice a year.
[00:27:11] Okay. So that's something that regardless of whether you have mold or you don't because the mold could have colonized in the air ducks. And so when you have a home testing company come out, you want to make sure that they use multiple testing methods, air sampling, like the little dishes, Petri dishes you get at Lowe's and home Depot.
[00:27:30] They're accurate for massive, massive quantities of mold, but you can still have a positive home or building or office or car. And you know, it not show up on an air sample. And so having a camera that can look behind the walls for increased condensation and down into the duct work is extremely important.
[00:27:55] And so that's one thing. Number two something that's [00:28:00] pretty inexpensive and that works very well. Is a product called home bias. And it's a probiotic for the air. I have no affiliation with the company. But I like to inform people about great products. And at the very least, you know, it's not a huge investment, so you're not going to be wasting a bunch of money.
[00:28:19] But behind me, and I also have no affiliation with this company, but the air dock. You know, I've used multiple types of high-end air filters and the air doctor is now a cost-effective for almost everyone. And it filters down to, I think it's 0.0, zero nine microns. And so it has the ultra HEPA plus carbon filter.
[00:28:41] So that's one thing people can do in addition to having a duct works clean and number two, make sure the humidity indoors never exceeds 50%.
[00:28:54] Julie Michelson: That's and the people living in Florida are going, what a question for you about getting your [00:29:00] air ducts cleaned? Do you need to hire somebody specific or can, is that safe for, you know, I think of things going airborne, right? So are most companies, are they doing it the right way or do we need to, does it need to be some kind of specialized remediation
[00:29:19] Dr. Tim Jackson: company?
[00:29:20] So I would think you would want to seal off the vents. You know, I'm admittedly not an expert on a duct work, but year sorry. No, no, that's okay. I would think you would definitely want to seal off the vents, you know, while they're being claimed. And then you know, depending on the size of your home in general, the air doctor covers about 900 square feet.
[00:29:43] So two story homes gonna need at least two. And some of the other, if you want a different brand, it's always better to get multiple small air filters than one huge air filter. Yeah.
[00:29:54] Julie Michelson: This is amazing advice. So important, really so important. My, my [00:30:00] daughter, literally yesterday, she had been on a trip.
[00:30:03] She has her own apartment and has been traveling a lot she's between graduation and grad school. And. She noticed it's the third trip in a row where she gets home and she tanks she's inflamed. She doesn't feel well. And I said, I bet it's the apartment. And she said, you know, my air filter has been running.
[00:30:26] She has a, a high-end air filters. It's also very good. I would say no, can hold its own with air doctor. And she said it literally. It's just, you know, she knows there's something in her apartment and she's about to move out of that apartment. Although she's moving to Scotland where she'll be living in something hundreds of years old.
[00:30:47] So
[00:30:49] Dr. Tim Jackson: hopefully
[00:30:49] Julie Michelson: she can get an air doctor over there. But she was able to even just, you know, a feel it and then be, be like, yeah. And my air filter agrees. It is [00:31:00] just trying to get this stuff out of the air.
[00:31:02] Dr. Tim Jackson: Absolutely. And you know, one thing I would tell people is that, you know, if you have a family wa one or two people in the family may have no central.
[00:31:13] The other family members they both may have, or all three may have severe symptoms, but they may all be different. So for one person it can be brain fog and cognition, one person insomnia and mood swings, another person just overall fatigue and malaise. So don't rule out mold based on that.
[00:31:37] Julie Michelson: Yeah. You name it.
[00:31:39] Somebody said to me, you know, well, what are the symptoms? And I was like, Are you free all day? You know, I mean, literally I can't think of one thing that couldn't possibly be connected to. So do you. What's your approach. Do you have every in my programs, everybody that comes to me, because again, they're [00:32:00] already dealing with chronic health issues.
[00:32:03] We test, we always test. But, but what about you, what's your kind of criteria or how, how do you handle that with
[00:32:10] Dr. Tim Jackson: people? So I usually start with the organic acids test from great Plains laboratory. Cause there's a few markers about four or five markers on there that can indicate several types of mold.
[00:32:22] And if that's positive, I'll usually do the urine mycotoxins tests and people say, well, why do you do that test? It's not going to change things, but actually it does because the molecular weight of each mycotoxin is slightly. Therefore the binders have to be customized. And so I would love to have a blanket recommendation, but you know, we want to rule out that you're not still being exposed on a daily basis, then we want to make sure your bowels are moving and then start binding up the mold.
[00:32:57] Julie Michelson: I love that you send that. You [00:33:00] guys, you're not going to heal if you're continually being exposed. I just, I've never seen anybody be able to clear and I love that you brought up, you know, bowel motility. People tend to look at me like I'm crazy. I'm like, it's a detox pathway. People like it's, you know, and.
[00:33:19] That's another area where what you may think, what normal for you is isn't necessarily optimal. I mean, I have had grown adults come to me and tell me, oh no, their GI system is great. Their bowel movements are normal. And then I find out they're having like two a week. Like, no, that's not.
[00:33:41] Dr. Tim Jackson: Exactly. And you know, one thing I'll say is that it, you know, if you go to an environmental medicine doctor or clinic to get treated for mold, one of the first things they do is an oxygen concentrator. And so that gets back to my first point about the jaw. I mean, that's supplemental [00:34:00] oxygen can be very good.
[00:34:01] You know, they have the oxygen bars and everything. You can get home units, but you want to make sure that you're able to breathe properly first.
[00:34:10] Julie Michelson: I love that because again, we need oxygen and we're, if we're trying to correct systems that are off oxygen depleted to begin with, it's an uphill battle, a battle that we are
[00:34:23] Dr. Tim Jackson: going to lose.
[00:34:24] Yes, absolutely. And one point I wanted to make is that a lot of times people hear mold toxicity and they sort of think that's the same thing as a mold allergy, you can have both. But mold toxicity is a separate issue. It's the bioaccumulation of mycotoxins over a period of time on allergy would be an allergic IgE mediated response to mycotoxins.
[00:34:52] Julie Michelson: I'm so glad that you brought that up. It's it's definitely, and again, from what I've seen, that mycotoxin [00:35:00] toxicity is almost always, and if not, mycotoxins. Some, whether it's environmental or metals it's almost always one of the players. And as you said, it can exacerbate symptoms or trigger symptoms from something else mycotoxins and lime, you know, those are dirty players together and very common.
[00:35:21] Dr. Tim Jackson: I'll give your listeners and you a tip I'll save you about 10 to $20,000. You won't get the metals out, even with culation until you get the mycotoxins. Ah, there you have nothing to do with the molecular weight. Got to go
[00:35:37] Julie Michelson: after those mycotoxins first. So the, for those, and I see it all the time. Oh, well my doctor ran a heavy metal status.
[00:35:44] I did a, you know, they did a challenged and I'm like just heavy metals. Why? Why just
[00:35:52] Dr. Tim Jackson: so heavy metals could be under biofilms. Yeah.
[00:35:57] Julie Michelson: Th this is been probably a [00:36:00] lot for listeners to digest you on. No, it's fantastic. It's, it's so key. And again, these are things I literally, I see day in and day out in my practice.
[00:36:11] And I had no idea what the answer to the two things was going to be. And so I am so excited that it, it is both of those. Between the apnea and the mycotoxins it's literally almost every time we test that's, that's definitely an issue. So that is amazing. What is one step who's? We just gave like a ton, but what's one step listeners, whether they know they don't know.
[00:36:42] What's one thing everybody listening can do today to start to move their health in the right direction.
[00:36:48] Dr. Tim Jackson: Start breathing only through your nose, even if it is just an hour, a day, or even I start with 20 to 30 minutes a day. Both inhale [00:37:00] and exhale through your nose. Now, the caveat is you have to have nasal patency, which means that, you know, on nostrils are dilated at essentially or wide enough.
[00:37:11] And so if you don't have that or you have microtoxins that have colonized the paranasal sinuses, you won't be able to do that. So you'll have to go and address that first, but I think it's certainly. Starting a program where you try to breathe consciously 20 to 30 minutes a day and build on that, that will calm the autonomic nervous system.
[00:37:33] And for listeners underneath your diaphragm, you have a lot of parasympathetic fibers. So that's why deep diaphragmatic breathing helps to balance the nervous.
[00:37:48] Julie Michelson: Well, and I know I'm supposed to wrap it there, but I have to follow it. One more question, mouth taping. Are you a fan? If somebody has handled all the other things so you're talking about breathing through [00:38:00] your nose.
[00:38:01] Are you, is that something you think is a good idea?
[00:38:05] Dr. Tim Jackson: So most people, even without a sleep study, you know, after my colleague taught me this stuff you start looking at people differently and you can say, yeah, that person has an airway issue. And so you have to, you know, establish the nasal patency first because if you go and just start taping the mouth and you know, you can't, it's like breathing through a coffee store.
[00:38:28] Versus a garden hose. So yeah, I mean, I think that's a mouth taping can be good, but if you have to bring it through your mouth structure in place and absolutely .
[00:38:40] Julie Michelson: Amazing. Dr. Tim, where's the best place for listeners to find you, we're going to include all your links in the show notes, but for those that are listening on the go, where can they find out more about you?
[00:38:52] Dr. Tim Jackson: Yeah. So my website is healyourbody.org, and it'll be in the show notes as well. And I'd like to [00:39:00] offer your listeners 10% discount on an initial consultation,
[00:39:05] Julie Michelson: which is amazing. And the link to that discount will also be in show notes. You can use code Julie24 for that, and I encourage you to check out Dr. Tim. Book a consult. See what he can do for you,
[00:39:19] Dr. Tim, thank you so much. You have shared so many amazing tips with us today.
[00:39:24] Dr. Tim Jackson: Thank you so much. And thank you for the work that you're doing
[00:39:28] Julie Michelson: for everyone listening. Remember you can get the show notes and transcripts by visiting inspired living.show. I hope you had a great time and enjoyed this episode as much as I did.
[00:39:38] I'll see you next week.
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Dr. Tim Jackson is a Doctor of Physical Therapy and Orthopedic Rehabilitation, and a Functional Medicine provider. He holds a B.S. Degree in Health Science and Chemistry from Wake Forest University. He serves clients in over 15 countries through his telehealth practice at www.healyourbody.org and has helped thousands over the last 8 years.
Dr. Jackson is the creator of the “The Heal Your Hormones” bootcamp for neurosurgeon Dr. Jack Kruse’s membership community and has contributed to the book “Diagnostic Testing and Functional Medicine” by Ameer Rosic. He has been featured in The Huffington Post, the “Bulletproof Executive” and “Ben Greenfield Fitness” podcasts, on multiple health and medical summits, and in two health documentaries.
He also serves on the medical advisory board for Wellness Mama, a site with several million annual visitors. Dr. Jackson is available to comment on various functional medicine and wellness-related topics such as digestive health, energy and fatigue, autoi
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